Cuba Libre
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And on the other front..... http://kochcash.org/just-released-billionaires-carbon-bomb/
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interesting article today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/25/u...ght-lifts-environmental-movement.html?hp&_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/25/u...ght-lifts-environmental-movement.html?hp&_r=0
GLG
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Just read this report and a few things came to mind.
How much is this going to cost the taxpayer.
I need to find out more about Project Cargo and the energy products that Alberta needs.
I get the idea that Ontario might want to know about that one.
http://www.energy.alberta.ca/Org/pdfs/AB-BC_Recommendations_Report.pdf
How much is this going to cost the taxpayer.
I need to find out more about Project Cargo and the energy products that Alberta needs.
I get the idea that Ontario might want to know about that one.
http://www.energy.alberta.ca/Org/pdfs/AB-BC_Recommendations_Report.pdf
Foxsea
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Crude oil proposals create 'very high' B.C. coast risk
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...als-create-very-high-b-c-coast-risk-1.2517425
The coast of southern British Columbia is one of the Canadian areas most vulnerable to marine oil spills and among the most likely for a major spill to occur, according to a government-commissioned risk analysis. The study, delivered this month to Transport Canada, looks at the risks associated with marine oil spills south of the 60th parallel under current shipping volumes.
It identifies the southern tip of Vancouver Island, the Cabot Strait off Newfoundland, the eastern coast of Cape Breton Island and the Gulf of St. Lawrence as the most probable areas for a major oil spill.
...
Near-shore risks 'very high'
The report assessed the potential impact of four proposed pipeline projects, including the Northern Gateway pipeline to Kitimat and Kinder Morgan's plan to almost triple its Trans Mountain line into Vancouver.
The report says the Kinder Morgan proposal "would essentially double the volume of oil passing through" an already vulnerable marine environment, the area south of Vancouver Island where Washington-bound oil tankers are common.
"Doubling the volume of oil passing through Pacific sub-sector 5 would likely increase the spill risks to 'very high' for all zones (nearshore, intermediate and deep sea) for 10,000 square meter spill volume and greater," says the report.
The Northern Gateway marine route through the Douglas Channel out of Kitimat, meanwhile, would "raise the near-shore risk from 'very low' to 'very high' as observed in the Vancouver region (sub-sector 5)," states the report.
And risks for the largest spills in the deep sea sectors off the B.C. coast would rise from low to medium "due to the increase in traffic of very large volumes from sub-sector 2 to Asia or California."
However, pipeline proposals in the east weren't found to raise the risk of marine spills.
The study found that reversing Enbridge's Line 9 to carry Western Canadian crude to refineries in Montreal and Quebec City would actually lower marine spill risks, as it would reduce oil imports through the sensitive Gulf of St. Lawrence.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...als-create-very-high-b-c-coast-risk-1.2517425
The coast of southern British Columbia is one of the Canadian areas most vulnerable to marine oil spills and among the most likely for a major spill to occur, according to a government-commissioned risk analysis. The study, delivered this month to Transport Canada, looks at the risks associated with marine oil spills south of the 60th parallel under current shipping volumes.
It identifies the southern tip of Vancouver Island, the Cabot Strait off Newfoundland, the eastern coast of Cape Breton Island and the Gulf of St. Lawrence as the most probable areas for a major oil spill.
...
Near-shore risks 'very high'
The report assessed the potential impact of four proposed pipeline projects, including the Northern Gateway pipeline to Kitimat and Kinder Morgan's plan to almost triple its Trans Mountain line into Vancouver.
The report says the Kinder Morgan proposal "would essentially double the volume of oil passing through" an already vulnerable marine environment, the area south of Vancouver Island where Washington-bound oil tankers are common.
"Doubling the volume of oil passing through Pacific sub-sector 5 would likely increase the spill risks to 'very high' for all zones (nearshore, intermediate and deep sea) for 10,000 square meter spill volume and greater," says the report.
The Northern Gateway marine route through the Douglas Channel out of Kitimat, meanwhile, would "raise the near-shore risk from 'very low' to 'very high' as observed in the Vancouver region (sub-sector 5)," states the report.
