Fish Farms

[Birdsnest]

I know my memory gets a bit worse w age - but it's not as bad as some appear to be on here. That little box in the upper right corner of each forum webpage is called a search box. It's pretty helpful. try:

https://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/index.php?posts/857171/
https://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/index.php?threads/fish-farms.68678/page-7#post-866858

and especially:
https://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/index.php?posts/857728/
https://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/index.php?posts/866863/

Nice deflection aa. Thanks for demonstrating that I never have quoted Kristy Miller on sea lice as you suggested. That is clear now. So can you refute her comments in the video about sea lice or are you going to continue with your "look over there" antics as you have with all your 4 isa links which by the way Millar clearly disagrees with you as well. One thing at a time tho. I was showing millers comments on sea lice where she says the majority of sea lice are found on wild salmon and this is the result of wild salmon passing through the estuaries which farm salmon do not.

 

[bones]

I know my memory gets a bit worse w age - but it's not as bad as some appear to be on here. That little box in the upper right corner of each forum webpage is called a search box. It's pretty helpful. try:

https://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/index.php?posts/857171/
https://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/index.php?threads/fish-farms.68678/page-7#post-866858

and especially:
https://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/index.php?posts/857728/
https://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/index.php?posts/866863/

Thanks for the old posts AA, it reminds me if disease is running rampant thro the farms like you indicate then how many or what percentage of fish are dying? Tho question was asked by Wildman and Dave in those posts and yet this question is ignored. Is there and answer yet or are you still waiting for the science to be wrapped up and published. Been waiting for 20-40 years now

 

[GLG]

Thats not what Kristy Millar says about where lice comes from. In this video at 29:10 she clearly states that the majority of sealice is contracted in the mouths of rivers.

That's not what she said. Oh and would you like to explain what you meant by these two old posts?

No, no link. It is basic knowledge that where there are areas that have low salinity available to a fish population sea lice populations are pretty much ZERO. This situation certainly does exist on in a number of salmon farms in bc. I am confident that charlie and englishman will agree with me on this but in a public forum? Not so sure. We'll see. Naturally, in these circumstances treatments for lice are not necessary.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sealice+salinity

 

[Birdsnest]

That's not what she said. Oh and would you like to explain what you meant by these two old posts?

Lol thats not what she said. Word for word. You got me there however the what she says is basically what I said. If she was saying something different from what I was saying you would certainly be highlighting it however what you have done is said "thats not what she said". Word for word you are correct.

 

[fogged in]

Lol thats not what she said. Word for word. You got me there however the what she says is basically what I said. If she was saying something different from what I was saying you would certainly be highlighting it however what you have done is said "thats not what she said". Word for word you are correct.

He said, she said, they said, we said, Fish Farm science, other science what a discussion!!
What is your bottom line Birdsnest????
Yes, Fish Farms get their sea lice from the open ocean and Wild salmon...agreed?
Fish Farms are subject to MAJOR outbreaks of Sea Lice . "Sea lice epidemics plague the Atlantic salmon farming industry worldwide. Each year outbreaks cost the global industry over $1 billion.”...agreed?
The only question worth asking is ;
"Do Fish Farm Sea Lice spread to wild salmon smolts that come into a close proximity of the Pens"
AND "are these Sea Lice concentrations responsible for ANY wild salmon deaths???"
The Fish Farm industry have stated in the past they try to treat their Sea Lice to keep minimum exposure to Wild Salmon smolts when you are passing their farms. agreed?
Most will agree some wild salmon will die from coming into contact with Fish Farm Sea Lice concentrations the question is 'HOW MANY" agreed??
Or do you have a different take on the problem of Fish Farm Sea Lice?
AND going to the Virus and Disease debate is another endless topic!! agreed??

 

[Birdsnest]

In the video she says, and I am quoting now "parasite infections are way more common in wild fish than they are in farm fish".

 

[GLG]

In the video she says, and I am quoting now "parasite infections are way more common in wild fish than they are in farm fish".

Yes ..... she is referring to virus and bacteria, after all the video is called "Disease and Pathogens in Wild and Farmed Salmon"
The description is "Dr. Kristi Miller, federal scientist, talks about her experiences being muzzled by the previous government. She also discusses her salmon research which focuses on viruses, bacteria and diseases of wild and farmed salmon."

