CCFR Supported Firearm Ownership Poll

[IronNoggin]

Following a reading of yesterday’s regulation banning a swath of semi-automatic firearms and a briefing with officials from Public Safety, CBSA, Global Affairs, RCMP and the Department of Justice, it was made abundantly clear that the regulations were crafted in haste, and that the government has neither planned nor formulated the rest of the legislation required to implement their hastily crafted policy. As a result, the regulation is both flawed and dangerous.

During the briefing the government could not answer simple questions about the methods used for selection, why bolt action firearms were included on the list, why some shotguns are caught in the bore diameter restrictions, why some rimfire firearms are listed contrary to the selection criteria, and on and on. They also stated that the government, on behalf of the Governor in Council, has deemed the list of firearms banned as “not suitable for hunting or sport shooting”, but simultaneously provided an exemption for indigenous owners for the purpose of hunting. Further, this is contrary to the decades-long history of these very firearms being safely used for hunting and sport shooting.
This entire regulation bears the mark of an irrational process done in haste, and it divides Canadians.

https://firearmrights.ca/en/ccfr-calls-for-blairs-removal/

 

[IronNoggin]

The decision to spend $600 million to pay legal and licenced gun owners to hand over their rifles — rifles never used in crimes — means that the Trudeau government has decided to spend almost double on disarming law-abiding gun owners as they will combating the real problem of guns and gangs.

Did I mention that they also banned already illegal rocket launchers plus listed a website and a Facebook chat group on the list of banned guns? The whole thing was clearly put together by people without a clue.

None of this matters to the prime minister, he made it clear with his language and actions that he wants to be seen doing something – whether it helps or not.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-premiers-tee-off-on-trudeaus-gun-ban

 

[fogged in]

I can't think of one good reason why a member of the public should have or needs “military-style assault weapons.”
This decision by our Government is both politically and morally right and will be supported by the majority of Canadians.
Should have been done years ago!

 

[Chuck]

The sheep are falling into line:

Half of Canadians in cities support full ban on firearms: Ipsos poll

Anyone else happen to think this came on incredibility fast?

Nog

Then ban the people "in the cities" that vote for it, not the whole country!!
And why does what the east want have anything to do with what we want in the west and that we have to have this garbage shoved down our throats??!!

 

[IronNoggin]

I can't think of one good reason why a member of the public should have or needs “military-style assault weapons.”

Please define “military-style assault weapons".
While you are at it, please enlighten us as to how the bolt action rifles, shotguns, rim-fire rifles, a website and a Facebook group (all on their list) meet that particular smell test.

Thank you in advance.

Nog

 

[Tom Mac]

I wonder if the higher numbers in the polls in the larger cities back east have anything to do with " New Canadians" from war torn countries?

 

[fogged in]

Please define “military-style assault weapons".
While you are at it, please enlighten us as to how the bolt action rifles, shotguns, rim-fire rifles, a website and a Facebook group (all on their list) meet that particular smell test.
Thank you in advance.
Nog

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/read-the-full-list-of-military-style-guns-now-banned-in-canada

 

[IronNoggin]

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/read-the-full-list-of-military-style-guns-now-banned-in-canada

I am WELL aware of what is listed.
That is NOT what I asked of you.

Nog

 

[Pippen]

Done. Knee jerk reaction. Awful what happened in NS but he was going to get a gun(s) regardless.

 

[wildmanyeah]

While you are at it, please enlighten us as to how the bolt action rifles, shotguns, rim-fire rifles, a website and a Facebook group (all on their list) meet that particular smell test.

what manual bolt action guns did they ban?

 

[wildmanyeah]

what are you not going to be able to do now that you could do before?

 

[IronNoggin]

The BCWF encourages members impacted by this ban to write to your MP

https://bcwf.bc.ca/initiatives/your-firearms-rights/

 

[Rain City]

what are you not going to be able to do now that you could do before?

Look cooler shooting.

 

[Foxsea]

Please define “military-style assault weapons".
Nog

I think we all have a pretty good idea what is meant but a military style assault weapon includes assault rifles:
The Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, magazine-fed, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges." They often include a high capacity magazine, a pistol grip, a collapsible stock, a ventilated barrel and can be fitted for a flash suppressor. They are often colored black. The cliche example is the Armalite AR15.

 

[IronNoggin]

I think we all have a pretty good idea what is meant but a military style assault weapon includes assault rifles:
The Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, magazine-fed, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges." They often include a high capacity magazine, a pistol grip, a collapsible stock, a ventilated barrel and can be fitted for a flash suppressor. They are often colored black. The cliche example is the Armalite AR15.

Wasn't you I asked, but thanks anyway.

By definition, those firearms have been PROHIBITED in Canada for longer than most here have even been alive.Full stop.

The Armalite AR 15 was designed as a TARGET and HUNTING rifle. It is by NO means "the cliche". Period.
It is a semi-automatic, and restricted to a five round magazine in Canada. NOT an "assault rifle" whatsoever.
In fact, the ones I own are highly precise target and competition rifles.
A FAR cry from "assault" machine guns.

