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NO NO. Invasive species is a species that is foreign and INVADES! Big difference. So where spring salmon are in areas they are not to be they are invasive. Atlantics on the west cost have been given every opportunity to invade in the last 100 years and they have failed every time.

Nuff Said.
 
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife agrees with the Alaskan Scientists! Just how deep does this collusion go??

WDFW review of Wild Fish Conservancy’s Feb. 15 news release on presence of virus in escaped Atlantic salmon
February 16, 2018
Summary of key points

The following points are fully elaborated in the material below, prepared by Dr. Kenneth Warheit, fish health and genetic specialist for the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife:

1. WDFW never claimed that PRV was not present in escaped Atlantic salmon. In fact, in the State’s report investigating the Cypress #2 accident, WDFW was the first to report the presence of PRV in the escaped Atlantic salmon. Ms. Amy Windrope’s quote that appeared in WFC’s press release was accurate and subsequent statements at the press briefing specifically dealt with the presence of PRV and stated that WDFW found PRV in the escaped Atlantic salmon. None of the escaped Atlantic salmon with PRV examined by WDFW had HSMI.

2. PRV is a virus that is present in both captive Atlantic salmon and free-swimming native Pacific salmon. In most cases, fish with PRV are healthy, and show no signs of disease. The syndrome HSMI has been associated with PRV in Atlantic salmon aquaculture only. HSMI affects only a small subset of captive Atlantic salmon with PRV and in most cases HSMI is not fatal. See attached White Paper.

3. WFC claims that PRV is “highly contagious and debilitating,” and cites the scientific publication Wessel et al. as the source for their statement. But, the results from Wessel et al. do not support WFC’s claim; however, Wessel et al. do state “PRV is ubiquitous in farmed Atlantic salmon and thus present also in apparently healthy individuals.” The published paper indicates that in the laboratory, PRV produced microscopic signs that are consistent with HSMI, but in this study none of the fish developed a debilitating disease, and none of the fish died as a result of infection.

4. Neither the Wessel et al. nor the DiCicco et al. papers state that there are “significant mortalities from HSMI,” as WFC claims. Wessel et al. state that “[h]istopathological lesions in the heart can be found in most fish in an affected sea cage while the cumulative mortality [in Norway] ranges from insignificant to 20%.” DiCicco et al. state “[t]he disease [HSMI] has been reported also in Scotland . . . and Chile.” The data presented by DiCicco et al. for the BC farm indicates that about 0.2% of the affected fish died from HSMI.

5. WFC states that the “spread of PRV from farmed Atlantic to wild salmon has been well documented,” and cites Garver et al. as that documentation. Garver et al. describes a laboratory study where through injections and forced cohabitation the investigators demonstrate that PRV can be highly infectious. Therefore, this research does not state that PRV spreads from farmed Atlantic to wild salmon. However, it is likely that wild salmon can be
infected with PRV from farmed salmon, and likewise, farmed salmon can be infected by wild salmon. Furthermore, in addition to WFC’s misuse of the Garver et al. research, they omitted another finding of Garver et al.: even with the high infectivity of PRV, none of the test fish showed any clinical or microscopic signs of disease.

6. This paragraph is entirely speculative and not based on any “peer-reviewed science,” as claimed by WFC. WFC states that “the virus may reduce the amount of oxygen cells can transport to the fish’s muscles,” and cites another paper published by Wessel et al. However, the cited paper does not support WFC’s statement: “[a]lthough the present study suggests salmon RBC [red blood cells] can tolerate high amounts of PRV, it is not known how it affects other important erythrocyte functions, such as oxygen transport.”

7. The quote attributed to Amy Windrope was based on clinical examination, by a licensed veterinarian, of escaped Atlantic salmon re-captured soon after the spill. The veterinarian determined that these fish were indeed healthy, that is, free from disease. These fish were tested for regulated pathogens, not for PRV, which is not a regulated pathogen nor is it recognized by the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) as a pathogen of concern. The quote attributed to Amy Windrope is accurate. WFC continues to inaccurately state the difference between a virus (PRV) and a disease (HSMI).

