Apparently it’s good news..

Discussion in 'Saltwater Fishing Forum' started by Pearl dog, Apr 17, 2019.

  1. wildmanyeah

    wildmanyeah Crew Member

    Not good news for this guy or his operation....

  2. terrin

    terrin Well-Known Member

    I agree 100%. Why are the DFO not removing all Fish Farms off the Ocean? Why are the Fish farms allowed to keep infesting our Wild Salmon with Sea Lice and infecting them with deadly viruses like PRV?
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  3. terrin

    terrin Well-Known Member

    Do they swim with a no go zone imprinted into their brain or is there other considerations at play like Big Money?
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  4. ziggy

    ziggy Well-Known Member

    I’ve asked DFO that same question. It’s possible they take a further offshore route.
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  5. ryanb

    ryanb Well-Known Member

    Pretty sure Haida Gwaii has a documented interception rate on Fraser fish. Not sure how they escaped unscathed without going right to the conspiracy theories.
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  6. scott craven

    scott craven Well-Known Member

    It's all about money and politic's, not saving the fish !
  7. BCI

    BCI Crew Member

    The numbers on the fish may not be 'pounds' but 'angler guest number' so they know who's fish it is when they butcher it and freeze it.
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  8. SerengetiGuide

    SerengetiGuide Well-Known Member

    Should send that screenshot to the minister / grout / Rebecca Reid / Chek news / CTV Vancouver island
  9. Fishtofino

    Fishtofino Well-Known Member

    I’m not sure that’s the main reason.

    The northern lodges do their dna sampling and don’t get many Fraser Chinooks from what I understand, mostly Skeena fish.

    FYI my nephew grew up in QCI and guided many years up there and was one of the top producing guides at Peregrine lodge, a very high end outfit.

    I caught 4 times the Chinooks he did so paying those big bucks doesn’t guarantee awesome fishing.

    Also, Rivers Inlet is a terminal fishery supported by a very successful privately hatchery funded by the lodges

    I know we are all pissed off but need to stick to the facts
  10. captmike

    captmike Active Member

    if Haida Gwaii lodges don't catch many Fraser fish why the restrictions in 2018 and commercial trollers restricted till Aug 20? How do these Fraser chinooks get down here ?
  11. BCRingo

    BCRingo Well-Known Member

    I believe those restrictions were to “protect” the Skeena runs.
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  12. SerengetiGuide

    SerengetiGuide Well-Known Member

    With the crazy small effect commercial trollers have on Fraser fish, their May fishery up there shouldn't of been restricted. It's because they have to do that to restrict FN rivers fisheries and to appease ENGO's and FN in general, believe many have already mentioned that on here.
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  13. ryanb

    ryanb Well-Known Member

    Follow the money...
  14. searun

    searun Well-Known Member

    They were to protect or pass through an additional 10,000 Fraser Chinook to the river. That will ensure FSC needs are more than met. Area F Troll does have a higher interception of Fraser stocks than most domestic fisheries. In addition to that, the re-forecast numbers of Fraser Chinook show more abundant returns than originally forecast. Hopefully the ENGO's don't spin fables about where all these fish came from...I can see it now. Fishing restrictions worked, an additional 40,000 Chinook made it to the Fraser. And just in case anyone thinks we forgot about the starving killer whales...there is food a-plenty:

    2019 New Forecast:

    Fraser Early - 138,333 (2019 forecast), which is 163.95% larger than 2018 observed (84,373)

    Fraser Late - 126,343 (2019 forecast), which is 155.21% larger than 2018 observed (81,399)

    The 2019 forecast returning chinook to Fraser and Puget Sound (food available to SRKW) = 571,816 Chinook

    Caloric Intake requirements for SRKW are per Noren (2010):

    16,386 Kcal/Chinook
    82 SRKW (yes I'm over-estimating the population) caloric requirements are 792 to 951 Chinook/day
    SRKW are present approximately 150 days
    Taking the high end of the estimated Chinook as prey requirement to sustain 82 SKRW range here's the calculation:

    951 Chinook x 150 days = 142,500 Chinook required to meet caloric intake requirement to sustain SRKW

    That is 25% of the entire 571,816 Chinook that will be swimming around within the key SRKW forage if SRKW are "starving" they must be pretty darn poor hunters...or is it there are way too many vessels in close proximity preventing SRKW from finding their prey?
  15. littlechucky

    littlechucky Well-Known Member

    I suspect those forecast include those that don’t make it to the SRKW are already fed in that forecast!

    Edit: fishing should be good this summer...
  16. SerengetiGuide

    SerengetiGuide Well-Known Member

    120,000-150k less fish taken commercially on coast coming by us give or Take too with the commercial closure till aug 20.
  17. littlechucky

    littlechucky Well-Known Member

    The reduction in commercial catch would only account for a small amount of the increase.

    2015 was a very good Chinook year if I recall correctly.
  18. GLG

    GLG Well-Known Member

    This is great news but are these numbers from the age 4 and age 5 chinook because if they include 3 year olds then your calculations would be out.
  19. SerengetiGuide

    SerengetiGuide Well-Known Member

    Were the Haida Gwaii restrictions by Langara not specifically for Skeena and Nass fish? I was fairly sure they Ringo said...or was I misinformed?
  20. Confused

    Confused Member

    They were specifically for skeena fish.

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