And risks for the largest spills in the deep sea sectors off the B.C. coast would rise from low to medium "due to the increase in traffic of very large volumes from sub-sector 2 to Asia or California."
However, pipeline proposals in the east weren't found to raise the risk of marine spills.
The study found that reversing Enbridge's Line 9 to carry Western Canadian crude to refineries in Montreal and Quebec City would actually lower marine spill risks, as it would reduce oil imports through the sensitive Gulf of St. Lawrence.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...5bd-844629433ba3_story.html?tid=auto_complete
this just released, could be bad news for the US.
this just released, could be bad news for the US.
GLG
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Nothing could go wrong...right?
An oil tanker that ran aground in Nunavut waters in 2012 did so because it didn't follow its charted course, says the Transportation Safety Board The TSB released its report Tuesday on the Oct. 25, 2012 incident involving the MV Nanny. The MV Nanny was leaving Baker Lake and carrying oil products when it spent two days grounded in Chesterfield Narrows. The area is marked by unlit beacons and allows for little margin of error.
The TSB found that the ship ran aground because it had deviated from its charted route.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/oil-tanker-off-course-when-it-ran-aground-in-nunavut-1.2522730
An oil tanker that ran aground in Nunavut waters in 2012 did so because it didn't follow its charted course, says the Transportation Safety Board The TSB released its report Tuesday on the Oct. 25, 2012 incident involving the MV Nanny. The MV Nanny was leaving Baker Lake and carrying oil products when it spent two days grounded in Chesterfield Narrows. The area is marked by unlit beacons and allows for little margin of error.
The TSB found that the ship ran aground because it had deviated from its charted route.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/oil-tanker-off-course-when-it-ran-aground-in-nunavut-1.2522730
GLG
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Keystone foes mount new challenge by linking it to Enbridge’s Alberta Clipper
Opponents of Keystone XL now want to block its construction by showing that two oil pipelines from Canada to the U.S. are worse than one.
The Sierra Club said TransCanada Corp.’s Keystone and the proposed expansion of Enbridge Inc.’s Alberta Clipper should be reviewed together to account for how the combination would contribute to climate change. The San Francisco-based environmental group is filing a petition today asking the U.S. State Department to revise its Keystone review.
“If you look at each project in isolation, it doesn’t present the full picture,” Doug Hayes, the Sierra Club lawyer who drafted the petition to Secretary of State John Kerry, said in an interview. “They need to look at the two projects together to see if there will be a climate impact.”
Accepting the petition could lead to further delays in the U.S. review of the Keystone application, which is already in its sixth year. Even if the State Department rejects the Sierra Club’s argument, the petition could be the foundation for a legal challenge, said Ethan Strell, associate director of Center for Climate Change Law at Columbia University in New York.
TransCanada, based in Calgary, said environmentalists will never be happy with the State Department review, which has generated thousands of pages of analysis.
http://business.financialpost.com/2...to-enbridges-alberta-clipper/?__lsa=cb3c-ce86
Opponents of Keystone XL now want to block its construction by showing that two oil pipelines from Canada to the U.S. are worse than one.
The Sierra Club said TransCanada Corp.’s Keystone and the proposed expansion of Enbridge Inc.’s Alberta Clipper should be reviewed together to account for how the combination would contribute to climate change. The San Francisco-based environmental group is filing a petition today asking the U.S. State Department to revise its Keystone review.
“If you look at each project in isolation, it doesn’t present the full picture,” Doug Hayes, the Sierra Club lawyer who drafted the petition to Secretary of State John Kerry, said in an interview. “They need to look at the two projects together to see if there will be a climate impact.”
Accepting the petition could lead to further delays in the U.S. review of the Keystone application, which is already in its sixth year. Even if the State Department rejects the Sierra Club’s argument, the petition could be the foundation for a legal challenge, said Ethan Strell, associate director of Center for Climate Change Law at Columbia University in New York.
