Okay, thanks guys. Good luck in school. The kid is off to SFU for year 3 and is tired of getting around on the bus. We gave him the 2003 Matrix. Meanwhile I still have a 1996 F150 and a 1974 11'4" Whaler. Where have I gone wrong? I have a bad case of 12 footitis and will need a new truck to pull my hypothetical 23' boat, but it seems I have to wait some more yet again. 4 trips to the Island, plenty of fish, lots of golf and a bonus trip to Maui. I really have nothing to whine about. It was a great summer- back to reality Tuesday.