Commercial fisherman blocking Sportsfisherman at the ramp

[Theb55]

I'm with you. We could do fishing derbies, a fish ladder, etc. other suggestions? Any money left over could be given to enhancement programs.

 

[Englishman]

I would volunteer some time on this. We should see if BCWF or other groups are interested in this. We could focus on the reasearch/analysis part as a step 1, before making the decision to take it to court.

 

[Seafever]

Seems the general rule of thumb is:- if a hali is over 80lb...it's a female (translate:- brood stock).

In the last couple of years there has been growing concern amongst the sporties to possibly "downsize' these hali contests where the hali are upwards of 150lbs. To name names:- the hali contest annually off Victoria has received flack for promoting catching huge hali. The flack was from recreational fisherman in the interests of conservation/sustainability.

I have yet to hear anything from commies where they the commies are going to voluntarily stop retaining halis' that are over a certain size.

I'm a sporty. How many hali have I caught in the last ten years?......zero.

How many pounds of hali have I purchased from anywhere in the last ten years?........zero...it's too expensive.

 

[Derby]

I would volunteer some time on this. We should see if BCWF or other groups are interested in this. We could focus on the reasearch/analysis part as a step 1, before making the decision to take it to court.

I would suggest this first....Since they have been your number #1 advocate group in the halibut issue

 

[Whole in the Water]

Originally Posted by Englishman I would volunteer some time on this. We should see if BCWF or other groups are interested in this. We could focus on the reasearch/analysis part as a step 1, before making the decision to take it to court.

I would suggest this first....Since they have been your number #1 advocate group in the halibut issue

Seems like we have a few like minded folks here. What about getting together sometime soon and talking about this about more? I'm in.

 

[capt hook]

Only reason it is that bad elsewhere is because the commies were left unchecked and unchallenged for too long and then it was too late,

how much do we need?
To answer that. we need as much as we need to ensure that all Canadian needs are met. once conservation, first nations, sport and domestic market needs are met IF there id any left then the commies can have some to export. Not before. It is by putting the export market ahead of the others mentioned that will ensure that we get to just what you described.

I,m sure glad your not running the country with those "commie" ideals.
we would all be living in the trailer park with you.
cut only enough trees for canadian houses , only enough gold mined for canadian wallets , only enough wheat farmed for canadian bread.
lol .....your dreaming technocolour.
I love sport fishing and want it to continue as much as you do , but , there is and are too many abusing all the limits and there is zero accountability.
Ive seen it all over the coast , Port Hardy is a joke with Americans and Canadians abusing the limits and no one saying anything .
Masset dock , Ukee , Tofino , Winter harbour , Prince Rupert.
I know it , you know it and dfo knows it. The lodges actually are keeping it legit and makesure the customers adhere to the limits , but the public docks are a free for all.
If we dont get this under control , and we continue to turn a blind eye to it and dont start policing it. We will get what we deserve. And if you dont like it now , you will surely not like what some politicians and dfo beauracrats want to do. Accountability , everyfish counted , and if we cannot do this we will loss are priviledges.

 

[GLG]

cptn kook
Well if you think like this your are not as informed as you believe.

Truth is the comm sector has found ways around the 100% verified catch for many years.
From the freezing of the on board camera to the paid bribes of off load officials.
Many a China ships have been spotted with comm halibut boats off loading there catch offshore.
DFO and RCMP have ongoing cases with suspected comm halibut fishers under surveillance at present.


Sound about right? my statements are as valid as yours.

Your statements sound like they are coming from a deck hand not a capt.
GLG

 

[Gunsmith]

Well cap'n capitalism is un-equal sharing of the wealth and socialism is equal sharing of the misery. Which one are you?

I,m sure glad your not running the country with those "commie" ideals.
we would all be living in the trailer park with you.
cut only enough trees for canadian houses , only enough gold mined for canadian wallets , only enough wheat farmed for canadian bread.
lol .....your dreaming technocolour.
I love sport fishing and want it to continue as much as you do , but , there is and are too many abusing all the limits and there is zero accountability.
Ive seen it all over the coast , Port Hardy is a joke with Americans and Canadians abusing the limits and no one saying anything .
Masset dock , Ukee , Tofino , Winter harbour , Prince Rupert.
I know it , you know it and dfo knows it. The lodges actually are keeping it legit and makesure the customers adhere to the limits , but the public docks are a free for all.
If we dont get this under control , and we continue to turn a blind eye to it and dont start policing it. We will get what we deserve. And if you dont like it now , you will surely not like what some politicians and dfo beauracrats want to do. Accountability , everyfish counted , and if we cannot do this we will loss are priviledges.

