cuttlefish
Well-Known Member
And it's name is John Duncan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w1iHT1TaiNI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w1iHT1TaiNI
Harper has a problem
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eaglemaniac
Well-Known Member
What a useless piece of shyte. Thankfully he wasn't made Fisheries Minister. eman
Sculpin
Well-Known Member
I hope your talking about Duncan?
Fish Assassin
Crew Member
We did not want him here in the Comox Valley....LOL.. Now know one wants the loser....
alwaysfishn
Member
Sometimes it's good to hear the other side of the issue.... Duncan may not be the brightest bulb, but look at the material he has to work with.
By Mark Milke
Imagine two small Ontario towns. One is a reserve that blocks an outside investigation into its $31.2-million annual operating budget. That town, Attawapiskat First Nation, has 1,549 people on the reserve according to the last census.
Now imagine another town, a non-native one, where recent budget estimates peg its annual operating expenditures at $8.4-million. That’s the township of Atikokan, near Thunder Bay, with 3,293 people
Careful readers will notice that the larger town, Atikokan, has a much smaller operating budget than does Attawapiskat.
Where the money is spent is also curious. According to Attawapiskat’s latest budget documents, $11.2-million went to salaries, wages and employee benefits. That equates to $7,249 per reserve resident for compensation.
In contrast, according to the latest available estimates from Atikokan, that town spends just less than $3-million on salaries and benefits, or $904 per person.
That contrast might explain the resistance by some to a third-party investigation into the finances of Attawapiskat First Nation. After all, one might reasonably ask this question: given Atikokan spent $3-million on compensation for all city staff, why must Attawapiskat spend $11.2-million? That’s an $8.2-million difference, some of which could have paid for needed housing in the Attawapiskat reserve.
Here’s another contrast. In Atikokan, (for the fiscal year ending in December 2009), the mayor’s salary was $7,713 with travel expenses of $4,268. The total cost to taxpayers thus just less than $12,000. In fact, the total for salaries and expenses for Atikokan’s mayor and seven councillors was just $46,691.
On the Attawapiskat reserve (for the fiscal year ending in March 2010) the chief’s salary alone was $51,803. In total, salaries for Attawapiskat’s chief, deputy chief and 18 councillors that year amounted to $386,129. With $28,535 in expenses, the total cost to taxpayers was $414,664. In the next fiscal year, that cost jumped to $615,552 — a 48% increase.
The Attawapiskat-Atikokan comparison isn’t the only useful contrast. Consider other northern Canadian towns that are also not reserves. In 2010, the northern Alberta town of Athabasca, with a population of 2,575, had an operating budget of $5.5-million. It spent just over $1.6-million on wages and benefits for all city staff, council included, or $644 per Athabascan. The village of Valemount, B.C., with 1,018 people, has an annual operating budget of $3.2-million. It paid out $811,852 in compensation-related expenses, or $797 per capita.
If the City of Toronto spent as much on wages, salaries and benefits as Attawapiskat, Toronto’s remuneration bill would have been $20.1-billion in 2010, as opposed to $4.8-billion (and its curiously high $1,741 per capita figure).
Such comparisons should be recalled by everyone when Chief Shawn Atleo from the Assembly of First Nations, and Attawapiskat chief Theresa Spence mount the rhetorical barricades and urge everyone to move on without “assigning blame,” which is a dodge. Or when they blame “colonialism.”
A lack of money isn’t the problem. Rather, it’s how that money is spent. With the exception of obvious short-term help for the people of Attawapiskat in winter — to make up for past monies that were spent on a large bureaucracy instead of housing — more money won’t solve anything.
Instead, a long-term strategy is needed with the following elements: accountability for money spent; eventual transfers directly to individual natives with money then taxed back for band services; and property rights for individual natives on reserves, which would help instill accountability, entrepreneurship and pride.