TransCanada, based in Calgary, said environmentalists will never be happy with the State Department review, which has generated thousands of pages of analysis.
http://business.financialpost.com/2...to-enbridges-alberta-clipper/?__lsa=cb3c-ce86
Foxsea
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Nearly two thirds of British Columbians are opposed to the $6.5-billion Northern Gateway pipeline and the tankers it will bring to the northern coast, according to a poll commissioned by environmental groups. Conducted between Jan. 13-19, the Justason Market Intelligence poll of 600 people also found that 64 per cent (the same number that are opposed) believe the project will definitely or probably be built. The margin of error of the combined telephone and online poll is plus or minus four per cent. The survey showed that 92 per cent were aware of the project, which will carry diluted bitumen from the Alberta oilsands to Kitimat for transport by tanker overseas to open up Asian markets. The poll was commissioned by the Dogwood Initiative, ForestEthics Advocacy, Northwest Institute for Bioregional Research and West Coast Environmental Law.
- See more at: http://www.timescolonist.com/news/m...y-pipeline-poll-1.814164#sthash.pqrZWMzG.dpuf
Harper and the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers think the reason for this poll result is that Canadians lack "energy literacy" so they will spend millions in a campaign to educate us. Seems to me that most of us are plenty literate and we just don't want Northern Gateway. Listen up Harper!
- See more at: http://www.timescolonist.com/news/m...y-pipeline-poll-1.814164#sthash.pqrZWMzG.dpuf
Harper and the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers think the reason for this poll result is that Canadians lack "energy literacy" so they will spend millions in a campaign to educate us. Seems to me that most of us are plenty literate and we just don't want Northern Gateway. Listen up Harper!
Foxsea
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Why Harper will delay approval of the N.G. pipeline More to lose than to gain?
The prime minister may take more of the 180 days allowed to ponder assent of the Northern Gateway oil pipeline than his supporters in the oilpatch expect. The timetable set in motion by the Joint Review Panel’s conditional approval of the project on Dec. 19 could prove troublesome for the Tories. Assuming the cabinet greenlights Gateway, proponent Enbridge Inc. would begin construction in the second half of the year. That raises the possibility of court challenges by First Nations, blockades along the pipeline route between Edmonton and Kitimat, B.C., and rallies in major cities during the run-up to a federal election that must be called by October 2015.
The Conservatives have little electoral advantage to gain in pro-pipeline Alberta, where they won all but one seat in 2011. But confrontation over Northern Gateway could put their 21 (out of 36) seats in British Columbia at risk—more than enough to erase their parliamentary majority. (Both provinces will acquire six new constituencies in 2015.) Up against NDP and Liberal opposition parties both opposed to Gateway, Harper “can’t afford to lose many seats” in B.C., observes Richard Johnston, a professor of political science at the University of British Columbia. “There’s a handful in B.C. that would be up for grabs and potentially turn on this question, particularly in the outer suburbs of Greater Vancouver, not to mention two or three up north.”
more at: http://www.canadianbusiness.com/companies-and-industries/stephen-harper-northern-gateway-pipeline/
The prime minister may take more of the 180 days allowed to ponder assent of the Northern Gateway oil pipeline than his supporters in the oilpatch expect. The timetable set in motion by the Joint Review Panel’s conditional approval of the project on Dec. 19 could prove troublesome for the Tories. Assuming the cabinet greenlights Gateway, proponent Enbridge Inc. would begin construction in the second half of the year. That raises the possibility of court challenges by First Nations, blockades along the pipeline route between Edmonton and Kitimat, B.C., and rallies in major cities during the run-up to a federal election that must be called by October 2015.
