Feds buy KM pipeline

For those that are opposed to a pipeline being constructed due to the potential for environmental impact, spills, tanker traffic, etc. I'd like you to to consider the alternative.
According to the most recent monthly statistics from the NEB (National Energy Board), there were 170,622 barrels of oil exported per day in March of 2018 nearly setting a record of 5,289,282 barrels of oil for the month (that is 840,522 cubic meters or 840.522000 million liters. This information can be found here: https://www.neb-one.gc.ca/nrg/sttstc/crdlndptrlmprdct/stt/cndncrdlxprtsrl-eng.html

Since Alberta is the largest Canadian exporter of oil and since BC is the nearest exporting port, I don't think it would take a genius to figure that out. Even if it is transported by rail to the lower mainland for refining, it's still being transported.

According to the Georgia Straight, 2014 was a record year for the number of trains passing through the province carrying various forms of oil. https://www.straight.com/news/800451/record-number-trains-carrying-oil-passed-through-bc-2014.

The unfortunate part of rail cars is that the vast majority of them transport along transportation corridors (close proximity to roads and highways) that pass through highly populated areas. Whether any of us like it or not, this product is going to be exported one way or the other. I think it would be a sobering eye opener to many if you had any understanding of what goods are transported to and from port through BC, including dangerous and hazardous materials. If pipeline developments fail, both CN and CP have major skin in the game to significantly increase rail shipments. Have you wondered why Bill Gates is the largest single shareholder of CN rail?

Just some points to ponder.

Pretty weak argument as, if the volumes of product shipped weren’t going to expand exponentially, there wouldn’t have been an economically viable project in the first place, Notley and all the Albertans on this forum wouldn’t have been crying for the past couple of months and Turd-eau wouldn’t have bought us all a pipeline project.

There is no comparison between the volumes spilled into the environment from a significant train derailment,where each tanker car has a relatively small volume and is its own self-contained vessel, vs a significant pipeline rupture. There is also no denying that pipelines and ocean tankers have a long, dirty history of accidents and spills. If we’re all being honest, it isn’t a matter of if, it’s a matter of when and the when becomes a lot more likely the more volume is shipped, the more pipelines we have and the more tanker traffic we get - it is simple probabilities mathematics.

No one can pretend that increasing the transport of our unrefined oil by the degree proposed will come with no increased environmental risk, and eventually environmental damage. By all means argue about jobs or economics but don’t be ignorant and pretend that those don’t come with trade offs and that one of the more significant trade offs will be environmental risks and, eventually, the inevitable spills.

Cheers!

Ukee
 
For those that are opposed to a pipeline being constructed due to the potential for environmental impact, spills, tanker traffic, etc. I'd like you to to consider the alternative.
According to the most recent monthly statistics from the NEB (National Energy Board), there were 170,622 barrels of oil exported per day in March of 2018 nearly setting a record of 5,289,282 barrels of oil for the month (that is 840,522 cubic meters or 840.522000 million liters. This information can be found here: https://www.neb-one.gc.ca/nrg/sttstc/crdlndptrlmprdct/stt/cndncrdlxprtsrl-eng.html

Since Alberta is the largest Canadian exporter of oil and since BC is the nearest exporting port, I don't think it would take a genius to figure that out. Even if it is transported by rail to the lower mainland for refining, it's still being transported.

According to the Georgia Straight, 2014 was a record year for the number of trains passing through the province carrying various forms of oil. https://www.straight.com/news/800451/record-number-trains-carrying-oil-passed-through-bc-2014.

The unfortunate part of rail cars is that the vast majority of them transport along transportation corridors (close proximity to roads and highways) that pass through highly populated areas. Whether any of us like it or not, this product is going to be exported one way or the other. I think it would be a sobering eye opener to many if you had any understanding of what goods are transported to and from port through BC, including dangerous and hazardous materials. If pipeline developments fail, both CN and CP have major skin in the game to significantly increase rail shipments. Have you wondered why Bill Gates is the largest single shareholder of CN rail?

