From your cut and paste of Certificate OC-064 - I read that they are looking for info.
from what the article says - they went ahead and did instream work w/o any approvals/permits.
I am unsure of how preventing salmon from spawning (esp. where spawning habitat could be limited) is "mitigating" impacts???
in the meantime the yanks fund the loonies here killing our pipelines and ensure that yanks buy our oil for much less than world prices and sell theirs at world prices. now isn't that just peachy!!!
Four points in your post i will comment on. 1) a couple of cars with the newer technology in a derailment is less dangerous than a pipeline spill and although we do not agree i'm not saying you have **** for brains. 2) they are not talking about shipping oil its RAW BITUMEN they want to ship. 3) I live on the same side as the terminal and my brother in West Van and they want to increase from five a month to 34 a month almost a 700 % increase in tankers carrying this dangerous cargo so its just mathimatically going to speed up the event where there is a disasterous spill in the inlet. 4) The arguement about yanks buying our oil for much less doesn't make any sence as this is an unrefined product at its lowest economical value and benefit to Canadians and should at the very least be refined at source to maximize value for Canadians and if shipped extremely reduce its catastrophic impact on the environment when there is a spill. The last I heard there is no technology available to clean up a Raw Bitumen spill.if those against the pipeline think that oil laden rail cars snaking their way down the thompson and fraser rivers is safer than the pipeline expansion they have more than **** for brains imho. pipeline or not, more oil WILL be shipped thru vancouver. I live across the water from the terminals and watch tankers get safely loaded continually. in the meantime the yanks fund the loonies here killing our pipelines and ensure that yanks buy our oil for much less than world prices and sell theirs at world prices. now isn't that just peachy!!!
Its another case of 2 different governing bodies not talking or understanding who's in charge of what.
If we have been shipping this dilbit for some time now, how much has it been selling for then?
Four points in your post i will comment on. 1) a couple of cars with the newer technology in a derailment is less dangerous than a pipeline spill and although we do not agree i'm not saying you have **** for brains. 2) they are not talking about shipping oil its RAW BITUMEN they want to ship. 3) I live on the same side as the terminal and my brother in West Van and they want to increase from five a month to 34 a month almost a 700 % increase in tankers carrying this dangerous cargo so its just mathimatically going to speed up the event where there is a disasterous spill in the inlet. 4) The arguement about yanks buying our oil for much less doesn't make any sence as this is an unrefined product at its lowest economical value and benefit to Canadians and should at the very least be refined at source to maximize value for Canadians and if shipped extremely reduce its catastrophic impact on the environment when there is a spill. The last I heard there is no technology available to clean up a Raw Bitumen spill.
Honestly, no one can ship raw bitumen. It needs to be upgraded prior, which it always is. It has a viscosity of over 10,000 cp.
Lastly yes the Yanks do buy it at a discount. When I'm back at the office Tuesday I will gladly supply all the back up needed.
I do this for a living & confirm it 100%. I'm not using it as a means to convince folks to change their minds. I only want to educate. Right now pepole are bombarded with false data from different lobbying groups
It is RAW BITUMEN only diluted with dilbit so it can flow through the pipes which is cannot be said to be upgraded. The Raw Bitumen in rail cars is not diluted with dilbit and therefore in my opinion only probably a lot easier to clean up when it spills as it is pretty thick. If we refined it then the Yanks wouldn't care what they were putting in their cars our gasoline or theirs and us Canadians would get the full value. Why is that so complicated?Honestly, no one can ship raw bitumen. It needs to be upgraded prior, which it always is. It has a viscosity of over 10,000 cp.
Lastly yes the Yanks do buy it at a discount. When I'm back at the office Tuesday I will gladly supply all the back up needed.
I do this for a living & confirm it 100%. I'm not using it as a means to convince folks to change their minds. I only want to educate. Right now pepole are bombarded with false data from different lobbying groups
Once it hits tide water it sells at the world "North Sea Brent" price. Roughly ~$54/bbl USD. The same oil sent down south is priced at a deduct "Western Canadian Select" at $~39/bbl USD
Trust me, the stats above are real. I do this for a living
It is RAW BITUMEN only diluted with dilbit so it can flow through the pipes which is cannot be said to be upgraded. The Raw Bitumen in rail cars is not diluted with dilbit and therefore in my opinion only probably a lot easier to clean up when it spills as it is pretty thick. If we refined it then the Yanks wouldn't care what they were putting in their cars our gasoline or theirs and us Canadians would get the full value. Why is that so complicated?
Dilbit is not WCS, it's close but is missing the synbit or light conventional and WCS is not the equivalent to Brent so you can not say that Dilbit will sell for ~$54/bbl US. at tidewater. If anything dilbit could be compared to a lesser replacement to Myan or Venezuelan and those two are closer to WCS. Like I said it would be interesting to find out what the price was for shipments that have taken place.
Dilbit is not WCS, it's close but is missing the synbit or light conventional and WCS is not the equivalent to Brent so you can not say that Dilbit will sell for ~$54/bbl US. at tidewater. If anything dilbit could be compared to a lesser replacement to Myan or Venezuelan and those two are closer to WCS. Like I said it would be interesting to find out what the price was for shipments that have taken place.
It is RAW BITUMEN only diluted with dilbit so it can flow through the pipes which is cannot be said to be upgraded. The Raw Bitumen in rail cars is not diluted with dilbit and therefore in my opinion only probably a lot easier to clean up when it spills as it is pretty thick. If we refined it then the Yanks wouldn't care what they were putting in their cars our gasoline or theirs and us Canadians would get the full value. Why is that so complicated?