Iggy New Liberal Leader

[SerengetiGuide]

Well...as a Conservative this is actually the last thing I wanted to see...but not at the same time. Rae would be an easy defeat to majority...Iggy not so much...he's a smart guy...but I don't think Canadians will be able to relate to him...will make things interesting.

Coaltion won't survive now as Ignatieff doesn't agree with it. But I think the fact the Liberals went into it originally will still be in the back of voters minds when they vote in the next election...or at least hope so.

Iggy also has wrote a billion books/papers or so...so it will be easy for the Conservatives to do some digging and find some quality quotes that will scare Canadians...such as his support of torture in Iraq...and how he thought Canada should of went to Iraq etc.

However, if by chance the Libs do beat the Cons in the next election...rather see Iggy there then Rae as a Conservative as iggy is right-center...unlike Dion and Rae who are lefties.

My 2 cents.

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[richmake]

Oh young David...sweet young David...
I do appreciate your enthusiasum for Canadian Politics and of course your not as jaded as the rest of us yet.
Alot of us have been around long enough to remember being bent over and you know what so many times by polititions in general that not one single thing they say is ever trustworthy or legit.
There is never accountability for any of them and most are not in it for the job at hand...they are there for the pension in the future.
I learned long ago that no matter how passionite a person feels about federal politics in Canada...it's a slippery slope into eventual sorrow, greed and anger which is followed closely by more anger and then eventual relief as you realize that the time spent following these idiot's could of been spent fishing!!!!

Just my 2 cents



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[SerengetiGuide]

quote:Originally posted by richmake

Oh young David...sweet young David...
I do appreciate your enthusiasum for Canadian Politics and of course your not as jaded as the rest of us yet.
Alot of us have been around long enough to remember being bent over and you know what so many times by polititions in general that not one single thing they say is ever trustworthy or legit.
There is never accountability for any of them and most are not in it for the job at hand...they are there for the pension in the future.
I learned long ago that no matter how passionite a person feels about federal politics in Canada...it's a slippery slope into eventual sorrow, greed and anger which is followed closely by more anger and then eventual relief as you realize that the time spent following these idiot's could of been spent fishing!!!!

Just my 2 cents



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Thanks Chad...I think you are pretty sweet too lolol

Yah...the pension of an MP is amazing!! So that is a fair reason to go into it...however, eventually I plan on going into it and hopefully making a difference. I have met and know of a few good MP's on Parliament...but they are far and few between...Jim Prentice is a great guy though...one who works hard and is there for the right reasons I believe...he'll be the next Conservative leader as well.

Unfortunately, no fishing for me in -20 weather out here...or when back in BC...so mine as well keep my mind occupied with something that isn't alcohol, girls, or schoolwork [8D]

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[alley cat]

I have been watching the young mans posts and noting his passionate defense of the right which is dedicated to the promotion of big business and the rich ; what is needed is a leavening of life and an understanding of something called a social conscience , something Harper does not have !
I must agree partially however in that I most certainly do not support any coalition which contains separatists to bolster it , I served in my countries regular armed forces ( Army Airborne Communications ) and still adhere to my oath to defend this country against its enemies domestic and foreign , and in my opinion the separatists are domestic enemies therefore the coalition is by its composition an enemy.
I voted my conscience in the last election and was eminently satisfied with the minority government which should hold back the right wing fundamentalist hawks of the conservatives or at least temper it and make its mandates palatable to the majority of us.
This will of course generate a response which will be in the manner of telling this old dog that he has learned nothing over 65 plus years , but then again I can remember when I was 18 and knew everything it was only many years later I was quite amazed at how smart my Dad had got as the years went by !

AL

 

[richmake]

good post Al...

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[SerengetiGuide]

quote:Originally posted by alley cat

I have been watching the young mans posts and noting his passionate defense of the right which is dedicated to the promotion of big business and the rich ; what is needed is a leavening of life and an understanding of something called a social conscience , something Harper does not have !
I must agree partially however in that I most certainly do not support any coalition which contains separatists to bolster it , I served in my countries regular armed forces ( Army Airborne Communications ) and still adhere to my oath to defend this country against its enemies domestic and foreign , and in my opinion the separatists are domestic enemies therefore the coalition is by its composition an enemy.
I voted my conscience in the last election and was eminently satisfied with the minority government which should hold back the right wing fundamentalist hawks of the conservatives or at least temper it and make its mandates palatable to the majority of us.
This will of course generate a response which will be in the manner of telling this old dog that he has learned nothing over 65 plus years , but then again I can remember when I was 18 and knew everything it was only many years later I was quite amazed at how smart my Dad had got as the years went by !

AL

To say the defence of the rich and big business just simply is not true. It is a well known fact that the Liberals are the supporters of big business...hence why the new donation laws have had such a devastating effect on the financial well being of the Liberal party...no more donations from big business.

If they are a defender of anything, it would be the middle and upper class. By no means am I trying to say they represent the poor the best...that would be the fiscally irresponsible NDP that would do that best. Social conscience is important, and I feel I do have one...however, it is important to remember that there needs to be a balance of social conscience, intelligence, and plain ol' common sense.

I may be only 20, but I feel I have a good grasp of politics, especially relative to most who vote. My father would agree with me on most aspects as well.

However, not saying I know it all...I'm young...have tons to learn about life, politics, pretty much everything, fishing included as well...but as we go we learn and grow from those learning experiences...key thing is to learn from the past.

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[Barbender]

quote: I served in my countries regular armed forces ( Army Airborne Communications )

WTF is that? I am calling BS on that little tid bit. I served with the CAB in 2 Commando. I think you never served in any reg force unit. I think you are card carrying NDP socialist who played army when he was a kid and thinks that qualifies as military service.

