April 1 Fishing Regs-sell your Boats!!

[the butcher]

fishing is not about killing and keep fish...Its about the experiencea and sharing that experience with family and friends.....if you are into C&R great. I am not. Part of that experience for me is catching a fish and preparing it to have a nice dinner amongst friends and family. I get out about once a month and if bringing 1 fish home, even when its a hatch fish, is too much to ask this damn gov for? We are denied an opportunity under the bullsh*t guise of conservation when hatchery fish have nothing to do with species of concern. in the meantime DFO turns a blind eye to hundreds if not thousands of ghost crab traps innour waters, illegal fishing on fraser river, etc...

 

[terrin]

Not even close to hunting. Try again.

Care to explain?

 

[Aces]

if we all added up the expenses related to owning a boat and salmon fishing setups, its not about keeping a fish. That part is a bonus. I will not starve if I dont get to bring a fish home. For me, its about the entire experience.... which includes bringing friends and family along for the adventure...and part of the experience which is the icing on the cake is to enjoy a prepared meal with friends and family from the minimum we harvested that day necessary to prepare that meal.. I agree that "playing" a fish and releasing it to have it in a damaged or weaken state to make them easy targets for predation is not my idea of fun. What bothers me is our rights to access a resource that isnt endangered is blocked by a select few due to selfishness, negligence and just plain ignorance.

The federal Liberals don’t care how much sport fishermen have invested in our favorite pastime. They only care about getting votes to stay in power. They have proven that pandering to a segment of the population that garners sympathy and support from the Left leaning enablers amongst us and especially in the East where there is way more population (and votes) helps them in that goal.

The wholesale harvest of Fraser Chinooks in the river while we are closed down for “conservation” purposes on those fish only enforces that

 

[Aces]

My god the NGO's do a great job of brainwashing. They make everyone feel guilty for just fishing. I hate to say C and R is practiced world wide. So I am not a believer in banning it. That is stupid IMHO.

Pretty much. I’ve released thousands of salmon and steelhead with minimal loss. Released lots of Marlin, wahoo and yellow fin tuna in Mexico too.
The bite and the hook up are what I live for and not going to stop because NGO’s think I should

 

[Unreel]

I know everyone is upset, and rightly so, but if the sport fishing sector actually did something like this it would make us look like greedy idiots and wouldnt do us any favors in the court of public opinion. Just some food for thought (since we wont be eating salmon)

The problem is what we’ve been doing is not working and not getting attention. Not making a big fuss, small protests, the odd spot on local news, being nice and polite Canadians and this is where we are. We either have to stop caring about how we may look or be portrayed in the public eye and stand up for what we want and believe in or kiss fishing goodbye. You think the engo’s care about how they are looked at by non supporters? You think fn care about how they are portrayed when they block rail lines and shut down the economy. Sure pissed off a lot of people but they sure got a lot of news coverage and then finally a few hundred million and it all went away. But it was never about the money..oops got a bit sidetracked there. But my point is what we are doing and have been doing is not working, we are being ignored.

 

[fish brain]

I could see where FN would support Sport Fishing if they were the Lodge Owners and Guides and it provided them income. But that would be the only part they would support and would see anything other than that ie a guy fishing on his own as competition and as such not support basic public fishing that could hurt their business. It’s a nice idea but from a FN perspective what’s in it for them? Public and Commercial interests compete with theirs.

A guy fishing on his own is exactly why I foresee paying a licence feed to the FN's it would provide them a measure of income for every fisher on the water.

 

[fishin solo]

A guy fishing on his own is exactly why I foresee paying a licence feed to the FN's it would provide them a measure of income for every fisher on the water.

They don’t need more handouts..... they have enough already, the throw more money at FN mentality needs to stop now. We the tax payers pay them already to breath air.

 

[ziggy]

A guy fishing on his own is exactly why I foresee paying a licence feed to the FN's it would provide them a measure of income for every fisher on the water.

Yeah I agree that would be another possibility, collect fees from everyone and totally control the resource. Might be a tough sell initially but we seem headed that way with all what were public resources.

 

[scott craven]

Sorry, but I'm not paying anybody (other than licence fee) to fish.
nobody owns the resource, it should be available for all to enjoy.

 

[Stizzla]

Should be indeed, but then again... here we are.

 

[fish brain]

They don’t need more handouts..... they have enough already, the throw more money at FN mentality needs to stop now. We the tax payers pay them already to breath air.

Our problems with the FN are deep and complicated. All of them stem from our forefathers decisions not to complete treaties or honour them if they did. We are paying for that now as they exorcise their rights from coast to coast. The fact that DFO / Government of Canada is allowing them to shut down an entire fishery only leads to more resentment and racism as your comment aptly points out. Moving forward we need to figure out ways to work with them.