The Conservatives have little electoral advantage to gain in pro-pipeline Alberta, where they won all but one seat in 2011. But confrontation over Northern Gateway could put their 21 (out of 36) seats in British Columbia at risk—more than enough to erase their parliamentary majority. (Both provinces will acquire six new constituencies in 2015.) Up against NDP and Liberal opposition parties both opposed to Gateway, Harper “can’t afford to lose many seats” in B.C., observes Richard Johnston, a professor of political science at the University of British Columbia. “There’s a handful in B.C. that would be up for grabs and potentially turn on this question, particularly in the outer suburbs of Greater Vancouver, not to mention two or three up north.”
more at: http://www.canadianbusiness.com/companies-and-industries/stephen-harper-northern-gateway-pipeline/
http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/7-environmental-charities-face-canada-revenue-agency-audits
7 environmental charities face Canada Revenue Agency audits
Protesters gather on Parliament hill on Monday Sept. 26, 2011 in Ottawa. Environmental charity groups say they are being targeted by the CRA through audits. Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press
Protesters gather on Parliament hill on Monday Sept. 26, 2011 in Ottawa. Environmental charity groups say they are being targeted by the CRA through audits. Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press
The Canada Revenue Agency is currently conducting extensive audits on some of Canada's most prominent environmental groups to determine if they comply with guidelines that restrict political advocacy, CBC News has learned.
If the CRA rules that the groups exceeded those limits, their charitable status could be revoked, which would effectively shut them down.
Many of the groups are among the Conservative government's fiercest critics. Finance Minister Jim Flaherty signalled clearly in his budget of 2012 that political activity of these groups would be closely monitored and he allocated $8 million to the effort. The environmental organizations believe they have been targeted with the goal of silencing their criticism.
“We’re concerned about what appears to be an increase in audits around political activity and in particular around environmental organizations,” said Marcel Lauzière, president of Imagine Canada, an umbrella organization for charities.
“There’s a big chill out there with what charities can and cannot do.”
The list of groups CBC has now confirmed are undergoing audits reads like a who’s who in the environmental charity world. They include:
- The David Suzuki Foundation
- Tides Canada
- West Coast Environmental Law
- The Pembina Foundation
- Environmental Defence
- Equiterre
- Ecology Action Centre
“This is a war against the sector,” says John Bennett, of Sierra Club Canada. His group is not yet being audited, but he said he is prepared.
"In the 40-year history of the Sierra Club Canada Foundation, it's been audited twice in 40 years," so there are more audits than usual, Bennett said.
CBC has confirmed that at least one group, Environmental Defence, has received its report back from the CRA and they are appealing it. Sources said their report threatened to revoke their charitable status. Another group, West Coast Environmental Law, had auditors fly in from Ottawa to enhance the work of the local CRA team. One source said the Ottawa CRA people called themselves “The A team.”
Most groups on this list would not talk on the record, but sources say executive directors of these groups are meeting regularly by phone to discuss a united response to the government.
By law, charities are allowed to use a maximum of 10 per cent of their resources for political activity or advocacy, but the guidelines are clear that it cannot be partisan activity. That has been interpreted for years to mean that a group can oppose a government policy but cannot back a specific candidate in an election.
During a pre-budget consultation in December, Flaherty said he is considering making even more changes to rules for charities that have a political aspect.
“We're reviewing that,” Flaherty said. “We spent some time on it last year and we're looking at it again now as I prepare the budget."
He went on to warn charities: “If I were an environmental charity using charitable money, tax-receipted money for political purposes, I would be cautious."
Bennett said the rules seem to be constantly changing.
“We don't know what rules we're playing by. The problem with this is that they gave the power to CRA to walk in and shut you down. And then if you want to complain, you can go to court afterwards."
The government insists it does not target certain charities, nor does it tell CRA to do so. Auditors alone determine whether they investigate a charity.
"I assume they receive all sorts of information from all sorts of Canadians, in terms of who they should or should not audit. Ultimately it is up to them as an independent agency who they audit or not,” Alberta Conservative MP James Rajotte said.
CBC News contacted the CRA several times to ask how auditing targets are chosen. Spokespeople suggested responses could be found on their website. There, it states some of the reasons a charity could be selected for an audit, including random selection, to review specific legal obligations under the law and to follow-up on possible non-compliance or complaints.
According to lawyer Mark Blumberg, who specializes in charity law, the CRA often audits charitable organizations based on complaints.
“If there are a number of complaints about a charity and its political activities, that could trigger an audit by CRA,” he said. That assessment is echoed by a number of groups currently undergoing audits.
“I believe our audit was complaint driven,” said Ross McMillan, the president and CEO of Tides Canada.