 

[alley cat]

1961 before the CAB was formed was taking training with 2nd Battalion PPCLI(at that time was the airborne regiment of the Pats) in Namao , near Greisbach Barracks ( the first of four Hercules had just been delivered then)we were started on course as a platoon of all services , officer was a Captain Mackintosh had this same conversation with an ex Para from Otter Point who was surprised to find out that there were airborne units prior to the formation of the CAB which took its training at Rivers base ; transferred from there to Kingston Signals School before qualifying for wings and came back with trade then attached 2 PPCLI from BC Area Sigs Sqn went on 3 month standby for RDF we were known as Airmobile while at BC Signals Sqn , then detach posted to wire in the Diefenbunker in Nanaimo.
I was 18 in 1961 , and yes I do vote NDP in support of a party that tries to care about the common working man !
My service number was SK 102331 and that was regular forces buddy so stuff it !


AL

 

[Barbender]

That would explain it. That was pre Edmonton and dont know much about that era. Not sure if you ever go on Commando.org. There are a few guys from your time on there that you may or may not know. Feel free to log on and check in. Don Mackenzie served in F Troop back then which might ring a bell.

 

[dmax191]

Canadians are sheep and as long as our political structure remains intact we'll always be sheep. We need constitutional reform. 2 things that wold help immediately, well three things. lol. First we need ban political contributions from all sources. Elections would be tax payer funded only. Get BIG business out of Ottawa. Next we need the Senate to be elected. Too many good laws go to the senate for confirmation and are left there to die because the Senate is dominated by one party or the other. Right now it's the Liberals because the PM of the day has the sole authority to appoint Senators and it's for life. NO GOOD!! Term limits for Senators and elected Senate. Lastly we need to add 42 MP's to the house of Commons. That would bring our total MP's to 350. The catch....none of the additional seats would go to Quebec or Ontario. They have an unfair balance of power and can effectively keep the rest of the country at bay when deciding major issues. Of course constitutional reform takes at least a 60% majority in the house to pass and do you think Politicians from Quebec and Ontario will help pass this type of legislation? NO WAY. But that would certainly help the rest of Canada. Oh one final change would really help,,,on a fishing note. Move the DFO Offices(all of them) out of Ottawa and into Victoria or Vancouver and Halifax. You know, where all the fishing is done!

 

[alley cat]

Barbender :
Did you ever run across a Cpl MacNiell who was seconded from the British 1 Para and was a trainer in Canada with the start of formal Airborne program ?
Two of my buddies eventually went into Rivers they were Sgt Brodie and Cpl Cunningham did you ever run across them ?
He was part of the group which was ad hoc at the time in forming RDF groups of all arms specialities , I went for it as a technician specializing in code machines and the repair of same plus to be used for intel gathering if we ever captured foreign codex items.
Commando.com eh will look into that had never heard of it before thanks !

AL

 

[Barbender]

I think I am a bit younger than you. I served in 2 Commando in the late 80's to 1990 so those names do not ring a bell. I got out around the Somalia issue and it was not a great time for the regiment unfortunately. A lot of good guys took the fall for a few bad apples. Regarless the link is www.commando.org log on and I am pretty sure you will hook up with some guys from your era. I know of 2 old jumpers for sure that were around in the late 60's early 70's.

 

[alley cat]

Yeah to disband the Regiment for the sake of some fools was too much !
In my opinion if this country is to go to war to save our miserable a***s then I want the hardest , toughest most miserable SOB out there laying it on the line not a draft dodger.
Your right I turn 66 in March so I was out of the forces in 1965.

Cheers

AL

 

[Gunsmith]

Great discussion! Happy to see it finish on a positive note.

 

[Barbender]

quote:In my opinion if this country is to go to war to save our miserable a***s then I want the hardest , toughest most miserable SOB out there laying it on the line not a draft dodger

Careful now. In this country that kind of talk might offend someone and before you know it you will be brought before the thought police and re educated.

 

[alley cat]

Steady in the ranks Barbender .............. lets look at my post cooldude , the operative word in the statement "is" to go war that defines it as a defensive position to defend our country from any outside enemy , are you then stating you would not defend this country ?
Are you then prepared for others to keep the sanctity of our government and way of life ?
Would refuse to fight for the defense of this country ?
I think that only those who have served in this countries armed forces fully understand that they have given you the right to criticize the need to maintain our borders whole in conjunction with our nieghbour to the South.
It will end when others do not use force or the threat of force to physically assault another country to get their way either economically or politically.
Do you accept then the Muslim worlds right to declare "Jihad" or Holy war on us and we just let come on over and slaughter us in our own cities without we prepare to defend ourselves ?
I think you have the right to speak only because it was granted to you by others who fought for this country ........... Good God grow up !


AL

 

[scott craven]

Al ,
sorry YHBT....
remember once identified, burn the troll !!!

funny eh ?[)][)]

 

[alley cat]

Ooops forgot to look at the handle and the number of posts , my apologies to everyone for snapping back , I just did not grow up in an era where that kind of disrespect and poor manners was tolerated.
I'll try and look closer at the handles from now on !
Thanks r.s and the jackel.


Cheers

AL

 

[Barbender]

You can tell we are all fishermen by nature. All it takes is some troll to put a bait out there and we all pounce on it. Good thing we are not big springs or we would all be sitting in a cooler somewhere with a glassy look in our eyes....

 

[Gunsmith]

You know cool dude you should take up fishing. You seem to be good at baiting. You might enjoy the real fishing.