Seabass, they went 22, 20, 17, 13, 12 and 6 pounds. The 2 largest were whites the others reds. The bite was the best this year, went on for an hour and a half and rods went off as fast as you could get them down. Apparently today was slow, so did they move on or take a day off after a big day yesterday? Out tomorrow so hope to prove they are still around! I still need a 40+ this summer, still hope for a couple weeks yet.
WCVI ...doom and gloom or just late?
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Derby
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The lastest counts:
OBSERVATIONS:
Stamp falls counting facility has been fully operational since September 2.
During the past 9 days Chinook adult numbers have ranged from 320 to 914. Coho adults have
ranged from 234 to 925 and Sockeye adults have ranged from 33 to 841. Total escapement
through Stamp Falls to September 22 is 10,436 Chinook, 12,874 Coho and 32,468 Sockeye.
Sockeye escapement through both Great Central Lake and Sproat Lake counters requires
further analysis at this time. No additional data is available at present.
Stamp Falls enumeration has been fully operational so far with no shut downs.
River flows have increased over the past few days and are above average for this time of year.
River temperature has cooled to 15oC and is below recent years average.
2010 EXPECTATIONS:
Sockeye: For 2010, the initial forecast return of Somass sockeye was 600,000. The
escapement target for this run size is 371,000, giving an expected surplus of 229,000 sockeye
available for catch. Expected stock composition was about 57% Great Central, 43% Sproat
sockeye. Expected age composition was about 55%, 35%, 9%, and 1% for age 42, 52, 53 and 63
adults, respectively.
Chinook: Approximately 43,000 Somass Chinook are forecast to return to Barkley Sound and
Alberni Inlet in 2010. The predicted adult age composition is 27%, 41% and 32% of 3, 4 and 5-
year olds, respectively. Given the age composition, about 33,800 spawners are required to
meet the 57.2M egg target for the system. Therefore, about 9,000 Somass Chinook are
available for harvest in the ‘terminal fishery’ from Alberni Inlet seaward to Barkley Sound.
Coho: For the 2007 brood year, 415,000 coho smolts plus an additional 227,000 unfed fry were
released from the Robertson Creek Hatchery and there were about 38,000 natural spawners.
Given the forecast survival rate of Robertson Creek/Somass Coho for the 2007 brood year is
low at less than 1%, the total expected return to Somass system is about 10,000 to 15,000.
However, there is considerable uncertainty in the survival rate forecast, and models predicting
the survival rate of the wild WCVI coho indicator (Carnation Creek) are much higher (e.g.
~10%).
Chum: Pre-season forecasts for chum returns are highly uncertain. Over the last few years,
returns of WCVI chum have been well below long-term averages and this trend is expected to
continue in 2010.
PROGRAM OVERVIEW:
Fish counting operations on the Somass system are run by the Hupacasath First Nation in
collaboration with DFO.
To estimate the escapement of Somass Sockeye, automatic fish counters are installed at the
Sproat and Great Central fishways in mid-May. Twice weekly visual calibrations are used to
validate counter data as well as to determine species and age (jacks versus adult) composition
of escapement. A portion of the Sockeye escapement is biologically sampled at the fishways.
Of interest are age at return, *** ratio and fecundity. For Henderson Sockeye, escapement is
estimated through a series of swim surveys of the main spawning habitat (Clemens Creek and
nearby beach habitat). These surveys are conducted in September and October.
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Counters are removed from the Great Central fishway in early September when Chinook begin
to migrate upstream. After this, all salmon passing through the Stamp Falls fishway are counted
by trained and experienced observers. They identify fish to species, estimate the portion of
jacks by relative size and estimate the portion of marked (adipose fin clipped) fish. Migration
through the fishway is videotaped for later verification of daytime real-time counts and species
identification and for enumeration of night-time migration. Real-time observations are typically
greater than 95% accurate for counts, species identification and mark rate.
Below, are a series of figures that express 2010 escapement observations relative to average
escapement timing from 1999 to 2009 for Chinook and Coho. Although informative, in some
years observed escapement rate relative to average escapement timing may be a poor
indication of final run abundance. In contrast to ‘run timing’, (the return of Chinook/Coho to
Alberni Inlet) escapement timing tends to be more variable. It is influenced by the impact of
fisheries and environmental conditions, such as river temperature or flow.
OBSERVATIONS:
Stamp falls counting facility has been fully operational since September 2.
During the past 9 days Chinook adult numbers have ranged from 320 to 914. Coho adults have
ranged from 234 to 925 and Sockeye adults have ranged from 33 to 841. Total escapement
through Stamp Falls to September 22 is 10,436 Chinook, 12,874 Coho and 32,468 Sockeye.