“I am confident of a positive outcome as we take seriously our responsibility to act in compliance with the Income Tax Act and Canada Revenue Agency guidelines,” he said.
Pro-oilsands group has filed complaints
McMillan goes on to cite complaints from Ethical Oil, a group that has formally submitted complaints to the CRA about Tides Canada, the David Suzuki Foundation and Environmental Defence.
The complaints are all filed through legal counsel and are part of a campaign Ethical Oil has started to strip these environmental groups of their charitable status.
Ethical Oil is a registered non-profit non-governmental organization that describes itself as an “online community” to empower people to become grassroots activists in defence of the oilsands development.
The group was founded by Alykhan Velshi, who is currently the director of issues management in the Prime Minister's Office. Environmental groups say Ethical Oil is funded by the oil and gas industry to try to undermine their work
CBC News has repeatedly asked Ethical Oil to reveal who their funders are but no specific list has been made public.
Environmental groups are not the only ones who have been audited. Social justice groups like Amnesty International Canada are also currently undergoing an audit about their political activities. CBC News contacted them but they declined to comment.
All the groups say they will be watching Tuesday's budget for new rules that may affect their charitable status.
"We have an important role to play in our society and we want to play that role," said Bennett. "But we need a governing system that actually welcomes public dialogue instead of discouraging it."
7 environmental charities face Canada Revenue Agency audits
Protesters gather on Parliament hill on Monday Sept. 26, 2011 in Ottawa. Environmental charity groups say they are being targeted by the CRA through audits. Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press
Protesters gather on Parliament hill on Monday Sept. 26, 2011 in Ottawa. Environmental charity groups say they are being targeted by the CRA through audits. Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press
The Canada Revenue Agency is currently conducting extensive audits on some of Canada's most prominent environmental groups to determine if they comply with guidelines that restrict political advocacy, CBC News has learned.
If the CRA rules that the groups exceeded those limits, their charitable status could be revoked, which would effectively shut them down.
Many of the groups are among the Conservative government's fiercest critics. Finance Minister Jim Flaherty signalled clearly in his budget of 2012 that political activity of these groups would be closely monitored and he allocated $8 million to the effort. The environmental organizations believe they have been targeted with the goal of silencing their criticism.
“We’re concerned about what appears to be an increase in audits around political activity and in particular around environmental organizations,” said Marcel Lauzière, president of Imagine Canada, an umbrella organization for charities.
“There’s a big chill out there with what charities can and cannot do.”
The list of groups CBC has now confirmed are undergoing audits reads like a who’s who in the environmental charity world. They include:
- The David Suzuki Foundation
- Tides Canada
- West Coast Environmental Law
- The Pembina Foundation
- Environmental Defence
- Equiterre
- Ecology Action Centre
“This is a war against the sector,” says John Bennett, of Sierra Club Canada. His group is not yet being audited, but he said he is prepared.
"In the 40-year history of the Sierra Club Canada Foundation, it's been audited twice in 40 years," so there are more audits than usual, Bennett said.
CBC has confirmed that at least one group, Environmental Defence, has received its report back from the CRA and they are appealing it. Sources said their report threatened to revoke their charitable status. Another group, West Coast Environmental Law, had auditors fly in from Ottawa to enhance the work of the local CRA team. One source said the Ottawa CRA people called themselves “The A team.”
Most groups on this list would not talk on the record, but sources say executive directors of these groups are meeting regularly by phone to discuss a united response to the government.
By law, charities are allowed to use a maximum of 10 per cent of their resources for political activity or advocacy, but the guidelines are clear that it cannot be partisan activity. That has been interpreted for years to mean that a group can oppose a government policy but cannot back a specific candidate in an election.
During a pre-budget consultation in December, Flaherty said he is considering making even more changes to rules for charities that have a political aspect.
“We're reviewing that,” Flaherty said. “We spent some time on it last year and we're looking at it again now as I prepare the budget."
He went on to warn charities: “If I were an environmental charity using charitable money, tax-receipted money for political purposes, I would be cautious."
Bennett said the rules seem to be constantly changing.