I know several experienced rifleman that can produce a faster rate of fire, with devastatingly heavier calibers, from pump or bolt action rifles than most on their list. Reality.

Nog

 

[wildmanyeah]

Funny arguments I seen online I particularly like all the ones saying they should not ban all these guns because they did not ban the sks and it the same.

To witch I respond oh they forgot one?

Kinda like nogs augument it’s not an assault weapon. it’s a highly precise semiautomatic rifle that has a five round magazine.

Oh well that’s comforting

I’m on the pro gun owners side but their PR sills are horrible.

 

[ryanb]

Don't get bogged down by semantics of what is and is not being banned. Look at the cost of doing this, money that would go infinitely further in the hands of police to enforce existing laws. Instead we are going to lose billions in taxpayer (YOUR MONEY, FOR THOSE THAT THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA) confiscating formerly perfectly legal guns from responsible licensed gun owners, for absolutely no benefit. Does one need an AR15, no but it's an enjoyable rifle to shoot at the range. Do you need cigarettes, no but the government recognizes your freedom to smoke them if you wish, even though they WILL harm you. It's called friggin freedom people, I don't think you should be smoking cigarettes but I'm not out there campaigning to have them banned.

 

[Foxsea]

Wasn't you I asked, but thanks anyway.

By definition, those firearms have been PROHIBITED in Canada for longer than most here have even been alive.Full stop.

The Armalite AR 15 was designed as a TARGET and HUNTING rifle. It is by NO means "the cliche". Period.
It is a semi-automatic, and restricted to a five round magazine in Canada. NOT an "assault rifle" whatsoever.
In fact, the ones I own are highly precise target and competition rifles.
A FAR cry from "assault" machine guns.

I know several experienced rifleman that can produce a faster rate of fire, with devastatingly heavier calibers, from pump or bolt action rifles than most on their list. Reality.

Nog

You know better than to say this. ^^^
Check your history on the AR15 rifles!

ArmaLite first developed the AR-15 in the late 1950s as a military rifle, but had limited success in selling it. In 1959 the company sold the design to Colt.

General Curtis LeMay saw a demonstration of the Colt AR-15 in 1960. Impressed by the prowess of this new firearm, when General LeMay became the Air Force Chief of Staff in the Summer of 1961, he placed 80,000 AR-15's on order for the U.S. Air Force. In 1963, the U.S. military selected Colt to manufacture the AR15 automatic rifle that soon became the standard issue for U.S. troops in the early days of the Vietnam War. It was later modified and dubbed the M-16.

Armed with that success, Colt ramped up production of a civilian, semiautomatic version of the M-16 that it sold to law enforcement and the public, marketing it again as the AR-15. When Colt's patents for the AR-15 expired in the 1970s, other manufacturers began making similar models. Those gun makers gave the weapons their own names, yet the popularity of the AR-15 turned it into a generic term for all types of AR-15-style rifles.

For more than a half-century, the AR-15 had been popular among gun owners, inexpensive and widely available in gun stores and for many years it even appeared in the Sears catalog. Tragically, over the past decade, the AR-15 and its offshoots have been used in many of America's worst mass shootings. This has reignited the debate about their widespread availability.

The major U.S. retailer, Dick's Sporting Goods recently announced that it would no longer sell these assault-style weapons.
"I'm a gun owner myself," Ed Stack, the company's chief executive officer, told ABC's Good Morning America. But, he added, "We've just decided that based on what's happened and with these guns, we don't want to be part of this story."

 

[Rain City]

Don't get bogged down by semantics of what is and is not being banned. Look at the cost of doing this, money that would go infinitely further in the hands of police to enforce existing laws. Instead we are going to lose billions in taxpayer (YOUR MONEY, FOR THOSE THAT THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA) confiscating formerly perfectly legal guns from responsible licensed gun owners, for absolutely no benefit. Does one need an AR15, no but it's an enjoyable rifle to shoot at the range. Do you need cigarettes, no but the government recognizes your freedom to smoke them if you wish, even though they WILL harm you. It's called friggin freedom people, I don't think you should be smoking cigarettes but I'm not out there campaigning to have them banned.

Best argument I've heard yet

 

[halimark]

No wonder Canada is in the state we are in. There are even "dumbed downs" writing on this post. Cant believe what I am reading, ignorance and people who would stand by and agree with a Gov taking your property because they want to. Lets not even use democracy. I don't like "fast cars", when my party gets in, any vehicle that can go faster than the speed limit, well I will get an OIC and confiscate, or you could destroy, or park for 2 years then I will pay you some unknown amount that I decide. More people are killed by those who choose to speed than the crazies and illegals who use guns. No science, no saving lives and no common sense, no real financial sense either or those would understand the impact and lives saved by giving the dollars to those who need it. LAW ENFORCEMENT.

Lets remember= outlaw guns and only outlaws will own guns.

HM