 

[Last Chance]

I,m sure glad your not running the country with those "commie" ideals.
we would all be living in the trailer park with you.
cut only enough trees for canadian houses , only enough gold mined for canadian wallets , only enough wheat farmed for canadian bread.
lol .....your dreaming technocolour.
I love sport fishing and want it to continue as much as you do , but , there is and are too many abusing all the limits and there is zero accountability.
Ive seen it all over the coast , Port Hardy is a joke with Americans and Canadians abusing the limits and no one saying anything .
Masset dock , Ukee , Tofino , Winter harbour , Prince Rupert.
I know it , you know it and dfo knows it. The lodges actually are keeping it legit and makesure the customers adhere to the limits , but the public docks are a free for all.
If we dont get this under control , and we continue to turn a blind eye to it and dont start policing it. We will get what we deserve. And if you dont like it now , you will surely not like what some politicians and dfo beauracrats want to do. Accountability , everyfish counted , and if we cannot do this we will loss are priviledges.

We have a very functional law enforcement system that deals with anyone who breaks the law. The catching power of the sport fleet is nothing compared to the commercial sector. DFO has creel surveys, areal fly overs, and log books. The rec sector is very well accounted for. It is the mandate of DFO to police the recreational sector, if somehow they fail that, allocating a public resource to private entitites for perpetuity does not protect the resource.. They will be held accountable, as is being shown in the Cohen commision.

If anyone is breaking the law, they are dealt with just as in any other case.

I'm still not clear on how this is a conservation issue? Do you have some statistics that Canada is going over it's TAC? I'd like some reliable statistics that the rec sector is going over it's TAC, go down to Pedder Bay, or Esquimalt Anglers, I'll bet 2 out of 5 boats actually have a halibut.

Remember, 85/15 has nothing to do with conservation, Canada's TAC issued by the IPHC takes care of conservation.

The latest spin is interesting, now it's lodges and guides that are keeping it legit, these are the same big bad guides that are supposed to be running rampant, somehow making a difference in the catch even though they are not fishing, they are providing a boat and rods for recreational fishermen, the same rods and boats that any sport angler has access to. We do not have longlines, better GPS, or better catching power then any other recreational angler on the water. There are only so many rods per boat, and at the end of the day, the limit of a guest on my boat is the same damn limit he would have on his own boat/kayak/fishing dock (Yes, you can catch halibut off of a pier).

So now your argument means that it's joe six pack, wheelin' the ol' K&C down to the launch on the weekend running rampant, pushing the Canadian TAC over the limit by what must be tens, if not twenties of pounds.. (Anyone got the margin of error on the commercial weight surveys, I'll bet it's close to 10% of the REC TAC). Clearly this must be the case. Look on the DFO Charges and Convictions web page, there is ONE charge of a rec angler going over the limit on halibut, and quite frankly, I think they should have handed his butt to him. The bulk of the charges appear to be pertaining to the infallible commercial fishery. In fact, I can't find a single page of charges and convictions where the rec sector comes anywhere close to the commercial sector for contempt of the laws of Canada. And this includes dropping concrete blocks on boat launches that may very well be used in life and death situations

Taken into account some of the above facts based on hard evidence of the DFO charges and convictions media room pertaining to the abuse of the fishery by the commercial sector, the argument against the rec sector is as nutty as squirrel poop..

 

[Whole in the Water]

Not to mention that the commie's couldn't be trusted to be accurate on their catch stats so they now have to be video taped to try to make sure they dont go over. Yup I'm sure ol DFO trusts you guys a whole lot - LOL.

For the last several years the rec sector (through the SFAB and others) has been asking the DFO for better ways to obtain our catch stats, from Hali stamps, tags, annual limits, keeping log books (both guides and sports) and more creel surveys. I Don't see the commercial sector trying to do this!

 

[GLG]

Quota what quota..... me bad
[h=1]Commercial Fisher Fined for Selling Halibut Illegally[/h]http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/media/npress-communique/2010/pr-rp05-eng.htm

[h=1]Halibut fisherman fined $120,000[/h]http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/124028054.html

You see cptn nutbar
When the commercials break the law and get caught the dent in the quota is very large.

Yup the recreational do break the law... we call them poachers.....