“We don't know what rules we're playing by. The problem with this is that they gave the power to CRA to walk in and shut you down. And then if you want to complain, you can go to court afterwards."
The government insists it does not target certain charities, nor does it tell CRA to do so. Auditors alone determine whether they investigate a charity.
"I assume they receive all sorts of information from all sorts of Canadians, in terms of who they should or should not audit. Ultimately it is up to them as an independent agency who they audit or not,” Alberta Conservative MP James Rajotte said.
CBC News contacted the CRA several times to ask how auditing targets are chosen. Spokespeople suggested responses could be found on their website. There, it states some of the reasons a charity could be selected for an audit, including random selection, to review specific legal obligations under the law and to follow-up on possible non-compliance or complaints.
According to lawyer Mark Blumberg, who specializes in charity law, the CRA often audits charitable organizations based on complaints.
“If there are a number of complaints about a charity and its political activities, that could trigger an audit by CRA,” he said. That assessment is echoed by a number of groups currently undergoing audits.
“I believe our audit was complaint driven,” said Ross McMillan, the president and CEO of Tides Canada.
“I am confident of a positive outcome as we take seriously our responsibility to act in compliance with the Income Tax Act and Canada Revenue Agency guidelines,” he said.
Pro-oilsands group has filed complaints
McMillan goes on to cite complaints from Ethical Oil, a group that has formally submitted complaints to the CRA about Tides Canada, the David Suzuki Foundation and Environmental Defence.
The complaints are all filed through legal counsel and are part of a campaign Ethical Oil has started to strip these environmental groups of their charitable status.
Ethical Oil is a registered non-profit non-governmental organization that describes itself as an “online community” to empower people to become grassroots activists in defence of the oilsands development.
The group was founded by Alykhan Velshi, who is currently the director of issues management in the Prime Minister's Office. Environmental groups say Ethical Oil is funded by the oil and gas industry to try to undermine their work
CBC News has repeatedly asked Ethical Oil to reveal who their funders are but no specific list has been made public.
Environmental groups are not the only ones who have been audited. Social justice groups like Amnesty International Canada are also currently undergoing an audit about their political activities. CBC News contacted them but they declined to comment.
All the groups say they will be watching Tuesday's budget for new rules that may affect their charitable status.
"We have an important role to play in our society and we want to play that role," said Bennett. "But we need a governing system that actually welcomes public dialogue instead of discouraging it."
ziggy
Well-Known Member
I don't share the writers view that the Liberal Party has actually opposed anything. All the quotes I've read from Trudeau seem somewhat vague and open to interpretation. His latest "pipelines yes, but not there" is a prime example. Does he want to simply modify the route? If so to where? I'd be more comfortable if he dropped the vague doublespeak and said that there would be no pipeline through BC. If he has I've yet to see it?
Foxsea
Well-Known Member
Trudeau is clearly on the record as against Northern Gateway and has been for some time:
Federal Liberal leadership contender Justin Trudeau has suggested a pipeline to move oil from Western Canada to the east could open up new markets and give new life to refineries, such as those in his hometown of Montreal. During a campaign stop in Calgary on Monday night, Mr. Trudeau restated his opposition to the Northern Gateway pipeline through British Columbia due to environmental concerns and lack of consultation with first nations, but said he is “not opposed to pipelines” in general.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-hes-not-opposed-to-pipelines/article7936001/
He has also stated support for the Keystone XL pipeline and some expansion of the tarsands:
In a speech to the Calgary Petroleum Club last week, Trudeau said he supported Keystone XL because, “having examined the facts, and accepting the judgment of the National Energy Board, I believe it is in the national interest. On balance, it would create jobs and growth, strengthen our ties with the world’s most important market and generate wealth,” Trudeau said. “It would offer much-needed flexibility to a constrained continental energy delivery system."
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/11/04/justin-trudeau-walks-fine-line-with-oil-sands-stance/
Recently, in Calgary, he said:
“Pipeline policy in general is one of the most important responsibilities of a Canadian prime minister and of a Canadian government – to make sure we can get our resources to market. We are a natural resource economy and we need to be able to do that. However, we need to do that in the right way. A right way that is sustainable, that has community support and buy-in, and that fits into a long-term strategy of not just a sustainable environment but a sustainable economy.