Lastly, realism is needed about the fact so many reserves are not economically viable. For the past two centuries, people around the world have moved from rural areas to the cities. Similarly, many people on reserves (mostly in rural areas) need to find their way close to educational, economic and social opportunities in proximity to major population centres, if not for themselves, then certainly for their kids. Such opportunities are why the majority of First Nations people, 57% of them, already choose to live off-reserve.
The challenge for politicians, native and non-native alike, is to remove existing incentives for people to stay on remote reserves, and to provide transitional help those same people move closer to opportunities.
By Mark Milke
Imagine two small Ontario towns. One is a reserve that blocks an outside investigation into its $31.2-million annual operating budget. That town, Attawapiskat First Nation, has 1,549 people on the reserve according to the last census.
Now imagine another town, a non-native one, where recent budget estimates peg its annual operating expenditures at $8.4-million. That’s the township of Atikokan, near Thunder Bay, with 3,293 people
Careful readers will notice that the larger town, Atikokan, has a much smaller operating budget than does Attawapiskat.
Where the money is spent is also curious. According to Attawapiskat’s latest budget documents, $11.2-million went to salaries, wages and employee benefits. That equates to $7,249 per reserve resident for compensation.
In contrast, according to the latest available estimates from Atikokan, that town spends just less than $3-million on salaries and benefits, or $904 per person.
That contrast might explain the resistance by some to a third-party investigation into the finances of Attawapiskat First Nation. After all, one might reasonably ask this question: given Atikokan spent $3-million on compensation for all city staff, why must Attawapiskat spend $11.2-million? That’s an $8.2-million difference, some of which could have paid for needed housing in the Attawapiskat reserve.
Here’s another contrast. In Atikokan, (for the fiscal year ending in December 2009), the mayor’s salary was $7,713 with travel expenses of $4,268. The total cost to taxpayers thus just less than $12,000. In fact, the total for salaries and expenses for Atikokan’s mayor and seven councillors was just $46,691.
On the Attawapiskat reserve (for the fiscal year ending in March 2010) the chief’s salary alone was $51,803. In total, salaries for Attawapiskat’s chief, deputy chief and 18 councillors that year amounted to $386,129. With $28,535 in expenses, the total cost to taxpayers was $414,664. In the next fiscal year, that cost jumped to $615,552 — a 48% increase.
The Attawapiskat-Atikokan comparison isn’t the only useful contrast. Consider other northern Canadian towns that are also not reserves. In 2010, the northern Alberta town of Athabasca, with a population of 2,575, had an operating budget of $5.5-million. It spent just over $1.6-million on wages and benefits for all city staff, council included, or $644 per Athabascan. The village of Valemount, B.C., with 1,018 people, has an annual operating budget of $3.2-million. It paid out $811,852 in compensation-related expenses, or $797 per capita.
If the City of Toronto spent as much on wages, salaries and benefits as Attawapiskat, Toronto’s remuneration bill would have been $20.1-billion in 2010, as opposed to $4.8-billion (and its curiously high $1,741 per capita figure).
Such comparisons should be recalled by everyone when Chief Shawn Atleo from the Assembly of First Nations, and Attawapiskat chief Theresa Spence mount the rhetorical barricades and urge everyone to move on without “assigning blame,” which is a dodge. Or when they blame “colonialism.”
A lack of money isn’t the problem. Rather, it’s how that money is spent. With the exception of obvious short-term help for the people of Attawapiskat in winter — to make up for past monies that were spent on a large bureaucracy instead of housing — more money won’t solve anything.
Instead, a long-term strategy is needed with the following elements: accountability for money spent; eventual transfers directly to individual natives with money then taxed back for band services; and property rights for individual natives on reserves, which would help instill accountability, entrepreneurship and pride.