I can see why you might have included sea lice but that's not the case, simple mistake let's move on.

 

[agentaqua]

Yes ..... she is referring to virus and bacteria, after all the video is called "Disease and Pathogens in Wild and Farmed Salmon"... simple mistake let's move on.

"mistake" - I think NOT. Been an unfortunate history of that particular poster misquoting Kristi and taking her comments out of context - then asking the same questions over and over again - then getting answers - and then pretending the questions weren't answered. BUT - like you say GLG "moving on" - I am moving on so far as ignoring that stale bait trolled ad nauseum.

 

[Birdsnest]

I see what you two are getting at so Ill leave it at that for now until I can gather more information on that part of KM presentation. However Im not sure were GLG gets she is talking about viruses and bacteria in the portion of the video I am highlighting. The graph she uses clearly states "parasite infections are generally more common in juvenile migratory salmon than in farmed salmon". What part of this has anything to do with viruses or bacteria???

 

[wildmanyeah]

Sea lice are marine ectoparasites (external parasites)

Is she only referring to internal parasites?

Or is she refering to the infections brought on by parasites like sea lice?

As fogged in stated it’s clear sea lice on fish farms are a concern. Not sure their is much to debate about.

 

[Birdsnest]

Sea lice are marine ectoparasites (external parasites)

Is she only referring to internal parasites?

Or is she refering to the infections brought on by parasites like sea lice?

As fogged in stated it’s clear sea lice on fish farms are a concern. Not sure their is much to debate about.

Those are questions I am working on addressing. Im not trying to make any blankets statements that others are suggesting. When I first posted about this, suggesting KM's presentation was about sea lice, I was WRONG. Now I have some questions.

 

[wildmanyeah]

Sea lice can/are regulated and DFO is doing a **** pro job on the file.

They are doing a **** poor job regulating a lot of environmental waste.

Fish farms have lost public trust and that’s why most people in bc want the industry gone.

I personally em enjoying the fact that engo are spending millions fighting fish farms.

Not sure where they would put that money if fish farms are Gone. Maybe the whales know...

 

[Birdsnest]

The parasites on the panel are:
Ceratomyxa shasta

Facilispora margolisi

Gyrodactylus salaris

Ichthyophonus hoferi

Ichthyophthirius multifiliis

Kudoa thyrsites

Loma salmonae

Microsporidium cerebralis

Myxobolus arcticus

Myxobolus cerebralis

Myxobolus insidiosus

Nanophyetus salmincola

Neoparamoeba perurans

Nucleospora salmonis

Desmozoon lepeophtherii (aka Paranucleospora theridion)

Parvicapsula kabatai

Parvicapsula minibicornis

Parvicapsula pseudobranchicola

Sphaerothecum destructens

Spironucleus salmonicida

Tetracapsuloides bryosalmonae

"The names in the figure reflect the first two letters of the genus name (e.g. Ceratonova = Ce_) and last three letters of the genus name (Shasta = sha). If the names above are not reflected we did not detect them. The y-axis is prevalence (percentage detection) in the species of interest. The stars represent parasites we first detect in freshwater, the notations “mortality” are agents that have been associated with migratory survival in tracking studies, and “predation” reflect agents that have been associated with higher risk of predation."

So in my own words I was wrong to include sea lice.

But the information is still interesting. I think that it just doesn't fit the narrative that AA and GLG prefer so the aggressively avoid correcting me using the actual information choosing to instead discredit my posts with misinformation, IE
"Yes ..... she is referring to virus and bacteria, after all the video is called "Disease and Pathogens in Wild and Farmed Salmon"
And the part about constantly miss representing Miller.