“Because of that I have been a strong promoter of the Keystone XL pipeline and also a harsh critic on the way the prime minister has approached pushing the Keystone XL pipeline. To my mind, the only thing that has prevented Keystone XL from getting approved already in the United States – and what has allowed it become such a polarizing issue, with celebrities weighing in and all sorts of people having very strong opinions even though there is not necessarily all that many facts going around in many of the conversations – is that the prime minister hasn’t done a good enough job of demonstrating a level of commitment to doing it right and upholding environmental protections and regulations. That’s what President Obama has said many times – that he needs to see concrete action from Canada – and what we get is all words. So I’m very much a proponent of Keystone XL.
“For similar reasons, I’m not a proponent of the Northern Gateway Pipeline … which runs through the Great Bear Rainforest, which has spectacularly failed at getting community buy-in from First Nations communities and from local communities that could be potentially affected by it. And it’s not just an environmental argument, it’s also an economic argument. There are 20,000 British Columbians who make their living on the sea around Haida Gwaii and on the Pacific Coast. They would all be in peril – those jobs, those livelihoods – with a catastrophic accident, which, unfortunately, is all too capable.
“So, my intent is to make sure we send Enbridge back to the drawing board for that. I am, however, very interested in the Kinder Morgan pipeline, the Trans Mountain pipeline that is making its way through. I certainly hope that we’re going to be able to get that pipeline approved. And I hope that Kinder Morgan learns from Enbridge’s experience of short-cutting or going too light on community buy-in. Ultimately governments grant permits, but only communities grant permission.”
http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/91...olitics-pipelines-and-pot-with-metro-calgary/
Big Green Machine
Well-Known Member
All those people who sacrificed being away from their families, worked in carcengenic environments, and assisted in the devastation of our environment, all in the name of big fancy trucks, boats, and campers, can see how little they mean to the oil industry. Sure hope it was worth it.
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Gunsmith
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No matter where you live you are supporting these companies when you buy fossil fuels. I just wonder how many of you would be able to survive if it was totally banned and forbidden to use anywhere?
You talk big about what is dirty and what isn't, smell the coffee! Your biggest problem is not going to be how to stop what is in motion, but how are you going to adapt to what is happening.
Sorry to be so blunt but those are cold, hard facts caused by our dependence on oil.
You talk big about what is dirty and what isn't, smell the coffee! Your biggest problem is not going to be how to stop what is in motion, but how are you going to adapt to what is happening.
Sorry to be so blunt but those are cold, hard facts caused by our dependence on oil.
cuttlefish
Well-Known Member
Agreed Gunsmith it is all because of our dependence on oil. But I think you could drop the "Y" on that quote and say "Our biggest problem is..." What is in motion will stop when it runs out. I agree with the rest; "How are WE going to adapt when that happens because IT IS HAPPENING. Maybe not in our lifetimes but bitumen is the bottom of the barrel. We all know that.
I totally support keeping one area of our coast super tanker free. With Keystone XL, twinning Kinder Morgan, Line 9 (or whatever it's called) going East, do we really even need Gateway? To say it's because the Asians need it and we need to "diversify" our markets for a better price just doesn't cut it with me. How much is enough already?
This mentality reminds me of my father-in-law who, when his wife asked why he was driving so fast, used to say, "I gotta hurry up and get there before we run out of gas."
Gunsmith
Well-Known Member
Yes cuttlefish the problem is mine also, I am no better than anyone else. I just cannot accept the protests from those who think they are not part of the problem. We all own this problem.
Problem with mankind is we watch the parade go by and walk away after looking for another parade.
Problem with mankind is we watch the parade go by and walk away after looking for another parade.
Big Green Machine
Well-Known Member
Good point Sir, it's refreshing to see people in the industry to actually engage in a meaningful conversation about this instead of just blaming Neil Young or justifying this because it puts fat paycheques in their bank account,
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