 

[scott craven]

Government are notoriously poor at managing anything.
( how about the vaccine roll out)
It's really unfortunate, but we're stuck with it.
No amount of letter writing,protests etc. will change it
(I'm sure of that now)
The constitution dictates the feds have authority over the fishery.

I guess we simply learn to live with it, painful as it is.

 

[chris73]

The meat fishers will die out quickly over the next few years, that's clear. The anglers who can enjoy C&R will find the most effective gear to do the least harm to salmon to be released and then the new average C&R mortality will be way down from this ominous 20% cited here. Plus all the meat fishers gone, the overall take of the sport fishery will be so small that maybe, just maybe this fishery will be tolerated as inconsequential but economically useful, albeit at a much reduced level. If you have every wild coho floating away bleeding, gill hooked or eye hooked you are doing something seriously wrong and should have changed your gear and handling a long time ago. Those bad practices need to stop - either by yourself and your ability to adapt or by government intervention. I'd prefer you can do it yourself and with proper practices you can come around and actually enjoy C&R fishing with a clean conscience as some of us can.

 

[eroyd]

What do you say to guides that rely on customers who pay to actually catch a fish and keep it? Who’s going to pay $1000 plus travel costs to the coast/island for a chance to catch a single 15lb spring? Guys like you better be dragging bare lines through the water as you enjoy the “experience”. If your trying for fish your kind of coming across as a hypocrite.

Don't get stupid on me. $1000? I would say let the guide take the guests for a nice $500 boat ride and them take them out for a nice salmon, lobster, caviar dinner. The fish is the bonus. Is a 15lb dead fish going to make or break the entire experience? Time for a different train of thought, different marketing or a new job if you can't do that. It works elsewhere. The take take take attitude in a western society has to change.

 

[Dragos]

I hope we all realize there are DFO people posting on this thread. Diverting the focus from the real issue and creating conflicts between us

 

[Sea lyin’]

Don't get stupid on me. $1000? I would say let the guide take the guests for a nice $500 boat ride and them take them out for a nice salmon, lobster, caviar dinner. The fish is the bonus. Is a 15lb dead fish going to make or break the entire experience? Time for a different train of thought, different marketing or a new job if you can't do that. It works elsewhere. The take take take attitude in a western society has to change.

Don’t call me stupid. I’ve been out many times on guided trips and $1000 was what it cost. Plus tackle, ferry, camping etc. What’s stupid is you think everyone is capable of changing their business model in an single season. So answer the question or back off, what is the guide industry supposed to do for the years it’s going to take to change their business model?

 

[wavetamer]

its getting to a point that's all south island has left is C and R, which most have been practising. Does it make sense to practice catch and release knowing full well were releasing them to the gill nets of the Fraser , we really just enhancing full nets. Did the Minister even have the time time acknowledge the Proposal, ?? what was the reasoning for the OVER ALL REJECTION , there is not much more to give ??

 

[Sea lyin’]

Any guides out there that’ll take me and my wife fishing for a day and out for steak and lobster after for the low, low price of $500 please PM me.

 

[wildmanyeah]

The meat fishers will die out quickly over the next few years, that's clear. The anglers who can enjoy C&R will find the most effective gear to do the least harm to salmon to be released and then the new average C&R mortality will be way down from this ominous 20% cited here. Plus all the meat fishers gone, the overall take of the sport fishery will be so small that maybe, just maybe this fishery will be tolerated as inconsequential but economically useful, albeit at a much reduced level. If you have every wild coho floating away bleeding, gill hooked or eye hooked you are doing something seriously wrong and should have changed your gear and handling a long time ago. Those bad practices need to stop - either by yourself and your ability to adapt or by government intervention. I'd prefer you can do it yourself and with proper practices you can come around and actually enjoy C&R fishing with a clean conscience as some of us can.

i don’t think a non retention of chinook reg is ment to be interpreted as let’s create a targeted chinook C&R fishery.

it’s suppose to be you can fish for other species and if you have incidental catch of chinook they are to be safely released.

that does not mean you should not go out and enjoy C&R you most certainly should get out

im just saying the intent of the regulation is to keep boats away from targeting chinook. A full scale targeted C&R fishery is gonna cause just as much back lash from First Nation and ENGOs as would a MSF or a retention fishery.

just my imo that we should not be adapting to this being the new normal. Especially when this is not about conservation and more about politics, optics and reallocation.

 

[scott craven]

The meat fishers will die out quickly over the next few years, that's clear.

I agree, in fact most of the guys I know that fished for Chinook
have simply quit.
Kinda sad to lose that comraderie on the water