Thompson Steelhead not listed.

Good luck with compensation. The only people compensated are friends or families of the liberals.

And then only if you live in Quebec.

Area G has been hard after DFO regarding compensation for the closures they imposed on us this year.
They have 17 million US in their hands, specifically designed to "offset socioeconomic hardships when Area G is pushed off the water due to conservation concerns". Funds that were provided, and earmarked for that purpose by the US.
Yet DFO refuses to even meet with our reps, doesn't respond to emails nor hard copy letters.
Simply left to to dangle and descend into bankruptcy.

Most corrupt, agenda oriented bunch of lying pricks this country has had the misfortune to be mismanaging our resources EVER.

UnReal. And downright EVIL!

Nog
 
isn't that something that lawyers should be able to settle.

Area E recently took DFO to court and got all the answers they seeked just in the beginning process of discovery.
 
isn't that something that lawyers should be able to settle.

When the initial fund came in, it was 30 million US. DFO began to spend it willy-nilly wherever their wicked hearts desired.
We took them to court. They got it in front of a sympathetic liberal judge.
He found against us, but did tell DFO not to spend it anywhere else - a partial win of sorts.
DFO is still pissed they could not trickle it away into their pet projects, and closed the purse strings off.

There is no point in running that expensive and time consuming gauntlet again only to have the case land in yet another of Trudeau's appointments to friends and friends of friends...

And - DFO's actions have pissed off the Americans so much by these actions that they have publicly stated they will NEVER enter into such an agreement with Canada again.

Nog
 
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“Ecological outcomes for steelhead that will be produced through the comprehensive Action Plan will, in the estimation of the Government of Canada, be significantly stronger than could be achieved through an emergency listing.”

What a crock of horse ****!!! If there was any truth to this, they would have listed and this plan would have been the SARA recovery plan but both governments, not just Feds/DFO, felt the political/economic outfall of listing outweighed the value of these fish stocks. Impacts to FN gillnet fishing on the Fraser unpalatable to DFO/feds and impacts to agriculture (water, riparian/floodplain mgmt) and forestry (ECA, road densities, culverts on fish streams, etc) unpalatable to the Province.

Based on this decision and fact DFO/feds have done nothing for the weak stocks of Interior Chinook and Coho, other than restrict rec and Commie fishing, pretty much guarantees BC will have very few, if any, Interior stocks of stream-rearing anadromous salmonids within most of our lifetimes.

Tragic yet predictable and I don’t think political stripes make any difference, there are no parties at either fed or provincial levels that would have chosen to protect these stocks ... about the only difference would be what smoke and mirror “measures” would be put in place and how long it’d take to get to the end. Also, let’s not kid ourselves, every fishing sector has members that’ll be more than happy to catch the last fish. The Thompson River steelhead fishery had no shortage of anglers on years the fishery was open despite being well below the extreme conservation concern levels.

Also, don’t kid yourselves that the work at the Fraser slide has anything to do with the weak stocks of Chinook or steelhead that migrate upstream. That makes a convenient story to make it seem like DFO is actually doing something other than closing rec/commie fishing when the real DFO concern is Fraser sockeye as it always is. Smaller weaker sockeye will have real issues at this slide compared with the much stronger Chinook and steelhead. Protect the sockeye so that the Fraser gill netting can continue ... that’s sustainability, right?!!!

If the rec sector could ever harness the true political and economic power of its large and diverse population, including the industries (tackle, boats, tourism, etc) that benefit, now is the time for litigation, which is the ONLY language governments take seriously these days!

Cheers!

Ukee
 
I disagree. If anyone were to actually spend some time investigating the slide, they would soon recognize that this event has a huge potential impact on sustainability of upper Fraser stocks. The cautionary process and implementation is paramount to the success in keeping these vital stocks as abundant as possible via safe passage. If SARA were to be implemented on the Fraser for either chinook or steelhead, you can say good-bye to all approach fishing coast wide. INDIANS are not your issue here. All fisheries are the issue period when it comes down to total impacts. The time has come to ignite the implementation and formation of sustainable fisheries via mutual respect, trust and mutually beneficial partnerships that help consummate the longevity and succession of such a valuable resource.