Just some points to ponder.
Why was the Energy East pipeline not in the National Interest? Surely transporting Canadian oil to Canadian refineries made more sense from a national point of view than shipping the product to China. Also you would have eliminated or reduced inbound crude tankers to the east and outbound tankers from the west! The KM pipeline could then move more refined product for sale in BC and (almost )everyone would go away happy. Is there a reason i.e. energy East was unable to ever handle the volume?
 
Why was the Energy East pipeline not in the National Interest? Surely transporting Canadian oil to Canadian refineries made more sense from a national point of view than shipping the product to China. Also you would have eliminated or reduced inbound crude tankers to the east and outbound tankers from the west! The KM pipeline could then move more refined product for sale in BC and (almost )everyone would go away happy. Is there a reason i.e. energy East was unable to ever handle the volume?

Just check out China’s oil consumption vs Canada’s. That will answer your question.

Even with local consumption supplied by our Oil Sands, we still have product to export and it would be insane to deny that income.

Simple solution to people’s environmental fears. If we are going to go down the road of legislating every detail to the degree it turns off the capital flows, then why not just make the CEO/Boards of these private companies criminally responsible for negelence below them.
 
Pretty weak argument as, if the volumes of product shipped weren’t going to expand exponentially, there wouldn’t have been an economically viable project in the first place, Notley and all the Albertans on this forum wouldn’t have been crying for the past couple of months and Turd-eau wouldn’t have bought us all a pipeline project.

There is no comparison between the volumes spilled into the environment from a significant train derailment,where each tanker car has a relatively small volume and is its own self-contained vessel, vs a significant pipeline rupture. There is also no denying that pipelines and ocean tankers have a long, dirty history of accidents and spills. If we’re all being honest, it isn’t a matter of if, it’s a matter of when and the when becomes a lot more likely the more volume is shipped, the more pipelines we have and the more tanker traffic we get - it is simple probabilities mathematics.

No one can pretend that increasing the transport of our unrefined oil by the degree proposed will come with no increased environmental risk, and eventually environmental damage. By all means argue about jobs or economics but don’t be ignorant and pretend that those don’t come with trade offs and that one of the more significant trade offs will be environmental risks and, eventually, the inevitable spills.
Cheers!

Ukee

Ukee, it was neither presented as an argument nor a position really more of something to consider because frankly, I don't really think it has been. It's also a reality based on hard facts that oil will be moving one way or the other and if KM fails, the rail transport will increase exponentially.

The pretty weak argument is when people such as yourself as quoted above argue that the sky is falling because of the inevitable pipeline rupture and inevitable spill that are going to happen. I also don't think its fair for your association fallacy of "all the Albertans on this forum wouldn’t have been crying for the past couple of months". I know a number of Albertan's on this forum that haven't made a single peep about this pipeline either for or against it, myself included. I could really give two ***** about whether the pipeline is built or not really but I am tired of reading the ongoing NIMBY attitude of people here lately and elsewhere. And yes of course it is still a matter of probability of a because regardless of whether it is a 1/10 likelihood of it happening or a 1/10(100) both are mathematically 'probable'. Everything has a mathematical probability including me winning the Max Millions, which as of yet I still haven't unfortunately. Speaking of statistics, why is it that the majority of BC residents support the project? Why is it that many the of first nations groups that do support it who's area will be transited by the project?

Speaking of probabilities, what are the actual vs perceived odds of a newly constructed KM pipeline rupture or a significant tanker spill due to increases in traffic? I ask only because I have no clue. Speaking of probabilities, the odds are also that another Lac-Mégantic incident will happen in the lower mainland, increasing each year as rail traffic increases. I think part of the issue is that everyone that argues environmental impacts has a picture of the Exxon Valdez in their mind. Could that happen again? Mathematically, yes it could. Logically though, probably not. I raised the issue of rail traffic in similar context that you did. I think it's fair to say that we are in agreement that regardless of the mode of transportation, the increased in subsequent volume increases odds of an incident occurring. This is where individual bias and view come into play. Which would be worse environmentally, economically, socially, etc? Which would be the lesser of the evils? Which would be worse from a human impact with consideration of injury, illness or death? Which option is better?