8. WFC is disingenuous when they label PRV as a “Norwegian virus” and WFC is implying that the PRV detected in the 19 fish they tested was brought here from Norway. PRV has been present in Salish Sea waters since at least 1987. There is a scientific debate in the peer-reviewed literature as to the origin of the PRV (eastern Pacific v Atlantic). This debate centers on viral genetics since there is little direct epidemiological evidence as to the origin of PRV. An objective evaluation, based on current information and analyses, would indicate that the origin of PRV is not known. Nevertheless and more importantly, it is unknown as to where the escaped Atlantic salmon contracted PRV. It is conceivable that the fish contracted the virus in Cooke Aquaculture’s Rochester hatchery, which if true would suggest that all the Atlantic salmon in the net pens have PRV. This would be consistent with what is known about the prevalence of PRV in Atlantic salmon net pens in British Columbia, and not a surprising result here in Washington. Alternatively, it is also conceivable that the fish entered the net pens free of PRV and contracted the virus from wild fish—a scenario that is also common in British Columbia.

9. WFC provided no data or citations that support their claim that the PRV present in the escaped fish are of Norwegian origin. See comment #8 above. In addition, although PRV genetic sequences from eastern Pacific closely resemble that from Norway, there are differences between these sets of sequences, and it would have been more informative if WFC provided information about the sequences, rather than speculating about the origin of the PRV found in the escaped Atlantic salmon.

10. Despite WFC’s claim that there is a “multitude of scientific studies,” they failed to cite a single scientific study “that demonstrate PRV from open-water pens will likely spread to and harm wild fish.” WFC also failed to state that PRV is present in native Pacific salmonids from Alaska to at least Washington, and in all cases these native fish showed no clinical or microscopic signs of HSMI or any other disease related to being infected with PRV. WDFW is methodical and objective in our evaluation of PRV, and we plan to increase surveillance for the virus in both Atlantic salmon and within our hatcheries. WDFW has been truthful with WFC and with anyone who asks us about PRV. The Pacific Northwest Fish Health Protection Committee made up of virologists, pathologists, geneticists, and veterinarians have produced a White Paper on PRV and HSMI. WDFW’s current management associated with PRV is consistent with that White Paper.
You forgot to put WFC Feb 20th responce for context so here it is. Wild Fish Conservancy’s Feb. 15 news release on presence of virus in escaped Atlantic salmon
February 16, 2018 http://wildfishconservancy.org/wfc-press-release-feb.-20th-2018/at_download/file
 
Can someone point me towards these Atlantic salmon rivers on Vancouver island. I’d love to catch some I hear they fight harder then a steelhead.

I find it hard to believe and I'm a bit sceptical also.
I'd tend to believe it if the rivers were named, and people were catching them in said rivers.

I have a question?

If you believe what we are being told by some over and over that all ff Atlantics are diseased,sick and unhealthy.

How then can an unhealthy sick disease infested ff atlantic salmon make it to a river to compete with and over come a native species that "may or may not" be unhealthy.
Then reproduce and take over said river systems?

We would have seen it on a grand scale already as they have tried more than once to purposefully introduce Atlantics on our coast for sportsfishing in the past when ecosystems were much healthier with no success.
 
I find it hard to believe and I'm a bit sceptical also.
I'd tend to believe it if the rivers were named, and people were catching them in said rivers.

I have a question?

If you believe what we are being told by some over and over that all ff Atlantics are diseased,sick and unhealthy.

How then can an unhealthy sick disease infested ff atlantic salmon make it to a river to compete with and over come a native species that "may or may not" be unhealthy.
Then reproduce and take over said river systems?

We would have seen it on a grand scale already as they have tried more than once to purposefully introduce Atlantics on our coast for sportsfishing in the past when ecosystems were much healthier with no success.
Good questions, SF.

Volpe's work suggested that there is a much greater risk of invasion potential by Atlantics into Pacific streams when steelhead stocks are depressed. That is because their juvies have largely the same niche in the river - Atlantic juvies have large pectoral fins that they use as an anchor in faster water - holding them in position for drift feeding.

They did find Atlantic juvies in a few systems - mostly in the streams on the NorthEast of Vancouver Island above Campbell River. That was a few years back - and as far as we know - those introductions may have died out.

However, whether or not the escaped Atlantics were able to generate a self-sustaining population - their presence - and their load of PRv - greatly increases the risk of transmission of PRv to wild stocks.

This is particularly worrisome given the newest release of escaped Atlantics from Cooke: http://www.moldychum.com/escaped-atlantic-salmon-catch-reports/
 
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Theirs a lot of ENGO groups in Washington that have set up to go after fish farms. With fish farms gone in Washington its going to be interesting to where these groups focus their attention. That will be something to keep a close eye on.
 
