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What do a $400 renters’ rebate, 114,000 new units of affordable housing, $10-a-day child care and a Hydro rate freeze have in common? They’re all campaign promises the NDP have broken.

A few hours ago the BC Utilities Commission confirmed rate hikes for BC Hydro, meaning your monthly bill will go up.

In their decision the BC Utilities Commission was clear the NDP could have frozen rates if they wanted to. But they chose not to, costing you and your family more.

“If the government wanted rates reduced, it could have forgone some of its economic return from Hydro, rather than sticking the Crown power corporation with the costs.” - Vancouver Sun, Mar 01/18

Of course they ain't going to let go of that cash cow...
Still focused on sticking it to the working man. :(

Eff 'Em.
Nog
 
IronNoggin said:
What do a $400 renters’ rebate, 114,000 new units of affordable housing, $10-a-day child care and a Hydro rate freeze have in common? They’re all campaign promises the NDP have broken.

A few hours ago the BC Utilities Commission confirmed rate hikes for BC Hydro, meaning your monthly bill will go up.

In their decision the BC Utilities Commission was clear the NDP could have frozen rates if they wanted to. But they chose not to, costing you and your family more.

“If the government wanted rates reduced, it could have forgone some of its economic return from Hydro, rather than sticking the Crown power corporation with the costs.” - Vancouver Sun, Mar 01/18

Of course they ain't going to let go of that cash cow...
Still focused on sticking it to the working man. :(

Eff 'Em.
Nog
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Predictable.
 
Complicated or not....Wilkinson pointed out the failures in the platform that got them elected. I guess they need the money to continue paying for some bridges...and another new one. :confused:;):rolleyes:

Opposition Liberal Leader Andrew Wilkinson said it’s another example of the NDP failing to live up to its promises.

“The same NDP that found it so easy to make big promises during an election campaign finds itself, once again, unable to deliver on them when in government,” he said in a statement.

“The Hydro rate freeze now joins the renters’ rebate, the 114,000 new units of affordable housing, $10-a-day child care and massive tax hikes on the NDP’s growing pile of broken promises.”​
 
LOL well what do you expect him to say.... "I'm sure glad they didn't do ever one of their promises as that would not been good governance" Where is the red meat in that.... No it's much better to fake left and act like you are upset with not getting all those promises. Much better red meat to rally some that can't see the difference between government and politics.
For the record I lean right but it seems to me the right has lost it's mind.
 
GLG said:
For the record I lean right but it seems to me the right has lost it's mind.
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As a right leaner as well....I am losing my mind at every level; Vision Vancouver and their butt, NDP and the guy who makes me want to punch my TV when I hear him speak and the Dairy Queen swirl we have running this country. :confused::rolleyes::confused::eek:o_O


I don't think the right has lost their mind....well, maybe when looking at the POTUS. I think we simply have too many leftys who care too much about social issues that they hear in the media and don't understand the importance of a strong economy. Social issue....renters rebate....won votes......budget....nope...not there.
 
Fishtofino said:
Maybe they should have done a little research on this subject before they made their promise?
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What? and let intelligent governance get in the way of a feel good promise? How unsporting of you......... Liberals, NDGreens..... is there really a party who can actually govern without the ********? I doubt it.

Having said that, have to agree with you Scotty. Right now there is a very unhealthy display of incompetence at every level of government like we have never experienced before. This style of governing by the latest on-line newspaper poll takes "knee-jerk" to a new level.......
 
I can't seem to wrap my head around how the conservatives still portray (and convince the public to believe) that they are fiscal stewards. Both in Canada and the US in the past several decades the Cons/Republicans have far outpaced the Libs/Dems in adding to our national debts. Just because a party 'says' they balance budgets does not mean they actually do. The other obvious aspect to consider is what the debt is used for. Paying for wars? Corporate welfare? tax cuts? infrastructure spending? etc. this is where I have the biggest issue with the right. Not only have they added hugely to the national debt, but they have added to it in recent decades by the largest transfer of wealth from the low/med income bracket to the top few %. Again, very easy to pull up income/wealth inequality data to view for yourself.

https://ipolitics.ca/2015/04/19/no-matter-how-you-add-it-up-harpers-fiscal-record-is-a-catastrophe/
In 1994-95, the federal deficit was 4.7 per cent of GDP. By 1997-98 the deficit had been eliminated and the federal government ran surpluses for the next nine years. The federal debt was actually reduced by $90 billion; the debt burden fell from 66.6 per cent in 1994-95 to 31.4 per cent in 2006-07.

How does this compare to the Harper government’s fiscal record? In 2006-07, the Conservatives inherited a surplus of $13.8 billion — which they turned into a deficit of $5.8 billion within two years.

Since then, they have been in deficit each and every year. In 2009-10, the deficit reached its peak of 3.5 per cent of GDP. They are desperate now to show a surplus in 2015-16 — one surplus in nine years. Since Harper was elected, the federal debt has increased by over $150 billion, wiping out the reduction in federal debt achieved under Chretien and Martin. Not much to boast about there.

wildmanyeah said:
Harper left a surplus and JT campaigned on more spending ( social programs). Christy left a surplus and Horgan campaign on more spending.

People don’t care about the budget when there getting a carrot dangled in frount of their face.

You can get more money for your kids or you can pay down government debt.

Regardless of your views on the government there’s nothing flashy about a government that’s chooses to pay down debt rather then put that money to work on social programs.

