Aquaculture; improving????

this podcast explains the politics behind the scenes within this coalition:
 
9 year transition? Seems a little ridiculous considering the industry has known since 2012 their time is closing. Our wild fish don't have that kind of time left in some areas where the farms have wreaked havoc on them, such as Clayoquot Sound. Some rivers in the Sound are down to single digit returns while the farms struggle with up to 35 sea lice per fish during the out migration.
We can't have both so Canada has to pick, wild or Open Net Pens. We already know BC is 75% in favor of removing farms.

Think these are just north island and bella bella first nations.

Don't think it includes any WCVI first nations
 

100% of salmon farmed in BC today is raised in partnership with coastal First Nations.​

ANISHINABE ALGONQUIN TERRITORY/OTTAWA, ON – Coastal First Nations from British Columbia came to Parliament Hill today to release a new, positive plan for modern, sustainable, in-ocean salmon farming in their traditional territories.

The Coalition of First Nations for Finfish Stewardship (FNFFS) has developed a Nations-led, science-backed, and industry supported plan for salmon aquaculture that is responsible, realistic, and achievable, and will drive the following five outcomes for their rural communities:

  1. Wild salmon revitalization
  2. Economic Reconciliation
  3. An Indigenous-led Blue Economy
  4. Social and ecological well-being for their territories and communities
  5. Food security and affordability for their communities and all Canadians
“As conservationists, our coastal Nations have travelled thousands of kilometres to Parliament Hill to present a solution to what’s been a divisive issue in BC: a real, achievable plan for salmon farming that enables our remote communities to continue to thrive socially, economically, and culturally while working to revitalize wild salmon,” says Dallas Smith, spokesperson for the Coalition.

“We have proven we can be both salmon stewards and salmon farmers in our sovereign territories, and by asserting our rights and title with this comprehensive plan, we fully intend to lead this process to achieve what’s best for our communities,” Smith adds.

Nations that participate in the Coalition span from western and central Vancouver Island to BC’s central coast. They have been working alongside the Department of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard (DFO) and the Province of British Columbia to develop a framework for the modernization of salmon farming in their traditional waters.

The plan announced today ensures that the future of salmon farming in BC is led by the Nations in whose territories the farms operate, while retaining good, sustainable, year-round jobs and building economic and scientific capacity in Indigenous communities. It also integrates the vision for a new Indigenous Centre for Aquatic Health Sciences (iCAHS) based in Campbell River, BC.

“Because of the work and dignity that comes with the salmon farming industry, we have had no suicides in my community of Klemtu for the past 18 years. Think about that,” says Isaiah Robinson, Deputy Chief Councillor for Kitasoo Xai’xais Nation, located 800 km north of Vancouver, on the Central Coast. “My community now has 99 per cent employment and 51% of our income comes from the salmon farming sector. It makes no sense to shut it down. There is no industry that can fill that space.”

With 40% of the fish farms in BC closed in recent years, nearly 400 jobs have already been lost, small businesses have been impacted, and food bank lines are longer in communities like Port Hardy on Northern Vancouver Island. Considering the impact on remote communities, any further decision-making regarding the future of the sector must be done so with Rightsholder Nations at the table, and with their communities top of mind, says Smith.

“With new technology and best practices, and the guardianship and monitoring of our Nations, the salmon farming industry is even more modern than it was 10 or even five years ago. Salmon farmers have innovated far more quickly than any other industry I work with, and at our request,” adds Smith, “But our Nations want to keep working with the industry to truly elevate the potential of our rich marine spaces. To do that, we need the government to also partner with us sit together at the table to implement this plan for modern, sustainable, in-ocean salmon farming that provides a realistic solution for our Nations.”

“If Canada is going to walk the talk on true reconciliation, I think every Canadian would agree that the future of modern salmon farming in BC must be shaped by the coastal First Nations in whose territories the farms are located.”

Additional Information:​

The FNFFS plan titled, “Indigenous-led Finfish Aquaculture Transition Framework” has been delivered to new DFO Minister Diane Lebouthillier last week, and requires specific commitments to succeed, including:

  • Government investment in territory-specific Indigenous-led science, technology, and stewardship.
  • Greater investment and broader, territory-specific siting and implementation of new barrier and monitoring technologies.
    The completion of social and economic impact studies in First Nations communities to understand the significance of the presence of the modern salmon-farming sector.
  • Greater trust and transparency in data-sharing between DFO, industry, ENGOs and First Nations.
  • The creation of a new Indigenous Centre for Aquatic Health Sciences (ICAHS) in Campbell River to unite western science and Traditional Knowledge in modern scientific methods, as well as provide a coastal training centre for Guardian Watchmen and scientific capacity building for Indigenous communities.
  • The immediate renewal of long-term salmon farm licensing (9 years) for investment security and growth.
 
Going to get interesting. Some nations want them and are willing to continuously improve them and reduce interactions with wild fish all while being involved in science. What do you think the Minister will do.
 
This current Fisheries Minister will do whatever the drama teacher tells her to do. That's why she was cherry-picked - both for her inexperience/ignorance, as well as her "pure lang" association with "la belle Gaspésie" voters. It means there will be minimal boat-rocking until after the next election.
 
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What would be the weight of 800,000 herring? Trying to gage what impact that may be compared to other by catch in other fisheries. Is it a few tons or actually something that may be significant.
 
What would be the weight of 800,000 herring? Trying to gage what impact that may be compared to other by catch in other fisheries. Is it a few tons or actually something that may be significant.

I think somewhere between 50-150 tons but commercial fishing is closed on WCVI.