 

[california]

Kind of a big difference as you would expect wild fish to have more internal parasites since they feed on living organisms that

The parasites on the panel are:
Ceratomyxa shasta

Facilispora margolisi

Gyrodactylus salaris

Ichthyophonus hoferi

Ichthyophthirius multifiliis

Kudoa thyrsites

Loma salmonae

Microsporidium cerebralis

Myxobolus arcticus

Myxobolus cerebralis

Myxobolus insidiosus

Nanophyetus salmincola

Neoparamoeba perurans

Nucleospora salmonis

Desmozoon lepeophtherii (aka Paranucleospora theridion)

Parvicapsula kabatai

Parvicapsula minibicornis

Parvicapsula pseudobranchicola

Sphaerothecum destructens

Spironucleus salmonicida

Tetracapsuloides bryosalmonae

"The names in the figure reflect the first two letters of the genus name (e.g. Ceratonova = Ce_) and last three letters of the genus name (Shasta = sha). If the names above are not reflected we did not detect them. The y-axis is prevalence (percentage detection) in the species of interest. The stars represent parasites we first detect in freshwater, the notations “mortality” are agents that have been associated with migratory survival in tracking studies, and “predation” reflect agents that have been associated with higher risk of predation."

So in my own words I was wrong to include sea lice.

But the information is still interesting. I think that it just doesn't fit the narrative that AA and GLG prefer so the aggressively avoid correcting me using the actual information choosing to instead discredit my posts with misinformation, IE
"Yes ..... she is referring to virus and bacteria, after all the video is called "Disease and Pathogens in Wild and Farmed Salmon"
And the part about constantly miss representing Miller.

 

[california]

You would expect higher internal parasite loads in native wild fish that eat other live organisms and travel widely exposing them to naturally occurring internal parasite vectors vs farmed fish eating a sterilized diet. Sea lice are a different issue being motile and seeking out hosts without their eggs or larvae having to be consumed to be spread.

 

[fogged in]

The parasites on the panel are:
Ceratomyxa shastaFacilispora margolisiGyrodactylus salarisIchthyophonus hoferiIchthyophthirius multifiliisKudoa thyrsites
Loma salmonaeMicrosporidium cerebralisMyxobolus arcticusMyxobolus cerebralisMyxobolus insidiosusNanophyetus salmincola
Neoparamoeba peruransNucleospora salmonisDesmozoon lepeophtherii (aka Paranucleospora theridion)Parvicapsula kabataiParvicapsula minibicornisParvicapsula pseudobranchicolaSphaerothecum destructensSpironucleus salmonicidaTetracapsuloides bryosalmona"The names in the figure reflect the first two letters of the genus name (e.g. Ceratonova = Ce_) and last three letters of the genus name (Shasta = sha).
If the names above are not reflected we did not detect them. The y-axis is prevalence (percentage detection) in the species of interest. The stars represent parasites we first detect in freshwater, the notations “mortality” are agents that have been associated with migratory survival in tracking studies, and “predation” reflect agents that have been associated with higher risk of predation."
So in my own words I was wrong to include sea lice.
But the information is still interesting. I think that it just doesn't fit the narrative that AA and GLG prefer so the aggressively avoid correcting me using the actual information choosing to instead discredit my posts with misinformation, IE
"Yes ..... she is referring to virus and bacteria, after all the video is called "Disease and Pathogens in Wild and Farmed Salmon"
And the part about constantly miss representing Miller.

OMG
Birdsnest is knowledgeable and he seems to love a debate. Fair enough.
But he seems unwilling to acknowledge undisputable evidence that Open Net Atlantic Fish Farm Sea Lice are a serious problem and do impact Wild Pacific Salmon.
This is not unusual with the three or four aggressive Fish Farm supporters on this forum.
Could his post above simply be another so often seen deflection???

 

[Rockfish]

OMG
Birdsnest in knowledgeable and he seems to love a debate. Fair enough.
But he seems unwilling to acknowledge undisputable evidence that Open Net Atlantic Fish Farm Sea Lice are a serious problem and do impact Wild Pacific Salmon.
This is not unusual with the three or four aggressive Fish Farm supporters on this forum.
Could his post above simply be another so often seen deflection???

You do know he works for the industry in management? Virtually all of the hard core industry supporters that monitor and maintain a constant presence on this site have direct or indirect connections to the industry.

 

[wildmanyeah]

You do know he works for the industry in management? Virtually all of the hard core industry supporters that monitor and maintain a constant presence on this site have direct or indirect connections to the industry.

Like who
And what?

 

[Rockfish]

Like who
And what?

If you can't work that out on your own you have not been paying attention.

 

[wildmanyeah]

If you can't work that out on your own you have not been paying attention.

Well I know you are refering to me, Dave and bones.

So what are our affiliations?