Lastly, realism is needed about the fact so many reserves are not economically viable. For the past two centuries, people around the world have moved from rural areas to the cities. Similarly, many people on reserves (mostly in rural areas) need to find their way close to educational, economic and social opportunities in proximity to major population centres, if not for themselves, then certainly for their kids. Such opportunities are why the majority of First Nations people, 57% of them, already choose to live off-reserve.
The challenge for politicians, native and non-native alike, is to remove existing incentives for people to stay on remote reserves, and to provide transitional help those same people move closer to opportunities.
Fish-Hunter
Active Member
hahahaha, duncan is a total tool and a piece of shyte, i told him rite to his face for about an hour, thanks to the comox valley and the courtenay area where the majority of the voters for the north island riding reside, for re-electing that piece of work, i better shut my mouth rite now cause i could go on and on about this guy and get in some real shyte, i know that u and your minions watch this forum john so u idiots should take about 2 weeks off, and then, QUIT!!, truely, im not sure who likes ya and your politics and im not sure how the hell ya got back in, but OBVIOUSLY it was some totally clueless individuals, and shame on ANYONE who voted for him, yayayaya, the long gun registry, blah, blah, blah, u ppl dont know what ya did, now yer learning what us ppl already knew was comin down the pipe....u think i was pissed off then?, well how do ya like me now, WHAT A F*&%ING SHYTE SHOW.........holmes*
Holmes, if you would just drink the damned KOOL-ADE, everything would be al-right and you would see how great Duncan truly is. LOL
ratherbefishing
Well-Known Member
The Times Colonist reported DFO was pink slipping around 400 employees yesterday...and doesn't look like a single one in Ottawa. Nice [sarcasm].
Lipripper
Active Member
Typical white collars protecting their azzes
Now the re-election of JD, that is something you north islanders have to make up with your conscience. Re the first nation reserve issues, I have done a lot of technical projects on reserves in BC and I can confirm this type of mismanagement of bands is not uncommon. In fact, you don't even have to get out of the Greater Victoria area to see some reckless abuse of fundings for actual projects and complete out-of control of salaries for band council members while the communities suffer. By no means all bands, but some are notoriously bad for such scams and abuses. And since some chiefs and councils basically run a nasty dictatorship over many decades, there is no accountability. Funding for clean water or sewage treatment or housing comes in, you think the project can roll and next thing you wonder why the bank account is empty - but all of a sudden the chief's brother has a new garage, the chief's grandson goes to a private school, the council members all drive brand new trucks and at the next council meeting, they vote for 50% salary hikes for council members. Hmmm....Seen it all. So, sometimes 3rd party management makes good sense. But I have also delt with a number of incompetent 3rd party managers.
SerengetiGuide
Well-Known Member
K Chris...right after the election I had this issue with you, and I raise it again. Stop ****ing saying "you north islanders", especially that first sentence about conscience, implying that those on the board from the north island are the ones that put him there... That really pisses me off!
With that being said, agree with you 100% on your analysis of the first nations reserve spending and complete lack of accountability. It actually disgusts me to see how poorly these chiefs care about their very own people...they always talk about how they deserve special treatment, yet don't even treat their own people with any dignity.
With that being said, agree with you 100% on your analysis of the first nations reserve spending and complete lack of accountability. It actually disgusts me to see how poorly these chiefs care about their very own people...they always talk about how they deserve special treatment, yet don't even treat their own people with any dignity.
SerengetiGuide
Well-Known Member
Duncan's a complete baffoon, it's embarrassing he is an MP, nevermind a Minister...I assure you next shuffle he will no longer be a Minister. I look forward to the day I get a run at MP for Van Island North.
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tortuga
Guest
Take away the military vote and he would have been history.
lorneparker1
Banned
tincan
Well-Known Member
another montage of recent Duncan low-lites - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj_8oZerq3k&feature=related
I didn't really see much of this guy until lately but it is nothing less than shocking that he has been able to have a thriving career on public service.
I didn't really see much of this guy until lately but it is nothing less than shocking that he has been able to have a thriving career on public service.
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