Divisiveness is not our answer. At All!

SARA was implemented for commercial and rec, 42 days, FN got 27 days

Sorry but giving the 700+ first nations gillnets on the river less restrictions.... why?

IF you dont want people to point fingers then treat all sectors the same.
 
Please share the document for SARA implementation of Faser River Steelhead and Chinook. We(Public Fishery) won't be fishing on any coast wide affected approaches if this is real. As far as FN discussion go, both you and I have shared various information in PM's. We both know that the Corporation Government of Canada is not giving INDIAN's anything. It's called sovereignty to which Canada(Corp Gov Ca.) is not a sovereign nation. Don't fight me, I am here offering ideas and thoughts that I think can help. If you disagree with my message deal directly with the source of my information...Your own Corporation of Governance.

Lol
 
I disagree. If anyone were to actually spend some time investigating the slide, they would soon recognize that this event has a huge potential impact on sustainability of upper Fraser stocks. The cautionary process and implementation is paramount to the success in keeping these vital stocks as abundant as possible via safe passage. If SARA were to be implemented on the Fraser for either chinook or steelhead, you can say good-bye to all approach fishing coast wide. INDIANS are not your issue here. All fisheries are the issue period when it comes down to total impacts. The time has come to ignite the implementation and formation of sustainable fisheries via mutual respect, trust and mutually beneficial partnerships that help consummate the longevity and succession of such a valuable resource.

Divisiveness is not our answer. At All!

If DFO, or anyone else for that matter, were concerned with the Interior Chinook, Coho or steelhead stocks upstream of the slide then tell me: what had DFO done in response to the building drought conditions prior to and during the first weeks after the slide (fish getting past, whether few or many, need water to spawn and rear)? Once the rain started falling and continued to fall causing slides and flooding and then landowners, municipalities and prov govt started responding with dredging and rock dumping and other destructive works, where was/is DFO as this continues? What about Wilkinson’s announcement about the key factors affecting these stocks future, which included water and watershed/ecosystem scale habitat destruction (exactly the issues that were stacking up, and continue to, with the developing drought and now the flooding mayhem throughout the Chilcotin), did DFO develop and start implementing a plan or impose moratoriums on water extraction and watershed clearing for the Ag and forestry sectors, similar to the closures for fishing sectors?

The answer to all of those questions is NO, they’ve done Sweet **** All!!!! So tell me again how the response is about anything other than the Fraser sockeye fishery, which trumps everything else for DFO??!!

Of course the slide will be impactful to these weak stocks but, Chinook and steelhead have a much better chance passing this incomplete blockage than sockeye do. Once past, sockeye have their big cold lakes to wait in until there are sufficient flows on their spawning gravels and then to rear in, but what about the stocks that hold, spawn and rear in the small systems? Given DFOs lack of meaningful action on the multitude of factors affecting those stocks (Chinook, coho and steelhead) no one can pass the red face test and pretend DFO really cares about them.

If they did care, all these endangered stocks would already be SARA listed. INterior Fraser steelhead were just rejected, same excuses and “plans” will be used to reject listing Interior Chinook and coho (will be the second time interior coho listing is rejected). Listing would legally force all levels of govt to make the tough decisions on all fronts to protect these stocks (not just closing rec/commie fishing), not listing means protections are optional and we all know how that goes for things like telling ranchers they can’t pump the smaller rivers and creeks dry or that loggers have to stop logging watersheds once reasonable ECAs (clear cut area) have been reached or that gill netting is no longer an acceptable in-river harvest practice when there are weak stocks migrating, etc, etc, etc. The fish always lose out to $$$$ and the associated lobbying.

Again, I’m not saying this slide isn’t an issue for all upstream stocks Trooper, but don’t be fooled by the noise it’s causing to think that DFO actually cares about these weak stocks or is going to take the steps necessary to conserve them.

Cheers!

Ukee
 
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