Thompson steelhead recovery plan

Fishmyster said:
I guess I am ignorant. What does come out of volcanos?
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No your not ignorant and I'm not here to pick I fight. In fact I support your research into this but I wanted to point out the fact that the burning of fossil fuels (FF) are contributing to the problem, we are the volcano so to speak...... The main culprit from FF and volcanos is sulfur dioxide (SO2) and the link that OB mentions has the ratio of 50/50 of man and nature (page 2). It may be out of date since that was written back in 1991 and we both know that things change as we get better data. There has been much research on this as it's a short term greenhouse gas. Thankfully the world is moving on reducing SO2 but we are not there yet. Here are some links that you may want to read.
http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/11/1101/2011/acp-11-1101-2011.pdf
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/JAMC-D-11-016.1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_dioxide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcano#Volcanic_gases

Try putting SO2 into a search to find the relevant parts in the pdf below.
http://ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/syr/SYR_AR5_FINAL_full_wcover.pdf

Like I said on this thread.......

GLG said:
Interesting subject.... here is a link that may tie a few things together.
Notice how the types of rocks play a role in pH.
http://www.ec.gc.ca/air/default.asp?lang=En&n=1F36EFBB-1&offset=13&toc=show
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http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum...ooton-steelhead-blog.64521/page-3#post-808086
 
Not sure if you are aware of this but the acid rain is gone! I have been testing the rain often and the ph is at 5.6 lately. Any science on acid rain I can find claims the natural rain ph should sit around 5.6 because of the co2 levels in the atmosphere. Did civilization and volcanoes just clean up emissions to a factor of nearly 0 extra sulfur input to the atmosphere both at the same time? I don't see it possible. There was a sudden drop in rain ph to 3.5 in 1994. If ff burning created 50% of that how could be be at a natural state now? So as you say, that was an old report there is always new and updated info coming in and I am sharing some you right now. Try checking the rain ph yourself. It all leads to believe what each of us deems believable. Based on my personal testing and the chemistry history data available that Volcanos by far have been the largest polluter of our air quality to date.
The geology and buffering effect does help stabilize stream environments. Some more updated info for you is that ph and alkalinity has risen here in the Stamp considerably over the last 2 years from what was below water quality "safe for ecosystems" criteria levels. Only the rain chemistry has changed and not geology.

I read a hell of alot of scientific reports. Some require much filtering to extract the raw facts.
 
Hi Fishmyster here are some links to some sites that you may find interesting. If you want me to I'll have a look at what I can find out about "There was a sudden drop in rain ph to 3.5 in 1994" but at this point I don't think "Mt Pinatubo erupted in June of 1991 and by 1994 our rain ph drops down to 3.5." has a correlation. I could be wrong but I personally think you need to track back to a closer source for why the pH dropped in that area in your data. What would be interesting to know about the 1994 data is, was the pH seasonal or was it consistent through the year. Another thing that would be telling is, does an other site that is close show the same thing. What about a site that is further away? Does the data match?

Here is something that you said that I sure agree with you and can relate.....
"I read a hell of alot of scientific reports. Some require much filtering to extract the raw facts."

https://aura.gsfc.nasa.gov/
https://aura.gsfc.nasa.gov/science/feature-20110228.html

http://www.ec.gc.ca/air/default.asp?lang=En&n=1F36EFBB-1&offset=12&toc=show
 
GLG said:
Hi Fishmyster here are some links to some sites that you may find interesting. If you want me to I'll have a look at what I can find out about "There was a sudden drop in rain ph to 3.5 in 1994" but at this point I don't think "Mt Pinatubo erupted in June of 1991 and by 1994 our rain ph drops down to 3.5." has a correlation. I could be wrong but I personally think you need to track back to a closer source for why the pH dropped in that area in your data. What would be interesting to know about the 1994 data is, was the pH seasonal or was it consistent through the year. Another thing that would be telling is, does an other site that is close show the same thing. What about a site that is further away? Does the data match?

Here is something that you said that I sure agree with you and can relate.....
"I read a hell of alot of scientific reports. Some require much filtering to extract the raw facts."

https://aura.gsfc.nasa.gov/
https://aura.gsfc.nasa.gov/science/feature-20110228.html

http://www.ec.gc.ca/air/default.asp?lang=En&n=1F36EFBB-1&offset=12&toc=show
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I'm studied out from that subject and want to get back to the Thompson river topic. Good news is the snow from the other day melted out to a ph of 5.6 today!
If anyone who lives up in the Shuswap or has been fishing in the area last fall reads this please come forward. I am interested if anyone has long term stream observation for that area. Changes of algae, juvenile fish abundance, decomposition rates and water quality samples from the area are the focus. There is a perfectly good scientific explanation for all of the stock crashes thru out the province and the Thompson would be no exception. I'm willing to do the research and science but live on Vancouver island. I need help!
Here is a science project that will give us huge insight for the PRESENT bacterial health of the water for that are. Has the same ecological shift on Vancouver happened in the Thompson headwaters is the question? I would like to take two large containers of Thompson river water. Place them in a shop with bubblers and heaters. Then we need to place equal sized fish (not farmed or frozen) in each tub. After that we observe and time the decomposition of the specimens. Comparing the algae and decomposition rate with what I have observed here on the island will tell us if the same beneficial change has happened there too. If we warm the water up to around 20 degrees and add full spectrum lighting we will simulate September conditions when my observations were done here. The reason for two containers is one will get a simulated acidic episode. In one container applied acid will drop the ph to simulate acid rain shock then restore the alkalinity and ph to what the water was in the fall of 2013 based on existing water sample records. This may explain a lot!
Anybody who is truly looking for the answers as to why Thompson river has crashed to where it is today just needs to do the research. I could explain it to you in my interpretation of ecology but rather than take my word for it do some science and research to see for your self. Nobody else is gonna do for ya. If you want answers go get them. That's what I'm doing.
My name is Ken 250-724-4204 pleas call if you have info or interest in participating.
 
Cuba Libre said:
How did you make out on your request?
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One gentleman from Merrit was interested and understood the importance of bacterial nutrient cycling. He was acquiring some water test equipment. Some of his observations were that many of the cottonwood trees in his area have mysteriously been dying. Other than that I think most are waiting for the meetings to solve it all. lol

Have you read thru the ph tech document you posted earlier?
 
Fishmyster said:
One gentleman from Merrit was interested and understood the importance of bacterial nutrient cycling. He was acquiring some water test equipment. Some of his observations were that many of the cottonwood trees in his area have mysteriously been dying. Other than that I think most are waiting for the meetings to solve it all. lol

Have you read thru the ph tech document you posted earlier?
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Not me Fishmyster.... unless my memory is fading fast! LOL
 
another meeting ..oh yaa...:( that's the answer..lol ... would like to see some of this stuff incorporate into the recovery plan myself.... and its time to get some boots on the ground....
 
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