I think the risk issue has really been beaten to death with all of the due diligence that has gone into the project itself. When considering some of recent stats from Angus Reid (about as good as it gets in independent public consultation) that said 54% of B.C residents support it while only 38% are opposed (assuming 8%+/- are undecided?). What again about the first nations groups that haven't publicly opposed it or even support it?

Its nothing personal Ukee. I've been sitting here trying to compose a respectful response for almost an hour when I have better things to do like get ready to go camping tomorrow! Lol. It would be much better to get together for a beer (or a rum or a few with Fishtofino) and actually discuss and debate respectfully as opposed to trying to type out sterile responses that do nothing but **** someone off on one side or the other.
 
Why was the Energy East pipeline not in the National Interest? Surely transporting Canadian oil to Canadian refineries made more sense from a national point of view than shipping the product to China. Also you would have eliminated or reduced inbound crude tankers to the east and outbound tankers from the west! The KM pipeline could then move more refined product for sale in BC and (almost )everyone would go away happy. Is there a reason i.e. energy East was unable to ever handle the volume?

I don't disagree and I have no idea about why with respect to Energy East.
 
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Why was the Energy East pipeline not in the National Interest? Surely transporting Canadian oil to Canadian refineries made more sense from a national point of view than shipping the product to China. Also you would have eliminated or reduced inbound crude tankers to the east and outbound tankers from the west! The KM pipeline could then move more refined product for sale in BC and (almost )everyone would go away happy. Is there a reason i.e. energy East was unable to ever handle the volume?



It’s a sad truth.... It’s how this Country has & always will be. It was in the national interest to set up unrest in the west for the benefit of, our “nation within a nation”. Quebec has over 3x the seats in parliament....
 
So where is this train unloading facility that is needed to expand the oil by rail to Vancouver and how many barrels a day can it handle? If there is going to be a huge increase in the amount of crude oil brought to tide water it would need to have somewhere to off load right? Personally I think this argument that crude oil rail traffic would increase is a red herring.
 
Ukee, it was neither presented as an argument nor a position really more of something to consider because frankly, I don't really think it has been. It's also a reality based on hard facts that oil will be moving one way or the other and if KM fails, the rail transport will increase exponentially.

The pretty weak argument is when people such as yourself as quoted above argue that the sky is falling because of the inevitable pipeline rupture and inevitable spill that are going to happen. I also don't think its fair for your association fallacy of "all the Albertans on this forum wouldn’t have been crying for the past couple of months". I know a number of Albertan's on this forum that haven't made a single peep about this pipeline either for or against it, myself included. I could really give two ***** about whether the pipeline is built or not really but I am tired of reading the ongoing NIMBY attitude of people here lately and elsewhere. And yes of course it is still a matter of probability of a because regardless of whether it is a 1/10 likelihood of it happening or a 1/10(100) both are mathematically 'probable'. Everything has a mathematical probability including me winning the Max Millions, which as of yet I still haven't unfortunately. Speaking of statistics, why is it that the majority of BC residents support the project? Why is it that many the of first nations groups that do support it who's area will be transited by the project?

Speaking of probabilities, what are the actual vs perceived odds of a newly constructed KM pipeline rupture or a significant tanker spill due to increases in traffic? I ask only because I have no clue. Speaking of probabilities, the odds are also that another Lac-Mégantic incident will happen in the lower mainland, increasing each year as rail traffic increases. I think part of the issue is that everyone that argues environmental impacts has a picture of the Exxon Valdez in their mind. Could that happen again? Mathematically, yes it could. Logically though, probably not. I raised the issue of rail traffic in similar context that you did. I think it's fair to say that we are in agreement that regardless of the mode of transportation, the increased in subsequent volume increases odds of an incident occurring. This is where individual bias and view come into play. Which would be worse environmentally, economically, socially, etc? Which would be the lesser of the evils? Which would be worse from a human impact with consideration of injury, illness or death? Which option is better?

