Conservation Measures for Northern and Southern BC Chinook Salmon and Southern Resident Killer Whale

They absolutely have done a far better job than any sport fishing advocates or NGOs.

I'm a big fan of the Pacific Salmon Foundation. I think they fund actual science and actual projects to help salmon. They don't just have temper tantrum protests at MLA/MP's offices. They're absolutely supportive of a sport fishing base. So I support them, and chip in a few bucks here and there. But when we go look at their facebook, twitter, youtube, or instagram pages, and see how many people like and follow them? It's a drop in the bucket when compared to the envirobullies pages. So who's message gets out fast, further and deeper? Who controls the narrative here? Who has more influence over public policy?

An effort to subvert these groups, with a #feedthewhales campaign will completely take advantage of that social media presence and standing.
 
Well not a single sighting of the southern resident whales in front of the house yet, good thing it's closed now to protect them, job well done
 
Well not a single sighting of the southern resident whales in front of the house yet, good thing it's closed now to protect them, job well done
I just got back from boating from Otter Point to Sheringham Point and back. No one fishing there, of course, but there were a very large number of killer whales. More than I’ve ever seen when I’ve fished out there. I don’t know what pod they were or anything like that. Seemed like there were several different groups and many in each one. Interesting.
 
Just spoke to a FN friend...the best netting they have seen in the last 10 years....all fish over 18lbs with some 35lb+ fish in the mix. Sounds like a few sockeye in the mix as well. Heard everything is getting sold now because they have caught to many the last few days!!

And DFO just keeps giving them more openings !
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CommunalOpeningTimes.html
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CeremonialOpeningTimes.html
 
They absolutely have done a far better job than any sport fishing advocates or NGOs.

I'm a big fan of the Pacific Salmon Foundation. I think they fund actual science and actual projects to help salmon. They don't just have temper tantrum protests at MLA/MP's offices. They're absolutely supportive of a sport fishing base. So I support them, and chip in a few bucks here and there. But when we go look at their facebook, twitter, youtube, or instagram pages, and see how many people like and follow them? It's a drop in the bucket when compared to the envirobullies pages. So who's message gets out fast, further and deeper? Who controls the narrative here? Who has more influence over public policy?

An effort to subvert these groups, with a #feedthewhales campaign will completely take advantage of that social media presence and standing.
We actually agree on something
 
Just spoke to a FN friend...the best netting they have seen in the last 10 years....all fish over 18lbs with some 35lb+ fish in the mix. Sounds like a few sockeye in the mix as well. Heard everything is getting sold now because they have caught to many the last few days!!

They've caught FOUR chinook this week in the Albion Test fishery.

I think your friend is full of ****.
 

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Your knowledge of what is actually going on in the Fraser shows with your last post. And lower Fraser FN have reported they have killed 420 in the last 4 days compared to the Albions 4 fish.
Using the Albion as an indicator is **** poor at best.
 
Spoke to a group of FN pers while in the bush earlier this week, subject of JDF closure came up, they quickly told me it was a great thing. They have not caught their amounts of salmon in some years, 1 guy stated "he has made no money of Sockeye in 2 years, looking forward to a 2018 windfall". I walked away.

HM
 
Your knowledge of what is actually going on in the Fraser shows with your last post. And lower Fraser FN have reported they have killed 420 in the last 4 days compared to the Albions 4 fish.
Using the Albion as an indicator is **** poor at best.

I have a bookmark for catch reports for FN fishing,

http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/ChinookKeptCatch.html

So yes, 420 have been reported caught. 910 for the year.

This report gives a geographical location of where the fish are being caught. Not surprisingly, the majority of fish are being caught in the areas between the Harrison and Sawmill Creek. Which is much further upstream than the Albion test fishery. The openings you've linked to are all for below the Harrison, where the majority of the fish are not being caught.

But when we're being racist towards aboriginal fishing, one injun be the same as the next one.
 
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I just got back from boating from Otter Point to Sheringham Point and back. No one fishing there, of course, but there were a very large number of killer whales. More than I’ve ever seen when I’ve fished out there. I don’t know what pod they were or anything like that. Seemed like there were several different groups and many in each one. Interesting.
Well i will tell you they didn't make it to Jordan River and no puker boats chasing them past the house
 
I have a bookmark for catch reports for FN fishing,

http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/ChinookKeptCatch.html

So yes, 420 have been reported caught. 910 for the year.

This report gives a geographical location of where the fish are being caught. Not surprisingly, the majority of fish are being caught in the areas between the Harrison and Sawmill Creek. Which is much further upstream than the Albion test fishery. The openings you've linked to are all for below the Harrison, where the majority of the fish are not being caught.

But when we're being racist towards aboriginal fishing, one injun be the same as the next one.

Che they only report what their FSC allocation is not what they sell, They also under report as DFO is required to keep giving them openings until they meet their FSC quotas. As long as they get FSC fisheries then they can also fish for profit and its near impossible for DFO to separate an FSC fishery from a fish that's going to be sold.

I am sure you are very familiar what used to go on with the port alberni fisheries, now times that by 100's Fraser River Bands. Tubs of sundried chinook/sockeye just dumped in the dirt, fish sale signs at the side of the road ect..

I would personally give up ocean fishing for a few years if it meant getting the FN nets out of the water for a few years. I understand that would be extremely destructive to guides and tackle shops but I think the results we would see with salmon making to the spawning beds would be well worth it.

