trophywife
Crew Member
Agreed, And once they face reality of no fuel deliveries up the coast they'll come back to the real world.
i would like to sea the evil necessary only on the outside passage..
Agreed, And once they face reality of no fuel deliveries up the coast they'll come back to the real world.
most communities on the coast can be driven into. the ones that can't be driven into more than likely don't use in a year a fraction of what that one "fuel barge" (in reality small tanker) was delivering through our sensitive inside waters up to alaska. as far as I'm concerned that fuel barge should go around 40 miles or more offshore on the outside. or better yet haul the fuel up by land to the US. last I remember there's a road that goes into Alaska.Agreed, And once they face reality of no fuel deliveries up the coast they'll come back to the real world.
Bigdogeh, Trophywife and others are also correct - they could have gone offshore way farther (away from the rocks and the clam beds). This was a large tug and a large barge. That so-called "gentleman's agreement" wrt the so-called tanker moratorium should have applied here.Canadian tugs with fuel barges also frequent Sensitive waters (are there any other kind?) ...Sending everyone into the open Pacific Northwest is not the answer.
it will always be about financial compensation... once enough monies are paid to the bands,, its on.
no amount of money will replace the damage that an oil spill can do. do you think the first nations and fishermen were happy with any compensation they may have received with the damage the exxon valdez produced? Do you have any idea of the stresses involved when people had their lively-hoods taken away from them? it took more than 20 years for most that had claims to be compensated. and many still haven't been or have died in the meantime.
https://thinkprogress.org/the-exxon...e-full-amount-awarded-2bdb3d0a3ced#.un9rjq9uk
You are wrong Trophy. the Lax Kw'alaams Band turned down $1.2B - they aren't moving any wheres neither.you are exactly correct, maybe i should have added," once compensated it opens a flood gate of prepaying for spills that will happen. Bands and members will get ALOT of compensation.. so if they cant sustain a livelihood where they live , them or the next generation move away"...pipe lines will be built. the "keepers of the land" will be rich... hopefully i am wrong.
You are wrong Trophy. the Lax Kw'alaams Band turned down $1.2B - they aren't moving any wheres neither.
http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum...skeena-river-estuary.60243/page-4#post-806542Pretty sure we covered this a couple weeks ago and the latest info showed their support. Standing by for the part where people pick and choose which government supplied info they want to believe.
Ya - those provincial scriptwriters - paid through your and my taxes - had to scrape to selectively say something supportive, too. If on one of the 1st votes - only 532 out of a 3219 membership (2009 stats) voted to continue discussions (and only provided the environment is protected) - then 83.5% thought further discussions were pointless - even after a $1.15B bribe. Lindsey didn't provide that stat in their news release.
http://laxkwalaams.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/lax-web-content-salmon-report-final-nov2-1.pdf
http://laxkwalaams.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/11-2015-Dec-17-LK-Salmon-Science-Report-11.pdf
So just to be clear, because Bella Bella only needs a relatively small amount of fuel, you are suggesting that fuel trucks chained down onto the decks of barely regulated vessels is preferable to monitored double hulled fuel barges?! So where do you draw the line? Deliveries of 60000L are ok by trucks on barges but over that is for double hulled fuel barges?How long did the fuel truck that went down on a crappy barge in Johnstone strait leak fuel? I believe it was over a year, although in this particular instance it was indeed a lesser amount of fuel than the Nathan has puked out.Many communities on the coast - you can't drive to. But Bigdogeh is right - they don't use that monster barge. That's an Alaskan barge. Other coastal communities most often use a barge that has fuel trucks on it - to refuel. Bigdogeh, Trophywife and others are also correct - they could have gone offshore way farther (away from the rocks and the clam beds). This was a large tug and a large barge. That so-called "gentleman's agreement" wrt the so-called tanker moratorium should have applied here.