fishnwhenIcan
Well-Known Member
Yup, but they need to keep working the PR. Over and over and over again......
And then this little nugget...Piscine reovirus is important only because the test case that gave rise to this legal action was the transfer of infected juvenile Atlantic salmon from the Dalrymple hatchery in Sayward into a net pen salmon farm on the Fraser sockeye migration route off northern Vancouver Island.
Marine Harvest’s lawyer told the judge that piscine reovirus does not come from the salmon farm sites, it comes from the wild salmon and does not kill salmon in BC.
Their lawyer went on to say Marine Harvest has disproven the link between piscine reovirus and the disease, HSMI (which Marine Harvest lists as the #2 killer of their fish worldwide in their 2012 Annual General Report).
Hey Fishfarm friends...
Seems to me this part say's it all
And then this little nugget...
So the questions are...
How did this virus get into the Dalrymple hatchery in Sayward... From wild salmon???
Like the Marine Harvest Lawyer seems to imply...... Not good if that is the truth.
You keep wild salmon up there too????
If the number 2 killer of farmed salmon is HSMI what virus is responsible?
You would think they would know after all it cost them plenty.
If they "proved" there is no link between HSMI and PRV can you supply a link to the science paper?
I'm not saying your full of BS but simply saying you have proof doesn't cut it with me.
Why is it up to the fish farms to say if it's safe to put diseased smolts from the Dalrymple hatchery in Sayward into a net pen salmon farm on the Fraser sockeye migration route. What the heck are my tax dollars doing at DFO if they are not watching or making rules about what goes into the ocean? You realize that wild salmon are at risk? Or are you just gambling?
So in a nut shell... some guy at the "Company" orders the diseased smolts to be grown out in the ocean net pen to protect profits. Roll the dice and see what happens.... DFO has your back.
Ask the east coast how that worked out for the cod fishery....
One last note...
Most of us that hang out on this site know a thing or two about salmon.
I've met a few here and know many anglers that don't read this site.
All in all I can't think of anyone that welcomes fish farms here in BC.
In fact we would like you to move your farms off the migration routes.
If you have a problem with that go back to Norway.....
As a guest here you have used up your welcome.
GLG
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ta-on-bc-salmon-farms-report/article19192479/
Jeremy Dunn, executive director of the B.C. Salmon Farmers Association, said his group endorses the call to make disease data public.
“We support the release of fish health information. We’ve asked our regulator to release that information and we understand that DFO’s working on releasing a greater detail of fish health information,” he said. “Obviously the CFIA has their own release [standards] with respect to just certain diseases and we support being transparent and putting up the information for the public.”
If that true why don't you show us the health records for this crop.Ummm, so far I have not seen any evidence presented that showed those smolts actually had PRV - other than Ms. Morton's claim based on an anonymous source.
nice try.... questions getting a little hot? need to pull out the tin foil hat card...You guys are pretty far into the tinfoil hat zone.
Nice try.. you are owned by Norway, plain and simple.And, we're not "guests".
"We" are all part of the BC coast.
You think this is funny?Pretty funny watching the "Captain's Chair" Fish pathologists come out of the woodwork...
You guys have a good night - tight lines tomorrow, go whack a few for me.
If that true why don't you show us the health records for this crop.
nice try.... questions getting a little hot? need to pull out the tin foil hat card...
Nice try.. you are owned by Norway, plain and simple.
The state owned company is a guest in Canada.
You have TFW working there and I can only assume they are from Norway.
Perhaps you can fill in the details and let us know.
Your owners need to get your farms off the migration routes or go home.
You what to move to Norway? well that's your choice.
You think this is funny?
I don't.. this is serious stuff here...
GLG
On March 26th 2014 - there was a VHS outbreak: http://www.inspection.gc.ca/animals...icaemia-2014-/eng/1396452410303/1396452411272Wouldn't mind getting more info about these outbreaks; http://www.inspection.gc.ca/animals...icaemia-2014-/eng/1396452410303/1396452411272
Know anything about those reports, CK? If not the herring then how about the Atlantics? Can you ask the BCSFA to find out which farm in BC and share with the public?
If you are referring to the pro-farm lobby - there is also serious ******** and lying going on from those seriously trained in the art of PR and bafflegab. Democracy is supposed to work by the public getting involved in the decision-making process CK Too bad that you and your industry are so threatened by that process and try to demean their serious input.This is serious stuff here - stuff that is being researched by serious scientists, with serious training in virology, fish pathology, and genomics.
Temporary Foreign Workers? From Norway?
This is serious stuff here -
Have a look for yourself
Zoom in on this map to Campbell River and check it out.
http://ntfw.ca/map-companies-hiring-temporary-foreign-workers/
Care to explain why you need TFW?
I'm a faculty member in a microbiology department and I have extensive experience in virology and genomics (more than 20 years of research experience in genomics). I'm convinced that the currently available peer reviewed data shows that fish farms sited near terminal fisheries not only can but likely have increased wild fish mortality. What's your extensive science background? More importantly, serious scientists don't hide their data from public scrutiny but rather are so confident of all their data that they make it publicly available. Why is it that both the fish farms and their government protectors are so interested in hiding important data? If there's really no problem, let everyone see the identified disease outbreaks and their location in real time. Let the government researchers speak freely to media. That level of transparency will only help to make the case the industry hopes to make (unless of course the data indicates actual problems). Keep hiding the data and stifling scientific discussion and the industry will only further raise suspicions.<stuff clipped>
This is serious stuff here - stuff that is being researched by serious scientists, with serious training in virology, fish pathology, and genomics.
Unfortunately, it is the self-appointed, self-trained, and self-important few who seem to be making claims beyond their scope of understanding in an effort to further their anti-aquaculture agenda.
I can see by your tagline that all you need is a basic understanding of a process to generate your opinion, but the reality is there are countless other factors that come into play when dealing with natural processes.
Thanks for aptly demonstrating another well-used tactic by pro-farm pundits, James - misdirection. Along with shooting the messenger - this is commonly the best or only response one gets from serious science-based questions from your industry. Is this how you get your moniker "SUSTAINABILITY" officer? You "sustain" the dialogue into emotional drama - rather than answering the question?Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and sometimes I come here to express mine - which I feel is supported by decades of observations and associated data collected in and around salmon farms.
As a fisherman myself, I am very aware of the fact that every salmon I kill will not spawn - There is an impact on the population.
Having worked at lodges in the past, where groups of 60, or 70 fishermen limited out on nearly every species, every 4 days, almost all season long - I am VERY aware that sportfishing is a significant pressure on wild stocks.
I put literally tonnes of salmon on planes and helicopters over my time in the INDUSTRY, and I still have the carpal tunnel to show for it.
To have active participants in this practice come on here and spout off about "Might's", "Could's", "May's", "Potentially's", and "Likely's" - without having any documented evidence of an aquaculture related decline in wild stocks after nearly 40 years....
Well, let's just say it rings a little hollow and reeks of self-righteous hipocracy.
Fear is one thing, but it needs to be balanced with recognition of management, and the need for economic diversity on this massive, beautiful coast we all share.
Thanks for aptly demonstrating another well-used tactic by pro-farm pundits, James - misdirection. Along with shooting the messenger - this is commonly the best or only response one gets from serious science-based questions from your industry. Is this how you get your moniker "SUSTAINABILITY" officer? You "sustain" the dialogue into emotional drama - rather than answering the question?
It is called, "Context".
It is commonly what opponents of an industry remove in order to insert, "Fear".
Here's another one, I know you love these...
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