Now that the Fraser river has become everyone's problem, IE that's what SRKW need to eat most are only now paying attention. This has been the reality for JDF anglers for over 10 years and longer for in river fraser anglers.

Oh and to top it off DFO only has 5 officers in the area when 20 is considered the minimum for probably running and enforcing the FN fisheries and thanks to a stupid east coast policy DFO need 3 officers for a boat patrol.

Fraser river early run chinook are on the same path trajectory as thompson steelhead and coho.
 
Che....
Racist..nope. Do I have a problem with endangered stocks being wiped out? Yes.
I get it’s hard to actually see what goes on within the Fraser when you are on Vancouver island.
The openings I just posted where the new ones.
Have you ever seen firsthand any netting in the Fraser canyon?
How about the 7 day opening from sawmill creek to Texas creek? That opening alone will clean up!
DFO is supposed to be conserving not wiping out.
Wake up man
 
Che....
Racist..nope. Do I have a problem with endangered stocks being wiped out? Yes.
I get it’s hard to actually see what goes on within the Fraser when you are on Vancouver island.
The openings I just posted where the new ones.
Have you ever seen firsthand any netting in the Fraser canyon?
How about the 7 day opening from sawmill creek to Texas creek? That opening alone will clean up!
DFO is supposed to be conserving not wiping out.
Wake up man
Someone should get a drone with a decent camera and get some footage for people to see.
 
Let em sell the fish commercially like we do in Port Alberni, a lot of the problems ended with the pilot commercial sale agreement. Not saying there aren't some bad apples, but you get bad apples no matter who is the fisher.
 
Let em sell the fish commercially like we do in Port Alberni, a lot of the problems ended with the pilot commercial sale agreement. Not saying there aren't some bad apples, but you get bad apples no matter who is the fisher.

I believe that will be in the next allocation policy coast wide or at least some form of it... This is where we will need a lot of lobbying power to ensure we don't lose to much of the pie, We can also expect to have so sort of FN group running it.

Pending of course the conservatives don't win the next election.
 
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So the issue of Aboriginal, First Nation fisheries comes up once again. And Agian. And Again. And Again. And Again. Some people just cant' get past this issue. My opinion is that it is because there is a jealous and racist attitude towards their fishery, these people get to fish while others do not. People need to get past this mental hurdle.

Whoever wants to blame Aboriginal Fishing for the decline in Salmon stocks is just ignorant. Aboriginal Fishing is NOT the issue here. In the seal thread, I posted a lecture given showing that an estimated 250-400K smolts are being eaten by seals in the Cowichan River estuary alone. What's a bigger impact there? That the Cowichan band harvests fish like they have for 20'000 years, or the seals? Well, it must be the indians. Log booms have blocked out sunlight and deposited acidic bark in the eel grass beds, wiping them out. This has eliminated the habitat for juvenile salmon. But those damned indians are still netting fish. Sea Otters have been hunted to near extinction. Which has caused an explosion of Sea Urchins. Sea Urchins eat kelp. The kelp forests are all but gone. There's no habitat for maturing ocean salmon. But again, It must be those filthy welfare collecting red skinned bastards. Open water fish farms have created huge infestations of sea lice on migrating salmon. But oh man, can you believe that DFO is letting the Sto:Lo net fish?

The racist and jealous attitude towards aboriginal fishing has got to stop. However many fish they catch is not the problem here.

Che they only report what their FSC allocation is not what they sell, .

Yes, the BLACK MARKET for salmon is something that needs to be addressed. Everyone knows about it, but nobody wants to talk about it. The easiest way to hit it? Go after the people BUYING black market salmon. Shame them publicly. #NOPOACHEDSALMON. Call out your friends, family, neigbours, co-workers or whoever else is buying this ill gotten fish.

Selling poached fish is the same as selling drugs. Its an illegitimate economic opportunity for people who otherwise do not have any legitimate economic opportunity before them. Why don't they have legitimate economic opportunity? That's something for a different thread, but it has a lot to do with the residential school system and the sixties scoop. So let's not go there.

I get it’s hard to actually see what goes on within the Fraser when you are on Vancouver island.

I love how you assume I'm some son of a logger Islander townie. I may have been born in this sportsman's paradise, but I grew up in the Fraser Valley. I have spent over 20 years fishing on the Fraser River. I have intimate knowledge of what's going on over there, minus the past few years since I've come home.

I used to get so mad when I'd see Aboriginal fishing on the Fraser. I thought it was unfair, and thought who the hell were they to do this, and don't they care about the fish, and every emotional thought you experience about it. Then I started reading and learning. First about aboriginal people's history in BC, and pre and post European contact. Then about the legal cases. Then I actually got to spend some time with some Aboriginal guys while doing Salmonid enhancement work in several river systems. I realized how wrong I was. My opinion changed, and I will confess that I previously had a very racist attitude towards these people. I have completely changed my perspective.

Aboriginal fishing, is not the cause for the decline in salmon stocks in the Salish Sea. These people are very much concerned about the preservation of these stocks, more so than sport anglers. Salmon are these people's identity and their culture. The racist attitudes towards Aboriginal Fishing has got to end.
 
So you think FN should be allowed to go and gillnet cowichan chinook this year? That its racism keeping them off the water?
 
The concern is simple, wild salmon are scarce and harvesting in the river significantly reduces the numbers to spawn. FN have heritage and history with salmon and it is an important part of their culture. This probably sounds naive however is there anyway to work with FN to target hatchery fish and have openings for those fish only. Preservation of the wild salmon is critical.
 
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