Sockeye escapement through both Great Central Lake and Sproat Lake counters requires
further analysis at this time. No additional data is available at present.
Stamp Falls enumeration has been fully operational so far with no shut downs.
River flows have increased over the past few days and are above average for this time of year.
River temperature has cooled to 15oC and is below recent years average.
2010 EXPECTATIONS:
Sockeye: For 2010, the initial forecast return of Somass sockeye was 600,000. The
escapement target for this run size is 371,000, giving an expected surplus of 229,000 sockeye
available for catch. Expected stock composition was about 57% Great Central, 43% Sproat
sockeye. Expected age composition was about 55%, 35%, 9%, and 1% for age 42, 52, 53 and 63
adults, respectively.
Chinook: Approximately 43,000 Somass Chinook are forecast to return to Barkley Sound and
Alberni Inlet in 2010. The predicted adult age composition is 27%, 41% and 32% of 3, 4 and 5-
year olds, respectively. Given the age composition, about 33,800 spawners are required to
meet the 57.2M egg target for the system. Therefore, about 9,000 Somass Chinook are
available for harvest in the ‘terminal fishery’ from Alberni Inlet seaward to Barkley Sound.
Coho: For the 2007 brood year, 415,000 coho smolts plus an additional 227,000 unfed fry were
released from the Robertson Creek Hatchery and there were about 38,000 natural spawners.
Given the forecast survival rate of Robertson Creek/Somass Coho for the 2007 brood year is
low at less than 1%, the total expected return to Somass system is about 10,000 to 15,000.
However, there is considerable uncertainty in the survival rate forecast, and models predicting
the survival rate of the wild WCVI coho indicator (Carnation Creek) are much higher (e.g.
~10%).
Chum: Pre-season forecasts for chum returns are highly uncertain. Over the last few years,
returns of WCVI chum have been well below long-term averages and this trend is expected to
continue in 2010.
PROGRAM OVERVIEW:
Fish counting operations on the Somass system are run by the Hupacasath First Nation in
collaboration with DFO.
To estimate the escapement of Somass Sockeye, automatic fish counters are installed at the
Sproat and Great Central fishways in mid-May. Twice weekly visual calibrations are used to
validate counter data as well as to determine species and age (jacks versus adult) composition
of escapement. A portion of the Sockeye escapement is biologically sampled at the fishways.
Of interest are age at return, *** ratio and fecundity. For Henderson Sockeye, escapement is
estimated through a series of swim surveys of the main spawning habitat (Clemens Creek and
nearby beach habitat). These surveys are conducted in September and October.
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Counters are removed from the Great Central fishway in early September when Chinook begin
to migrate upstream. After this, all salmon passing through the Stamp Falls fishway are counted
by trained and experienced observers. They identify fish to species, estimate the portion of
jacks by relative size and estimate the portion of marked (adipose fin clipped) fish. Migration
through the fishway is videotaped for later verification of daytime real-time counts and species
identification and for enumeration of night-time migration. Real-time observations are typically
greater than 95% accurate for counts, species identification and mark rate.
Below, are a series of figures that express 2010 escapement observations relative to average
escapement timing from 1999 to 2009 for Chinook and Coho. Although informative, in some
years observed escapement rate relative to average escapement timing may be a poor
indication of final run abundance. In contrast to ‘run timing’, (the return of Chinook/Coho to
Alberni Inlet) escapement timing tends to be more variable. It is influenced by the impact of
fisheries and environmental conditions, such as river temperature or flow.
the fog ducker
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the fog ducker
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lol
Wife Comfy..[
)],,, wont complain , with the super slideout ,like a little condo in there
thx... Next year perhaps... ..
Felix..
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Wife Comfy..[
)],,, wont complain , with the super slideout ,like a little condo in therethx... Next year perhaps... ..
Felix..
thefogducker@hotmail.com
scott craven
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Try the vancouver forum...
Derby
Crew Member
OBSERVATIONS:
Stamp falls counting facility has been fully operational since September 2.
During the past 9 days Chinook adult numbers have ranged from 323 to 844. Coho adults have
ranged from 168 to 390 and Sockeye adults have ranged from 2 to 37. Total escapement
through Stamp Falls to October 12 is 21,873 Chinook, 20,387 Coho and 32,895 Sockeye.
Sockeye escapement through both Great Central Lake and Sproat Lake counters requires
further analysis at this time. No additional data is available at present.
Stamp Falls enumeration has been fully operational so far with no shut downs.
River flows have risen and are above average for this time of year. River temperature has
dropped to 13oC and is below recent years average.
Stamp falls counting facility has been fully operational since September 2.
