Matriarchs to occupy lands on Haida Gwaii as fishing lodges reopen

Discussion in 'Conservation, Fishery Politics and Management.' started by wildmanyeah, Jul 10, 2020.

  1. wildmanyeah

    wildmanyeah Crew Member

  2. Tinny

    Tinny Well-Known Member

    Step 1 in the master plan to shut down rec fishing for tax paying Canadians in this region.
     
  3. SerengetiGuide

    SerengetiGuide Well-Known Member

    Manipulative and disgusting. That is all. Trying to do this well before covid.
     
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  4. trophywife

    trophywife Crew Member

    so it has nothing to do with fish access.all about covid prevention... right.
     
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  5. wildmanyeah

    wildmanyeah Crew Member

  6. SpringFever552

    SpringFever552 Well-Known Member

    I thought in the native cultures you dont own the land? The creator gave it to all to use and prosper..
     
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  7. lazylump

    lazylump Active Member

    With comments like these, it’s no wonder there is so much division. Might be an idea to examine this issue from the other side and gain some perspective.
     
  8. trophywife

    trophywife Crew Member

    please explain? what is wrong about comments above? i would love to gain some of that perspective you speak of.
     
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  9. disco

    disco Active Member

    Please explain where anyone posted inaccurate comments here on this issue. Until people with balls start taking a stand we'll keep taking it in the rear area. Politicians are scared of only one thing, losing their job. Looks like you are on the other side of common sense.
     
  10. lazylump

    lazylump Active Member

    http://www.haidanation.ca/?page_id=10793
    I didn’t say inaccurate, ignorant and disrespectful is more like it. It’s not the 1950’s anymore guys. The people who have been taking it in the rear collectively are the FN if you can’t accept that fact, that’s on you. If the Haida Nation has asked visitors to stay away for the time being because they have very limited resources to deal with Covid outbreaks then that should be respected.
     
  11. disco

    disco Active Member

    "The people who have been taking it in the rear collectively are the FN if you can’t accept that fact, that’s on you." Wow! Just wow!
     
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  12. agentaqua

    agentaqua Well-Known Member

    Again - some unfortunately unsupported assertions & accusations expressed on this thread around Title and Rights, and Hereditary Governance systems. It is even more unfortunate when today much of that information is easily found online.

    Ignorance is a choice when dealing with these issues - but I would instead recommend doing some basic research into these issues before trying to instigate what I consider to be a unnecessary dramafest - especially those falsely claiming that the Haida did not control access to their own land before colonization. Exclusion is one of the key legal requirements in any Rights & Title cases brought before the courts and can be referenced at: https://www.canlii.org/en/#search/text=aboriginal title exclusion Haida

    The fiduciary duty owed to First Nations from the feds is a charter right - generated thru s.35 of the Constitution Act (1982) and is not predicated on "Politicians being scared of losing their job" - another unfortunate unsupported accusation.

    The history of the Haida can be found from this link and others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haida_people
     
  13. lazylump

    lazylump Active Member

    Give it a rest. My original post was to address the comments relating to the Haida Gwaii travel restrictions and the fishing lodge. You can’t equate all the crap FN have and are being subjected to with the recent fishing closures. I was just encouraging people to maybe have some respect and look at things from the other side rather than post the same old us against them. It’s going no where and the times are changing.
     
  14. Admin

    Admin Admin Staff Member

    As expected it didn't take long for this thread to start going sideways. Just remind everyone now to keep it respectful and avoid the usual personal comments and fights that often accompany this topic.
     
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  15. Unreel

    Unreel Well-Known Member

    No surprise here, will keep my opinion to myself. Just seen a post on fb that the Ahousat nation on the west coast have declared all the land and water over there closed to anyone but residents. This should be interesting.
     
  16. SerengetiGuide

    SerengetiGuide Well-Known Member

    Hahahahaha. I know that no law says they can do that! Can’t close their land to any Canadian. Doesn’t work like that.
     
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  17. SpringFever552

    SpringFever552 Well-Known Member

    Was just having a "discussion" with a member of HG...she said they are leaving the island/their territory for her words here...
    "Medical appointment"
    "Surgical appointments "
    "Buying specialty things"
    "Getting cars fixed"
    "Things we cant get on the island"
    Soo... its ok for them to leave and risk getting the covid and bringing it back or hey maybe spreading it to the people they meet while on their errands on mainland
    What hippocrates!!
    I guess they want their cake and eat it to...
    Hmmmmm
     
  18. StormTrooper

    StormTrooper Well-Known Member

    Pour little Indians can’t protect themselves because the rest of the world says so. Funny how many don’t want Americans or people from other provinces here because they want to protect their health...God forbid, an Indian demand the same respect and be able to protect the health of their community members.
     
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  19. SpringFever552

    SpringFever552 Well-Known Member

    Whats good for goose is good for gander..
    If this was about protecting themselves from the covid, why would they dare leave there " safe place"?

    Its not..has nothing to do with covid
     
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2020
  20. StormTrooper

    StormTrooper Well-Known Member

    Lol. Yep, you are correct. 100%. Tell us what it’s actually about?! I think it’s about protecting their community, just like Islanders want visitors to stay away during COVID times. People are scared, while remote communities do not have the same resources that VI, the LML, or even the rest of BC has. It’s not the same.
     
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2020
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