More on Pollution...

quote:Originally posted by LastChance

480,000 is a lot less then 14 million....

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yes it is. It is what it is. It's all in the process of learning. I spent some time here on this forum in getting it right, and learned as I was doing so. I shared this with others on this forum.

I am looking for accuracy and truth here, and I don't mind being helped in that quest by a combination of technology (computers, the web, and this forum) and other contributors (i.e. yourself, sockeyefry and others).

This is why we need dissenting voices to be heard, as well. We all have something to offer.

On the specifics of what this equivalent population number means; take into consideration that the 2008 Population Estimate for the Mount Waddington Regional District (the Broughton's incl. Alert Bay, Port Alice, Port Hardy, and Port McNeil) was only 11,739. There are 27 farms in the Broughton's, which give the equivalent human sewerage output as 162,825 people.

So, you (theoretically) increased the nutrient loading of the area 14 times (that's 1400%) the amount estimated available from the current population - if there was no treatment for any of the communities.

Think about that, and the implications of that. It's still not insignificant. Don't be misled by sockeyfry's ambivalent response.
 
AA,

Yep it is not insignificant. The industry has and is continuing to take steops to further decrease the amount of waste, but when compared to other agricultural endeavours it is very small on the manure production side. In addition any form of waste represents lost growth and revenue so it is in the farms best interest to minimise it. Also any environmental changes in the area will affect the farm usually negatively which in turn hurts the farmer and is not in his best interest

Don't forget that this is the entire industry which although alot of the farms are in the Broughton area, all are not, and all sites are not at the same stage of production. some are fallow, some are even mothballed. So the actual input is again further reduced from what is stated here.

The other thing is the comparision to human sewage which like cliff jumper said includes a whole host of chemicals and stuff which is not present in farm effluent. So volume yes, composition no.
 
This is what can happen if you are not a fish farmer...

R. v. Greater Vancouver Regional District and Greater
Vancouver Sewerage and Drainage District

BC Provincial Court (1981)

The accused were charged under the FA for deposit of a
deleterious substance after continuing release of raw sewage
from the Iona Island treatment plant into the Fraser River.
Charges were brought in a private prosecution by the Union
of BC (First Nations) Chiefs. The accused pleaded guilty.
Each accused was fined $5,000 and placed on probation.
Of the fine, 50% went to the Union of Chiefs. Part of the
probation order required the establishment of a committee to
recommend remedial measures. As a result, a $37 million deepsea
sewage outfall was constructed.


R. v. District of North Vancouver
BC Provincial Court (1982)

A pump in the District’s sewage lift station failed, causing
sewage to flow through an emergency overflow drain into
Hastings Creek. The District was charged with deposit of a
deleterious substance under the FA.

The District was convicted and fined $7,000. The trial
judge noted that it was not necessary to show that the
deposit caused a fish kill. “The question which must be
answered is whether fresh sewage can be deleterious to fish
when added to any water.” The sewage system, installed in
1965, was designed to do precisely what was then, and is
now, prohibited by the Fisheries Act: to deposit, in the case
of an emergency, a deleterious substance into Hastings
Creek, water frequented by fish.

R. v. Central Fraser Valley Regional District
BC Provincial Court (1987)

A vandal tampered with a valve on an above-ground
municipal sewage distribution box, left over from an old
sewage lagoon system. This caused raw sewage to spill into
Willband and Clayburn creeks. The District was charged
under the FA with deposit of a deleterious substance.
The District was convicted and fined $5,000. The judge
found the accused had clearly considered the possibility of
tampering at this valve and inspected it regularly. However,
no steps were taken to prevent the offence, such as proper
fencing, removing the ladder access, or a more secure locking
device on the valve itself. The District was not duly diligent in
preventing the offence.

R. v. Village of Lillooet
BC Provincial Court (1991)

The Village of Lillooet sewage system became blocked for
about a month. During that time, Village employees attempted
to remedy the problem without contacting any waste
management authorities. There was no overtime or urgency
on the part of the accused to fix the problem, while the
treatment system was bypassed and raw sewage was
introduced directly into the Fraser River.
The Village pleaded guilty under the FA to deposit of a
deleterious substance and was fined $10,000.


R. v. Commissioner of the Northwest Territories
NT Territorial Court (1993)

The west dyke on a municipal sewage lagoon failed, releasing
12 million gallons of untreated sewage into Koojesse Inlet at
Iqaluit over eight days. The Territory was charged under the
FA for deposit of a deleterious substance into waters
frequented by fish.

As noted by Judge de Weerdt, the Territorial
government fought the case vigorously “on every
conceivable issue which legal ingenuity could devise,” and
challenged s. 36(3) of the Fisheries Act as unconsitutionally
vague. The defence argued that the Act has to do with
fisheries, and not with pollution.

The court, however, found that s. 36(3) is neither
unconstitutionally vague nor contrary to s. 7 of the Charter
of Rights. Protecting the environment and preventing
pollution includes protection and preservation of the fishery.
Further, it was immaterial that not one dead fish was ever
reported as a result of the sewage spill. Waters around Iqaluit have long been a centre of Aboriginal fishing activity. The
accused was convicted, fined $49,000 and ordered to pay an
additional $40,000 to construct and operate a public aquarium
in Iqaluit.


NT Supreme Court (1994)

Both the Crown and the Territory appealed the fine; the
former arguing it was too low, and the latter that it was too
high. The appeal court noted that the dyke had failed five
times in the ten years before the offence charged. After a
previous failure, a diversion ditch was dug but not
maintained, and became incapable of containing a spill.
Construction of roads, aircraft facilities and drainage works
had changed the local topography and increased water runoff
into the lagoon. These facts were known to the accused, but
nothing was done to better protect the sewage lagoon.