 

[Lipripper]

Not to mention that the commie's couldn't be trusted to be accurate on their catch stats so they now have to be video taped to try to make sure they dont go over. Yup I'm sure ol DFO trusts you guys a whole lot - LOL.

I funny one is how many times the cameras "go down" at opportune times...

 

[Englishman]

Originally Posted by Englishman I would volunteer some time on this. We should see if BCWF or other groups are interested in this. We could focus on the reasearch/analysis part as a step 1, before making the decision to take it to court.



Seems like we have a few like minded folks here. What about getting together sometime soon and talking about this about more? I'm in.

WitW, yes I'm interested in meeting to discuss this. Anyone know anything about this organisation and web site??

http://fightforhalibut.wordpress.com/about/

they are based in Kitimat but they seem to have already started down the road of organised opposition to the Halibut 85/15 quota system........

 

[Dogbreath]

Well cap'n capitalism is un-equal sharing of the wealth and socialism is equal sharing of the misery. Which one are you?

LOL!!

Old jokes are Best!

 

[Jencourt]

I,m sure glad your not running the country with those "commie" ideals.
we would all be living in the trailer park with you.
cut only enough trees for canadian houses , only enough gold mined for canadian wallets , only enough wheat farmed for canadian bread.
lol .....your dreaming technocolour.
I love sport fishing and want it to continue as much as you do , but , there is and are too many abusing all the limits and there is zero accountability.
Ive seen it all over the coast , Port Hardy is a joke with Americans and Canadians abusing the limits and no one saying anything .
Masset dock , Ukee , Tofino , Winter harbour , Prince Rupert.
I know it , you know it and dfo knows it. The lodges actually are keeping it legit and makesure the customers adhere to the limits , but the public docks are a free for all.
If we dont get this under control , and we continue to turn a blind eye to it and dont start policing it. We will get what we deserve. And if you dont like it now , you will surely not like what some politicians and dfo beauracrats want to do. Accountability , everyfish counted , and if we cannot do this we will loss are priviledges.

Captain Hook. I welcome intelligent debate and enjoy reading informed and accurate information.
You have failed epically at providing either.

I did not suggest we do not export product, nor did I speak of trees gold or wheat.
What I said very clearly was Canadian needs should be met first. We should not be exporting the overwhelming majority of the exploitable biomass ahead of ensuring Canadian needs are met.
Why should a very short list of people profit from the resource while the rest of Canadians are loosing access and being forced to pay exaggerated and artificially high market prices to enjoy a Canadian resource.

The fact that Halibut runs over 18 bucks a pound at the stores is a direct result of slipper skippers getting rich by setting the price and most of those who actually fish it must pay through the nose to do so. This fish Lord system that is running today has pushed Halibut prices out of reach for many average working class families. It is making it increasingly hard for guides and lodges to make a living, and it is restricting and threatening my right to access the fish., That is the REAL result of your coveted Slipper Skipper fishery DFO has left the other thirty million of us to deal with.

Any argument and reasoning I have heard to date that tries to justify it only ever points to one thing in the end. It is designed to ensure maximum profit for the least amount of people possible.

You can continue to spin it,twist facts. recreate other peoples opinions and facts and down right lie all you like. Non of it will fool people anymore,you know it too and that is why there is more and more of you showing up to try to hold on to what you all know you should not have in the first place.

 

[rook 2]

well said jencourt,you said it all

 

[Charlie]

well said jencourt,you said it all

X2... X3... X4... X5... X6... Should I go on!

 

[Foxsea]

I think me and my buddies will go up to the local gold mine and demand our share of the gold , and go cut down a truck load of nice Fir and Cedar and build a new home and fill the freezer with a Whale and halibut , because we are entitled. wtf?
we can catch several chinook , coho , halibut ,ling cod , rock cod , prawns , crabs, everyday , almost all year long......how much do we need?
we have it good here and now. try to sport catch a lobster in eastern canada or any other fish in most parts of this world as a sportie and see what happens.
if we get too greedy , may end up with a court ruling and get nothing !!! like most other country's in the world.

Lil buddy - R U off your meds AGAIN???

 

[the rook]

hear hear holmsey!!!

 

[capt hook]

the sports fishermens worst enemy , is or are people like Holmes who come onto a open forum read by DFO and say dumb #### about abusing regulations and probably following thru with it.
It hurts us all.
I just hope WHEN you get caught , they will do what they can do and take your TRUCK , BOAT and GEAR and fine you.
Someone shoud reel in this loss canon , he is not helping anyone.