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COVID-19 vaccine certificates ‘to be expected’ as part of pandemic, Trudeau says​


While there is no definitive answer on whether Canada will mandate COVID-19 vaccination certificates, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says they are "naturally to be expected" as part of the pandemic.

As was the case pre-pandemic, certificates of vaccination are a part of international travel to certain regions and are naturally to be expected when it comes to this pandemic and the coronavirus," Trudeau said on Tuesday.

"How we actually roll that out in alignment with partners and allies around the world is something that we're working on right now to co-ordinate."


 

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Or just CYA so we have a better lifestyle?

"Given that China and India produce 80 per cent of the active ingredients of prescription drugs sold in North America, supply disruptions are expected eventually, Duffin said."
 
Interesting take on things. We are all going to die of something. It may be cancer, pneumonia, a car accident, drowning. In each of these cases there may be a pre-existing medical condition prior to the death. No matter what the pre_existing condition is, the death is the direct result of some outside influence. In the cases you speak of it is Covid. Who knows how much longer they would have lived prior to developing Covid. It doesn't really matter, Covid killed them.

Sure- but in a vast majority of these cases of covid deaths in younger people, the overriding theme is obesity, extreme in a lot of cases. These body types are also higher risk for virtually every other ailment known to man. When a 300 lb obese man or woman dies of a heart attack at 55, no one gives a ****. They chalk it up to bad eating, overweight, lazy etc. The death certificate says bad heart, but lifetime of bad habits is really what killed them prematurely. When the same person (round mound of rebound) dies of covid at 55, everyone screams covid killed them! It's a huge story for the media to propagate. Anyone with an ounce of logic can see that most all truly healthy people survive and thrive after contracting covid. Sure there are outliers to support everyone's anxiety but the true risk of severe illness does not warrant any of the ******** rules that are being enforced. If the government wanted everyone to live as long as possible they could mandate exercise, give away free vegetables, ban smoking, ban sugar, ban vaping, ban booze. Why don't they? Because all these other forms of dying prematurely are socially acceptable.. Ya ya ya I've said it all before but new round of stay at home orders have got me fired up!

 
Interesting take on things. We are all going to die of something. It may be cancer, pneumonia, a car accident, drowning. In each of these cases there may be a pre-existing medical condition prior to the death. No matter what the pre_existing condition is, the death is the direct result of some outside influence. In the cases you speak of it is Covid. Who knows how much longer they would have lived prior to developing Covid. It doesn't really matter, Covid killed them.
That is an interesting take on things as well. Do you honestly believe that covid really did kill them? Perhaps lack of medical attention and cancellation of surgeries could have been a bigger factor. Death by 'covid' is the convenient answer, makes the headlines and fits the agenda.
 
“Anyone with an ounce of logic can see that most all truly healthy people survive and thrive after contracting covid

I’ll be sure to pass that on to my friend’s (who was a 41 year old triathlete from Phoenix) widow
 
“Anyone with an ounce of logic can see that most all truly healthy people survive and thrive after contracting covid

I’ll be sure to pass that on to my friend’s (who was a 41 year old triathlete from Phoenix) widow
I also have a friend that was near death. Healthy, athletic, runner, not obese, no underlying issues. Was in ICU for a week intubated before turning the corner. He had a zoom meeting with his family before they sedated him. They thought they were saying goodbye. It was touch and go for him. Back home now but nowhere near his original healthy self. It will be a long haul for him. I am not justifying the governments attempts to bring this thing under control. I don't see any reason for them to inflate numbers however.
 
I think it's true that the overwhelming majority of healthy people will do fine during and after contracting covid, particularly if they get a low viral load and it doesn't aggressively establish itself at a level their innate immune response can handle.

But for sure some really healthy people get smoked by it. Whether that's due to an unknown genetic factor, or it's straight viral load/exposure severity, I don't think anybody really knows yet.

I know a few guys working on the problem but I have yet to see a single concrete conclusion out of any of them, although our group chat often has pretty interesting points being made about stuff they do know. My sense is that for sure, low dose exposure is likely to be much less risky and may actually be the best thing for young people simply because they should develop a broad immune memory for similar viral infections and MAY turn out to be more resistant to variants than people vaccinated with mRNA vaccines, which are extremely narrowly targeted.

