New Study Finds a Modest Carbon Tax Would Hurt All Humanity for Two Generations

[islandboy]

All this and we’re still ignoring it? How come?

Perhaps because CC has been going on for millenia. Humans have been here for a blink of evolution, our science for a millisecond.
Just because we can see CC, record CC, and understand only a very small part of CC does not mean we can truly influence it.

 

[agentaqua]

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Mahatma Gandhi

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 – 1860)

 

[agentaqua]

I can't see where anyone would think we should repeat this process willingly, irresponsibly, blindly:

Worst mass extinction event in Earth’s history was caused by global warming analogous to current climate crisis
https://news.mongabay.com/2019/01/w...-warming-analogous-to-current-climate-crisis/

Biggest mass extinction caused by global warming leaving ocean animals gasping for breath
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/12/181206141225.htm

The 'great dying': rapid warming caused largest extinction event ever, report says
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/06/global-warming-extinction-report-the-great-dying

The Planet Has Seen Sudden Warming Before. It Wiped Out Almost Everything.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/07/science/climate-change-mass-extinction.html

How does climate change cause extinction?
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rspb.2012.1890

 

[ReelSlim]

WOW! All this posting of informative information must really cut into your fishing time? lol

 

[IronNoggin]

Agentaqua takes the Cut & Paste Championship of The Day!!!

No-one really thinks that the climate isn't changing IMO.
What is still questionable is the extent or level to which we two-legs influence that.
True to nature, some are so arrogant in their beliefs that everything revolves around us, they then conclude that we MUST be the main underlying causal agent.
Others believe we have influence to varying degrees.

Wasn't really the point of my post though.
Pierre's Idiot Child & Climate Barbie's Carbon Tax will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to counter what is occurring.
They even admit it themselves.
So therefore in the name of yet more virtue signaling, they increase the cost of living for every single person in Canada.
Disgusting.

Nog

 

[walleyes]

Agentaqua takes the Cut & Paste Championship of The Day!!!

No-one really thinks that the climate isn't changing IMO.
What is still questionable is the extent or level to which we two-legs influence that.
True to nature, some are so arrogant in their beliefs that everything revolves around us, they then conclude that we MUST be the main underlying causal agent.
Others believe we have influence to varying degrees.

Wasn't really the point of my post though.
Pierre's Idiot Child & Climate Barbie's Carbon Tax will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to counter what is occurring.
They even admit it themselves.
So therefore in the name of yet more virtue signaling, they increase the cost of living for every single person in Canada.
Disgusting.

Nog

Perfect.

 

[halimark]

Was there not a recent data release that Trudeau stopping more oil tanker traffic exports from northern BC and Canada to China and the likes has added more carbon than any amounts of his tax will reduce. Those coal fired black belching carbon emitters will now continue. Who thinks China will shut them down, not have electricity and save the planet? =Trudeau does.

Was there not 2 miles of ice/glaciers from the arctic to the Can/US border, what made it melt? Neanderthal Man?? I still think its a natural planet thing, possibly sped up by our use of fossil fuel. I am part of the problem, I love to use my boat, truck, atv, even lawnmower, weed eater and leaf blower, and will not stop. Those that are seriously concerned and want to do something other than try and stop me should lead by example and STOP.

I DO know that Mr Trudeau's tax grab will NOT stop it, but lots are fooled into thinking it will, as long as they vote for him he cares NOT.

HM

 

[agentaqua]

Good points about China, Halimark - and we are going the other direction from glaciation - very rapidly.

I find it unfortunate yet predictable that those whom still wish to disbelieve the actual Science and the implications of that Science now claim that they have too much information available to them.

I also find it strange but yet again predictable that some individuals within the sector that I would expect to be good at seeing patterns - fishermen - instead refuse to accept the causes and implications of those observations. Did you not see the water temps going up - the glaciers retreating - droughts, fires and weather intensifying - species ranges shifting?

People up North have been seeing these changes and connections for years now - no deniers there. I guess there are inept fishermen too - I don't think I'll be following their lack of logic anytime soon. I think it's time to ignore the religion and PR machinery of the deniers.

Oh ya - and we will run out of cheap and easily-accessible oil & gas at sometime in the next generation perhaps - and run out of our current reserves fairly soon after that. Guess we should ignore that reality, too?

 

[wildmanyeah]

And how much of my income do you need to fix it?