During the past 9 days Chinook adult numbers have ranged from 323 to 844. Coho adults have
ranged from 168 to 390 and Sockeye adults have ranged from 2 to 37. Total escapement
through Stamp Falls to October 12 is 21,873 Chinook, 20,387 Coho and 32,895 Sockeye.
Sockeye escapement through both Great Central Lake and Sproat Lake counters requires
further analysis at this time. No additional data is available at present.
Stamp Falls enumeration has been fully operational so far with no shut downs.
River flows have risen and are above average for this time of year. River temperature has
dropped to 13oC and is below recent years average.
IronNoggin
Well-Known Member
Nope, not NEARLY "Good Enough". [V]
Minimal escapement required is ~ 34,000. The Dino has literally screwed them again. Dammit! [xx(]
Nog
Charter Tofino
Well-Known Member
Nog i was hoping to sit and have a chat with you, bob cole and a few others in the near future in regards to this. Are you around in nov? Ill shoot an E soon.
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scottyboy
Guest
43000 forcast i.e expected f...ing [)]
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haggardscove
Member
Dogbreath is correct, it could be a lot worse. Is the escapement where it should be? No, its not even close. However looking at it through a "glass half full". The counts are suppose to peak on/or about 10/10 every year. That means we should come close to the 34,000 Chinooks needed for minimum escapement.
drhook
Active Member
Very accurate point 'Fishtofino'! And to add to that, I believe that is the very reason why we all 'feel' the runs are becoming later an later each season. ALL of the early runs are decimated to the point where as recreational anglers with our couple rods out there, we are having a tougher and tougher time catching any salmon.
Derby
Crew Member
As OF Oct 21,2010
OBSERVATIONS:
Stamp falls counting facility has been fully operational since September 2.
During the past 9 days Chinook adult numbers have ranged from 177 to 373. Coho adults have ranged from 22 to 85 and Sockeye adults have ranged from 1 to 6. Total escapement through Stamp Falls to October 21 is 24,272 Chinook, 20,735 Coho and 32,916 Sockeye. Sockeye escapement through both Great Central Lake and Sproat Lake counters requires further analysis at this time. No additional data is available at present.
Stamp Falls enumeration has been fully operational so far with no shut downs.
River flows have risen and are above average for this time of year. River temperature has dropped to 12oC and is below recent years average.
2010 EXPECTATIONS:
Sockeye: For 2010, the initial forecast return of Somass sockeye was 600,000. The
OBSERVATIONS:
Stamp falls counting facility has been fully operational since September 2.
During the past 9 days Chinook adult numbers have ranged from 177 to 373. Coho adults have ranged from 22 to 85 and Sockeye adults have ranged from 1 to 6. Total escapement through Stamp Falls to October 21 is 24,272 Chinook, 20,735 Coho and 32,916 Sockeye. Sockeye escapement through both Great Central Lake and Sproat Lake counters requires further analysis at this time. No additional data is available at present.
Stamp Falls enumeration has been fully operational so far with no shut downs.
River flows have risen and are above average for this time of year. River temperature has dropped to 12oC and is below recent years average.
2010 EXPECTATIONS:
Sockeye: For 2010, the initial forecast return of Somass sockeye was 600,000. The
Derby
Crew Member
Somass River Escapement Bulletin
Observations to Oct 27th, 2010
OBSERVATIONS:
Stamp falls counting facility has been fully operational since September 2.
During the past 6 days Chinook adult numbers have ranged from 56 to 348. Coho adults have ranged from 15 to 40 and Sockeye adults have ranged from 0 to 2. Total daytime escapement through Stamp Falls to October 27th is 24,750 Chinook, 20,809 Coho and 32,920 Sockeye. Sockeye escapement through both Great Central Lake and Sproat Lake counters requires further analysis at this time. No additional data is available at present.
Stamp Falls enumeration was shut down between October 24th and October 26th due to high water levels and turbidity, with counts resuming on October 27th.
River flows have risen and are above average for this time of year. River temperature has dropped to 10oC and is below recent year’s average.
Observations to Oct 27th, 2010
OBSERVATIONS:
Stamp falls counting facility has been fully operational since September 2.
During the past 6 days Chinook adult numbers have ranged from 56 to 348. Coho adults have ranged from 15 to 40 and Sockeye adults have ranged from 0 to 2. Total daytime escapement through Stamp Falls to October 27th is 24,750 Chinook, 20,809 Coho and 32,920 Sockeye. Sockeye escapement through both Great Central Lake and Sproat Lake counters requires further analysis at this time. No additional data is available at present.
Stamp Falls enumeration was shut down between October 24th and October 26th due to high water levels and turbidity, with counts resuming on October 27th.
River flows have risen and are above average for this time of year. River temperature has dropped to 10oC and is below recent year’s average.
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