Unfortunately, the regulators protect the open net-cage industry from independent investigation of the effects of disease transfer to wild stocks by hiding geographic data and real-time public reporting of disease outbreaks - likely due to the risks of being sued for legal liability, IMHO.

I doubt if anyone would expect that anyone would take them seriously if they suggested lesions on the heart and muscles wouldn't impact the host fish or a population of fish.
 
Unfortunately, the regulators protect the open net-cage industry from independent investigation of the effects of disease transfer to wild stocks by hiding geographic data and real-time public reporting of disease outbreaks - likely due to the risks of being sued for legal liability, IMHO.

I doubt if anyone would expect that anyone would take them seriously if they suggested lesions on the heart and muscles wouldn't impact the host fish or a population of fish.

So you don't want to cite any recent science on the topic of PVR effects on pacific stocks to make your point. Ok. I didn't think you would. Don't worry, theres a huge market out there for conspiracy theories so your good still. lol
 
So you don't want to cite any recent science on the topic of PVR effects on pacific stocks to make your point. Ok. I didn't think you would. Don't worry, theres a huge market out there for conspiracy theories so your good still. lol

Lots of room for theories with so much conflicting scientific evidence.
What would help is if Fish Farms would allow open, regular and independent disease and parasite testing on Open Net Pen Atlantic salmon with reports made public in a timely manner.
With the obvious risks involved, Open Net Pen Atlantic Salmon Fish Farms should be the most tested and scrutinized of any farms of any type in the country!!
Washington State got it right (for whatever reason you want to debate) when they decided not to renew any Open Pen Atlantic Salmon Farm licenses!
The movement (as posted on this site many times) to land based Fish Farms is certainly encouraging.
Hopefully our Government will speed that movement in B.C. by not renewing the soon to expire Fish Farm licenses.
 
Hopefully our Government will speed that movement in B.C. by not renewing the soon to expire Fish Farm licenses.

How can Horgan and Weaver not stop the leases? They failed on site C, They will probably fail on the KM pipe line.

Surely they have to do something for their base other than stopping a grizzly bear hunt.
 
What would help is if Fish Farms would allow open, regular and independent disease and parasite testing on Open Net Pen Atlantic salmon with reports made public in a timely manner.
With the obvious risks involved, Open Net Pen Atlantic Salmon Fish Farms should be the most tested and scrutinized of any farms of any type in the country!!
but they already do. the problem is you no not agree and never will or maybe you will agree if Almo takes the samples and uses her lab?

"There was a program aired on national television with allegations about the integrity of the system in B.C.," he said. "It was the result of another scientist that works for the federal government making public statements about the integrity of our process. I think all British Columbians would expect that we will do everything we can to reinforce public confidence in these institutions."
A B.C. government website says the Animal Health Centre is the leading accredited full-service veterinary laboratory in Western Canada, offering more than 400 laboratory diagnostic tests for agents that may be found in wild and domestic birds, mammals, fish, reptiles and amphibians.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...-integrity-of-fish-farm-testing-lab-1.4373076
 
it sure is a cause for alarm. and why hasnt dfo made it so? oh ya, hidden mandates. . invasive in any way is not acceptable. even the plants in your yard that you throw over the fence is illegal.
again just use caution when throwing illegal and invasive species as the definition shows that many pacific salmon runs are invasive to that river. if aquaculture stops farming of invasive species then by definition so will hatcheries, one example would be chinook on the capilano. that program would end.
 
but they already do. the problem is you no not agree and never will or maybe you will agree if Almo takes the samples and uses her lab?

Those of us who post on this Forum will never reach a consensus on the subject no matter what the evidence.
How about this, excerpt from a Toronto Globe and Mail story.
"Dr. Miller classified the disease as HSMI (heart and skeletal muscle inflammation) while Mr. Marty rejected that definition."
"Dr. Marty wrote by avoiding the definition of HSMI in his work the aquaculture industry in B.C. was able to say its fish were not infected with HSMI."

Now that's what I call evading the issue.
Do we have independent testing for HSMI or do we not?
The same Dr. Marty that once said PRV did not exist in B.C. and then claimed he discovered it.
Perhaps Bones, Dave, Shuswap or Birdsnest (or perhaps Wildmanyeah, as he seems to be good at digging up stuff) can provide a site showing all the disease, sea lice and other parasites testing that is being done on a regular basis, who conducted the test and what were the results.
Round and round it goes...we can only hope B.C. will follow the Washington State example by banning Open Net Pen Fish Farms.
 
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