But guaranteeing low dose exposure is tricky, of course. It's why I support keeping most stuff open, but limiting occupancy and wearing masks when indoors or if you have to be in dense outdoor crowds for whatever reason. It doesn't eliminate exposure but it reduces it, and for a lot of people, that'll be enough. If I were 80, I'd be more cautious; if I were 20, I'd be less. Still, I think that getting low level exposure as a young person might actually be desirable. My guess is that if you could look at the details of the handful of young people that have died, as tragic as that is, you would likely see major comorbidities like type one diabetes, and maybe reason to suspect high exposure, like staying indoors with a large family, so lots of opportunities for contagion. That's a recipe for disaster. Young people have aggressive innate immunity but less acquired immunity - they're two different systems in your body - and their innate systems seem in MOST cases to be coping really well. But you can overwhelm any system with a big enough assault, and a sytem that's not functioning as well as it should because of other health issues would be easier to overwhelm also, of course.
 

COVID-19 vaccine certificates ‘to be expected’ as part of pandemic, Trudeau says​


While there is no definitive answer on whether Canada will mandate COVID-19 vaccination certificates, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says they are "naturally to be expected" as part of the pandemic.

As was the case pre-pandemic, certificates of vaccination are a part of international travel to certain regions and are naturally to be expected when it comes to this pandemic and the coronavirus," Trudeau said on Tuesday.

"How we actually roll that out in alignment with partners and allies around the world is something that we're working on right now to co-ordinate."


Good, I don't want unvaccinated people to travel, catch a new variant of COVID and bring it home. How is this offensive?
 
Good, I don't want unvaccinated people to travel, catch a new variant of COVID and bring it home. How is this offensive?
I’m old enough to remember the little green vaccination cards we had as elementary school kids. Proof of measles, mumps and rubella vaccinations. No card, no enrolment in school. Where were all the snowflakes back then? Nowhere. Because common sense was an actual thing.
 
I’m old enough to remember the little green vaccination cards we had as elementary school kids. Proof of measles, mumps and rubella vaccinations. No card, no enrolment in school. Where were all the snowflakes back then? Nowhere. Because common sense was an actual thing.

If you go with a covid passport you bloody well should add an MMR to the list. Most out our outbreaks of measles in the last 10 years were a result of imported cases combined with low vaccinated community's.
 
When asked by the appropriate authority you must produce a:
Drivers license,
Fishing license,
PCOC
Hunting license,
Trades tickets,
Healthcare card,
Valid ID,
No one has a problem with any of that but ask for proof of vaccinations suddenly it’s the end of the world. Ridiculous isn’t a strong enough word to describe it.
 

COVID-19 vaccine certificates ‘to be expected’ as part of pandemic, Trudeau says​


While there is no definitive answer on whether Canada will mandate COVID-19 vaccination certificates, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says they are "naturally to be expected" as part of the pandemic.

As was the case pre-pandemic, certificates of vaccination are a part of international travel to certain regions and are naturally to be expected when it comes to this pandemic and the coronavirus," Trudeau said on Tuesday.

"How we actually roll that out in alignment with partners and allies around the world is something that we're working on right now to co-ordinate."


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Someone was sitting at his laptop with a tumbler of Alberta Premium and making guesses about this a few weeks back. Although based on the polls I'm currently seeing I don't know about the CPC taking power again in that time frame.

But I would bank on some Quebec company getting an absolutely massive contract to create this system, with our state media cheering them on.
 
When asked by the appropriate authority you must produce a:
Drivers license,
Fishing license,
PCOC
Hunting license,
Trades tickets,
Healthcare card,
Valid ID,
No one has a problem with any of that but ask for proof of vaccinations suddenly it’s the end of the world. Ridiculous isn’t a strong enough word to describe it.
The big difference between the above documents and a “ vaccine certificate “ is that you can obtain them without being forced to do a medical procedure .
 
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Someone was sitting at his laptop with a tumbler of Alberta Premium and making guesses about this a few weeks back. Although based on the polls I'm currently seeing I don't know about the CPC taking power again in that time frame.

But I would bank on some Quebec company getting an absolutely massive contract to create this system, with our state media cheering them on.

Maybe it will be IBM as they did such a great job with Phoenix pay.......
 