The court stated that laws cannot be flouted by
governments and their officials with impunity. The fine was
not a mere intergovernment transfer of taxpayer dollars. In
this case, part of the penalty was for constructing and
operating an aquarium, and sewage treatment programs; and
all of the money came from the offender’s bank account
instead of federal revenues. Convictions were upheld, and
total penalties were increased from $89,000 to $200,000.


R. v. Town of Port McNeill
BC Provincial Court (1993)

Since its incorporation in 1966, the town of Port McNeill had
discharged untreated domestic sewage into Broughton Strait.
The Town was granted a permit, on the condition it
constructed sewage treatment works in a specified time. The
Town never completed any such works. After a series of
extensions, the permit was not renewed and the Town was
charged in 1989 under the WMA.

The defence made a motion to dismiss the charge because
of abuse of process. The defence argued that there were ongoing
negotiations between the parties regarding the sewage
problem, and laying the charge violated the community’s
sense of fair play.

The court denied the motion to dismiss. The court found
no evidence that both parties had been treating the expired
permit as valid. The Ministry had clearly stated its position six
months before the charge was laid, and the Town had made
no attempt to comply with the Ministry’s requirements.

R. v. Greater Vancouver Regional District
BC Provincial Court (1993)

A contractor was hired by the District to remove buildings in
a regional park. The contractor accidentally severed a main
sewage line with a back hoe. Several hundred thousand litres
of sewage entered the Serpentine River. The District pleaded
guilty to charges under the WMA of introducing waste into
the environment.

The District was fined $25,000. There was no evidence of a
fish kill or lasting environmental damage, and the incident was
a remote possibility. However, it was a foreseeable event. The contractor and the District did not properly investigate whether there was anything that could be damaged before
digging.
 
It should be mandatory for every BC resident to dive once adjacent to a net pen fish farm. There would be a public outcry. Rocks and ocean floor covered with sludge and over and over with thick algae blankets. Nothing else can grow there anymore. And I can only imagine how much pharmaceuticals and other chemicals are bound to this layer and what impact that all has...
 
This is what happens if you ARE a fish farmer...

Fish farm pollution case held over to March, 2000
November – A federal prosecutor has asked the court for
more time to decide whether to prosecute, or stay, charges
against a Vancouver Island salmon farm. Charges against
Stolt Sea Farm Inc., based in Campbell River, allege that fish
farm feces and feed are accumulating on the sea bed. This is
alleged to be deposit of a deleterious substance and harmful
alteration of fish habitat, contrary to the Fisheries Act.
The case began as a private prosecution by Lynn Hunter
of the David Suzuki foundation. The charges have sparked a
scientific evaluation by DFO. Prosecutor John Cliffe was given until March to review highly technical information
gathered for the case.

THE CASE WAS DROPPED...
quietly</u>
 
None of this changes the fact that these fish are mushy and gross. [:p]

Take only what you need.
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I need a bit of help with the math from the numeric tables

Basically, 22.5% of all feed is converted to waste: 69,859.215 tonnes, which I will assume is the metric ton, or formerly the long ton... 2200# or 1000kg.

A human averages .4kg/day X 365= 146 kg/yr

69,859,215 tonnes= (x 1000 KG) 69,859,215 kg /146 kg = 478,487.77 people, excluding make-up disposal, cats & dogs and oil leaking from autos & illegal dumpers of other liquid waste down the storm drains. And, excludes the leakage & smog from trains, ships and heavy trucks. Now, if you knew my former CiL lady, you'd have to add 1 full roll of tissue a day to her fancies. I'd bet she wasn't alone in that proclivity.

Frankly, it looks to me like we simply must eradicate the human race. There's over 5,000,000 people in BC alone, which is less than half the number attending Jackson's tribute in LA... imagine THAT one day flush... And I remain convinced a goose has a pass-through rate averaging 22#/day, or 10kg... Have you ever been on an average golf course? Have you seen the storm grates in Santa Barbara?.. They lose kids, animals and Smart cars down those things! And! have you ever smelled what comes out of a politician's or NGO-hack's mouth in an interview?... THAT weighs in a what? a tonne daily fer shure!

Or worse, there's a field below me which grows many tonnes of cabbage/yr, and frequently floods (geese in attendance) at harvest time, eliminating the harvest (I'd bet that's a tax-scam). Have you ever smelled those suckers when they rot?... and the flooding carries them off down Colquitz creek to the salty shores... a flood of (albiet organic) sulphur-ridden slime. And what of the toxic stew falling off those (albiet damned few these days) log booms?

Now, the good thing about the many times greater tonnage of living migrating salmon is they are polite enough to scatter their sewage all over the pacific north west. And, like seagulls do to us, having a good giggle when they smack some dumb halibut on the head after ripping a good one.

I vote for closed systems, filtration. Then, listening to Sweet Virginia (Stones; Exile on Mainstreet), sing along... ("so come on, Come on down Sweet Virginia... Got to scrape the **** right off your shoes....")... in other words, chill... sit back & enjoy life as we can.

A passing thought... The offal which originated in the ocean cannot be considered artificial as a fertilizer. They have and perhaps still do, airial-spread nitrogen to fertilize the krill around the QC & Alaska... Hmmm!

Cheers!
 
CJ...

Ha ha - well done!
However, I've lived on the banks of the Colquitz estuary for 26yrs now and I've never seen a cabbage float by?

Got to find that NOAA report... a-a-g-g-h-h!
 
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