 

[agentaqua]

Renewable energy is a job maker. We will run out of oil and gas supplies in the quantities that we now enjoy in a generation or 2 or earlier - and we won't be able to do what we do currently wrt hydrocarbons - full stop.

It is a no-brainer to say we need to develop renewable energy sources as quickly as we can. It is illogical & irresponsible to resist that transformation - or the reality of climate change.

I would recommend to those few deniers/complainers to actually read a few of those posted links rather than complaining about too much information & take advantage of the information presented on this thread.

 

[wildmanyeah]

So if they don’t need money form me and it will create jobs. What’s the issue? And what’s the need for a carbon tax

 

[agentaqua]

Alberta town aims to be first in Canada to rely solely on solar panels
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/raymond-solar-panels-net-zero-1.5190933?

 

[islandboy]

Alberta town aims to be first in Canada to rely solely on solar panels
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/raymond-solar-panels-net-zero-1.5190933?

Will that be enough to feed the 'Zuckerbuck' cryptocurrency craze?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/yoavvi...cryptocurrencies-and-blockchain/#563919be797a

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...tricity-fuels-a-crypto-mining-boom-in-caracas

 

[agentaqua]

Renewable Energy Job Boom Creates Economic Opportunity As Coal Industry Slumps
https://www.forbes.com/sites/energy...rtunity-as-coal-industry-slumps/#2852a5973665

Solar-energy jobs are growing 12 times as fast as the US economy
https://www.businessinsider.com/solar-energy-job-growth-2017-1

Clean energy is building a new American workforce
https://www.edf.org/energy/clean-energy-jobs

Renewable energy is Canada's giant employment opportunity
https://www.theweathernetwork.com/n...nergy-present-opportunities-for-us-all/115772

Where are the renewable energy jobs?
http://www.greenenergyfutures.ca/episode/renewable-energy-jobs

Renewable Energy Job Listings
https://www.bcsea.org/renewable-energy-job-listings

 

[wildmanyeah]

Guess all I have to do is sit back and it will happen. Few I was getting worried for a second

 

[walleyes]

That’s all a left wing nut bag pipe dream, the know it and anybody with a reasonable brain knows it, hence why the left hasn’t grasped it yet.

You and I will die of old age all this renewable BS won’t be 1/4 of what they are predicting. The markets can’t handle it, the economies can’t handle it, it’s generations off. Mankind as we know it will cease to exist before its attainable.

 

[SpringVelocity]

I was in solar industry for years. Solar has is is place but you guys seem to suggest it is the answer.

Pv panel manufacturing is complicated process and puts very heavy demand on resources. Same as batteries.

Then there is also the energy that is dumped as heat from a panel. Not as efficient as many think.

Out here tidal and wind energy is what I would be aiming for.

We are so far away from getting anything close to replace oil yet.

Look at electric cars. We don't have enough power to even charge them if everyone went electric. Great ideas but years away...

 

[agentaqua]

Personally, I don't think any 1 renewable resource is "the answer" on it's own. I think we need a diverse portfolio, instead - with as many different options as we can manage to develop. Each one has pros & cons - together there is more resiliency & capacity.

Solar only really works where there is sun (obviously). So not all areas & site-specific locations work. Wind - same thing. There are some areas & locations that are suitable - others not as much. Hydro has issues esp. with big megaprojects. Run-of-the-river projects often have less issues than dams - but also produce less power on their own. Electrical distribution can also be an issue and expense. Nuclear has pros and cons too.

I don't think there is a "perfect" option - but rather dependent upon where one is in this country - there are better options than others. None of these problems are necessarily insurmountable.

Yes - as you stated SV - it'll be some years to develop them - so we should be on it already because we will run out of oil and gas - full stop. That conversation is sorely lacking in our media and politics due to corruption and collusion, IMHO. That's the reality and legacy we are leaving our kids and their kids along with the legacy of global warming/climate change. I don't think we should ignore these realities.

We should have been more actively developing alternative energy sources many years ago & ignoring the denier PR machine.

 

[dradons]

I think it is absurd that people think we can't do two things at the same time. Seems like a no brainer to me to invest in new technologies and start the process of relying less on carbon-based energy sources. Hint, the conservative carbon tax plan (it is a tax called by another name which attempts to just that).

 

[agentaqua]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...e-clearing-the-air-on-the-b-c-coast-1.5184139
Electricity and water do mix: How electric ships are clearing the air on the B.C. coast