When asked by the appropriate authority you must produce a:
Drivers license,
Fishing license,
PCOC
Hunting license,
Trades tickets,
Healthcare card,
Valid ID,
No one has a problem with any of that but ask for proof of vaccinations suddenly it’s the end of the world. Ridiculous isn’t a strong enough word to describe it.

Agree.
 
Here is my concern with requiring vaccinations: what happens when we get down to people under 30, say? What about under 20? Do we still require the vaccine? What's the cutoff?

The reason I ask is that at present we don't really know if it's going to turn out that the narrow acquired immunity offered by the mRNA vaccines will ultimately prove to be as good as the innate immune response in young people. But if you give them that acquired immunity, you run the risk of their bodies preferentially deploying that specific immune response against variants...even if it stops working against those variants.

My understanding is that the mRNA vaccines have been coded to attack the spike protein that we've all heard about and that works very well, at the moment...but it doesn't have to. And by vaccinating billions of people during a pandemic, you essentially create a giant system to apply selective pressure to the virus, as well as staggering numbers of copies floating around out there to mutate. If you wanted to drive a type of mutation that helped the virus avoid the acquired immune response conferred by the vaccine, this is pretty much the perfect way to do it.

Those mutations may not happen to a degree that generates dire consequences but that would be luck. The evolution of the new strains we're seeing is exactly this process taking place and so far it's hard to say what the results will be but scientifically, from a viral evolution perspective, there's no reason to think that the virus CAN'T evolve such that the spike protein that the mRNA vaccines recognize, is still present, but no longer a vulnerability.

If that happens, there's a huge problem: if you've primed the immune systems of young people to respond with that particular acquired immunity, their innate immunity which is a general system that attacks anything it doesn't recognize, won't engage. Only the now-useless acquired immune response will. The thing that currently makes young people safe, would be gone.

That's a whole lot of "if" and none of that may ultimately take place and there may turn out to be reasons it's not a likely outcome, but scientifically, that's valid. It's a real possibility.

So my concern about vaccine passports is: what if they drive young people to get a form of immunity that ultimately turns out to be worse than the one they currently have? To me that's a pretty serious problem and it's another factor in why, although I fully intend to get the AZ vaccine when I can, I would be a lot more hesitant to vaccinate my kid until after the pandemic phase is over and the whole world isn't a giant viral lab generating new strains. India alone must be germ warfare central right now in terms of sheer numbers of mutations occurring...it's totally possible that narrowly targeted vaccination programs in that environment are going to drive something even worse. It's real-time gain-of-function research being carried out in a totally uncontrolled way.

Gain of function research, incidentally, being exactly the research done at the Wuhan lab on bat coronaviruses that used to be really terrible at jumping to humans, and even worse at transmitting from human to human. So there is a genuine risk here.

I'm not at all anti-vaccine, but this situation is complicated and the problem with vaccine passports is that is starts with the conclusion: you should definitely be vaccinated, now, with the vaccines available. We don't actually know if that's going to turn out to be true and I have serious concerns about restricting the freedoms of people who could conceivably turn out to have been right not to get vaccinated under these specific circumstances. They could be wrong, but I have a real problem with forcing people to undergo a procedure that modifies their immune system in the midst of a global outbreak on this scale, which is something that we've literally never done before and don't know what the consequences are.
 
Booked my vaccine for next Monday. My wife woke up with a sore throat yesterday so we are waiting to get the test result back. It prompted me to book my vaccine but hopefully all is good.

EDIT: My wifes test just came back negative. That is a huge relief! I did not want to have to quarantine. Still going to get my shot. I'm 34 years old but I have 6 or 7 hospital jobs so I'm considered a Health Care Contracted Staff Member.
 
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“Anyone with an ounce of logic can see that most all truly healthy people survive and thrive after contracting covid

I’ll be sure to pass that on to my friend’s (who was a 41 year old triathlete from Phoenix) widow

I did say there are outliers, I guess you conveniently forgot to read that part? You don't make huge management decisions on anything in this world by giving a lot of merit to unlikely events. Please see the rollout of Astra and J&J shots which have been linked to strokes and death. Rare but they do happen. Does that mean we should cancel the vaccine for everyone? Or have a nuanced approach considering the cost/benefit which is unique to each individual.
 
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