WCVI: Closed to commercial harvest. The WCVI stock persisted in a low biomass, low productivity state from approximately 2004 to 2014. In recent years there has been a slow increasing trend, as well as improved performance in the MSE simulations. However, given persistent low biomass relative to historic levels, as well as an only recent trend of slow rebuilding, this area will remain closed to support rebuilding. The spawning biomass in 2023 is forecast to be 22,375 short tons (range: 11,425-44,181 tons) and below the LRP with a 15%probability in the absence of fishing.

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I guess it would depend if they are juvenile or adult herring as the size and weight range would be important determining the tonnage as impacts to the herring population. Impacts and by catch should always be minimized in all fisheries. Just trying to wrap my head around if this is a huge problem or Stan being chicken little.
 
I guess it would depend if they are juvenile or adult herring as the size and weight range would be important determining the tonnage as impacts to the herring population. Impacts and by catch should always be minimized in all fisheries. Just trying to wrap my head around if this is a huge problem or Stan being chicken little.

well i think you have to be pretty ignorant to see a herring ball outside your window and be like, okay boys fire up slice. So if that's what he witnessed its pretty bad.

That being said almost 3 times as much is being used for bait for sports fishing.

That's why some ENGOs are pushing for it to be closed

 
What would be the weight of 800,000 herring? Trying to gage what impact that may be compared to other by catch in other fisheries. Is it a few tons or actually something that may be significant.
Depends on the age class. Adult spawning herring are ~300-400g, subadults are ~100-200g. If we use 300g as an average - that's 240 metric tonnes or 265 short tons..
 
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240 tonnes, when total west coast commercial catch is 0. I am sure it will be justified by fish farmers, and if sea lice are not an issue why do they have barges to deal with sea lice?
 
as I mentioned, WMY - it depends on the age class - and that shifts seasonally.

I agree the more recent CC populations seem to have lost their large spawners and the size range is truncated. If that is due to MM predation, it's likely the WCVI stocks will fare worse (be smaller). If it is a gillnet artifact - WCVI stocks should be larger than CC stocks.

Typically, most places - March/April is when you see more spawning adult herring - but that spawn can continue into June in some areas. Where you are on the Coast will dictate how adjacent you are to key prime herring spawning locations.

Typically, again - the near outer coast with adjacent kelp beds & eelgrass beds is more prime spawning areas; while the more inner parts of inlets are more juvenile herring rearing areas. Juvies are more stationary than adults, as well - eating & growing. That may make them likely more susceptible to wild/cultured stock interactions (diseases & parasites) in places like Clayoquot Sound - like the juvie Chinook are. Juvie Chinook would more likely interact with the ONP at the front of Clayoquot Sound, though.

So, where the ONP is located will affect what herring end up in their nets. And one would think that the herring entered thru the nets at a smaller size and if not eaten by the Atlantic salmon - managed to eat and grow. The size of the herring in the pens could be less than the ~300g adult weight. Ya, WMY - I looked at one pic provided of a few herring from one pen - and if that was in any way representative of rest of the ~800K - ya, likely they are more in the 100-150g range. If we had an average of the fork lengths - it'd be easy to estimate weights.

So, length of time since entering the pens, the length of time that pen has been growing Atlantics and the subsequent timing of harvest also plays into this estimation of size of herring when run thru the hydrolicer.

More factors to consider - how solid is that 800000 estimate? What are the limits of error? Is this an estimate for all sites year-round - or just surveyed sites during the sampling? Was this self-reporting - or from a third party? The industry has been caught under-reporting both sea lice and escapees in the past.
 
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Saw the news. The herring were small and mostly from one event. People find it hard to beleive that herring live in the pens and don't get eaten.... then get sucked into hydro licers. Seems not to be an ongoing issue eventhough chicken little seems to think so. Maybe not a major issue for people to oppose fish farms. ..... but more will be brought up I'm sure. I don't think it will a major impact on herring populations but efforts should be made so it does not happen again.
 
If we are going down the “incidental catch“ rabbit hole, I think it best to understand the Conditions of Licence for marine finfish aquaculture and the definitions therein. https://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/aquac...docs/licence-cond-permis-mar/index-eng.html#8
It will then become easier to understand how herring are allowed to be so mishandled during a hydrolicer operation.
Good point, cuttle!

After ONPFF aquaculture was ruled to be a "fishery" in the Morton (2009) case - DFO purportedly mirrored the Conditions of Licence (CoLs) used for commercial fisheries - except they didn't. They had no intention to similarly restrict the ONPFF aquaculture licence holders.

The industry told them what they wanted and what they didn't want - and the confused and conflicted managers in DFO Aquaculture followed only what the industry told them to do - yet again as always. Some might even go so far as to claim corruption in DFO Aquaculture management.

Yet again myopically confused about what their legislated job was - to protect wild fish - not act as backroom cheerleaders for their buddies in the industry. And we have seen pages and pages of this on this thread from ATIPS.

Current language in the CoLs are not prescriptive enough for enforcement actions on sea lice levels, even though fines are now used within the Fisheries Act w/o having to inject offenses into CoLs: https://www.canada.ca/en/fisheries-...nor-fishery-offences-subject-to-a-ticket.html

Currently no wild fish monitoring is prescribed in the CoL to assess effectiveness of management actions.

In many similar "fisheries" (e.g. prawn, groundfish & crab) licence holders are compelled in the CoLs to install AIS and cameras and to employ and pay for 3rd party dockside observers like Archipelago. Salmon licence holders use JO Thomas, as well.

And if they are out of compliance with the CoLS - they don't get to hail-out and go fishing.

*NOT* the ONPFF aquaculture licence holders tho - they have been exempt from the same rigid requirements that other fisheries have to use since inception and for all the many years so far under DFO's purported & biased management. This is no mistake. This is deliberate. This is an abandonment of fiduciary duty.
 
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