I very much doubt that will see JT balance budget at the end of his fist term he’s going to promis more spending and that he will balance it at the end of his second term.
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tincan said:
I can't seem to wrap my head around how the conservatives still portray (and convince the public to believe) that they are fiscal stewards. Both in Canada and the US in the past several decades the Cons/Republicans have far outpaced the Libs/Dems in adding to our national debts. Just because a party 'says' they balance budgets does not mean they actually do. The other obvious aspect to consider is what the debt is used for. Paying for wars? Corporate welfare? tax cuts? infrastructure spending? etc. this is where I have the biggest issue with the right. Not only have they added hugely to the national debt, but they have added to it in recent decades by the largest transfer of wealth from the low/med income bracket to the top few %. Again, very easy to pull up income/wealth inequality data to view for yourself.

https://ipolitics.ca/2015/04/19/no-matter-how-you-add-it-up-harpers-fiscal-record-is-a-catastrophe/
In 1994-95, the federal deficit was 4.7 per cent of GDP. By 1997-98 the deficit had been eliminated and the federal government ran surpluses for the next nine years. The federal debt was actually reduced by $90 billion; the debt burden fell from 66.6 per cent in 1994-95 to 31.4 per cent in 2006-07.

How does this compare to the Harper government’s fiscal record? In 2006-07, the Conservatives inherited a surplus of $13.8 billion — which they turned into a deficit of $5.8 billion within two years.

Since then, they have been in deficit each and every year. In 2009-10, the deficit reached its peak of 3.5 per cent of GDP. They are desperate now to show a surplus in 2015-16 — one surplus in nine years. Since Harper was elected, the federal debt has increased by over $150 billion, wiping out the reduction in federal debt achieved under Chretien and Martin. Not much to boast about there.
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Make sure you ignore the part about a world wide recession 2008-2010. If Mr Selfie was in charge instead of Harper i suggest we would be in even more financial pain than we are.
 
... and the worldwide recession was the result of???

1) Corporate America/Canada lobby groups that fought tooth and nail for deregulation of the banking/finance industry via massive corruption / political contributions and these same billionaires and corporations were bailed out by taxpayers after the collapse leading to even more grotesque levels of wealth inequality (and the cycle continues). or...
2) Obama?

Fishtofino said:
Make sure you ignore the part about a world wide recession 2008-2010. If Mr Selfie was in charge instead of Harper i suggest we would be in even more financial pain than we are.
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tincan said:
They are desperate now to show a surplus in 2015-16 — one surplus in nine years. Since Harper was elected, the federal debt has increased by over $150 billion, wiping out the reduction in federal debt achieved under Chretien and Martin. Not much to boast about there.
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In Canada it did take political courage for the Chretien and Martin Liberals to tackle the deficit issue. They did benefit from an opposition (Reform) that that was always pushing for MORE cuts, and the rapid reduction in world interest rates made debt servicing payments shrink drastically. Mulroney and his coalition with the Quebec Socialist/Separatists was never able to make any progress, but also had to deal with both the Liberals and NDP crying every time even a modest reduction was tabled. Harper did have to deal with the great recession which inflated debt, and the interest rate benefits were mostly already realized, but had the books balanced before Trudeau came in tossing money (borrowed) to any and everybody.

US Conservatives are useless as far as debt and deficits. In the US there are never real cuts. Cuts are "reductions in increases" Chretien cut real govt spending by 2%. In the US there are only tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy. US conservatives are more occupied trying to eliminate abortion, promote gun ownership and support white supremacy than debt and deficit.
 
Martin was amazing for fiscal responsibility, But no sunny ways telling people were going to have to cut social programs or raise taxes to pay down debt.
 
Venezuela.
 
Pippen said:
As a right leaner as well....I am losing my mind at every level; Vision Vancouver and their butt, NDP and the guy who makes me want to punch my TV when I hear him speak and the Dairy Queen swirl we have running this country. :confused::rolleyes::confused::eek:o_O


I don't think the right has lost their mind....well, maybe when looking at the POTUS. I think we simply have too many leftys who care too much about social issues that they hear in the media and don't understand the importance of a strong economy. Social issue....renters rebate....won votes......budget....nope...not there.
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Pipps even though we have different views on hockey i SOOOOO agree with you on this, keep up the good work buddy :)
 
Judging by peoples boats and trucks on this fourm id say that most people on this forum are pretty well off.

So if any of you would like to donate a portion of your income to me id gladly lean far more to the left and leave my environmentally destructive job.

Until then I will remain what they call an Economical Liberal.
 
Fishtofino said:
Make sure you ignore the part about a world wide recession 2008-2010. If Mr Selfie was in charge instead of Harper i suggest we would be in even more financial pain than we are.
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Well that's not the whole story on Harper and his budget from that time. He first proposed to cut the budget by 2 billion. His answer of what to do in the crisis. That lead to a general revolt from the political and economic class. He later relented and added 30 billion to the economy (deficit) to get things moving again. He was also chastised for not getting that money out there fast enough, remember "shovels in the ground". The sad fact is that Harper was from the "Calgary School" of economics that turns out to be mostly hot air. Harper may have been many things but an economist was not one of them.
 
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GLG said:
... The sad fact is the Harper was from the "Calgary School" of economics that turns out to be mostly hot air. Harper may have been many things but an economist was not one of them.
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My Father and his colleagues were considered the very best Economists in Canada at the time.
Most would shudder if they knew what that crew thought of Harper being lumped in with them.

You are Bang On. An "economist" he was not.

Cheers,
Nog
 
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