Hi PL, I was teasing with the Albertan sfbc comment, but the rest of your response confirms the majority of my post. I’m not saying the sky is falling, never have, I didn’t say the inevitable spills will collapse the ecosystem or the fishery and have never said whether I supported the project or not. I tend to be a pragmatist and have seen this story enough times to know that big business and industry win the vast majority of the time so fully expected the project to be built. As the owner of a boat, and two family vehicles and discretionary trips by car and airplane, I’m an over-consumer of oil so I have no moral ground to bash the project, even if I was so inclined, which I’m not

The purpose of my post was to point out that pretending that things are just as bad now, or will be in the future, or that there is little or no environmental trade off is just flat out factually wrong. Unfortunately you double down on your comments with no basis in fact or reality - the fake news era in full display.

The fact is there is no rail capacity for any dramatic increase in oil shipment without massive rail expansion and twin tracking and terminal development. Are those things possible crystal balling into the future? Perhaps, but they aren’t currently being planned or part of our current reality. So, the fact remains that this pipeline project will exponentially increase transport to the coast regardless of whether or not rail capacity is maximized. It is also the reason tensions and stakes were so high - do you really think Notley would have reacted or the feds bought the project if they could just go to plan b, ship by rail? No, because rail transportation can’t take a small fraction of the expansion and capacity desired.

North Americans love to clear our conscience by pretending the choices we make and the things we do have no social or environmental trade offs or consequences. Your tactic above is one of the most common- pretending that the risk or consequences are simply made up or grossly exaggerated by NIMBYs and enviro-hippies. The other common tactic you use above is pretending the risk may be real but the odds are so small it’ll never actually happen. But the fact is the stats are available and have been discussed and spills and accidents will happen, that is the simple reality of pipelines and tankers whether it’s an inconvenient truth or not. As GLG pointed out recently the existing pipeline has had 70 documented spills or an avg of one for every year of its existence. Another post on another thread spoke to tanker traffic accident stats and the overall frequency of all events as well as major events leading to spills. I was surprised at the number, personally, but again they weren’t crazy numbers and based on the expected traffic there will be accidents on our coast unless the odds are magically bucked. There is, of course, the environmental impacts associated with the pipeline installation itself, particularly given the number of fish stream crossings that will be required. Finally there are the environmental impacts related to the oil sands expansion- the land clearing, water use and energy use required to extract Canadian oil is why it’s known as one of the worst sources, environmentally, in the world. These are facts whethervfolks want to deny them or not.

So, again, my point was to keep the discussions based in reality. Everyone has a right to their opinion and how they value the various trade offs, let’s just stop pretending there aren’t real trade offs on the environmental risk and consequence side of the equation.

Cheers!

Ukee
 
An interesting read....


The fatal flaw of Alberta's oil expansion


By Paul McKay in Opinion | March 7th 2018

Mine site in Alberta's oilsands. File photo by Andrew S. Wright

Previous story

Two weeks ago, the first supertanker capable of holding two million barrels of oil departed for the first time from America’s newly upgraded—and only—terminal able to dock and load crude-carrying behemoths of this size. Bound for China, the inaugural run signals a major shift in global oil shipping patterns, economics, and the highly competitive oil refinery business.

It is no accident that the Louisiana Offshore Oil Port (LOOP), terminal was built deep in the Mississippi Delta. To the south, a 29-kilometre pipeline stretches across the shallow Gulf of Mexico coastal shelf, to a point deep enough to allow Very Large Crude Carriers (VLCCs) to unload or load their vast tonnages of oil. Just north of Port Fourchon, an underground complex of salt caverns and surface tanks stores both oil imports headed for U.S. refineries, and fast-increasing volumes of oil bound for export.

The LOOP terminal is a speculator’s venture on steroids. Built with private capital, it is North America’s first oil port dedicated to the planet’s largest crude tankers, handling bi-directional oil flows. It’s designed to thrive on fierce global fights over not just oil supply and demand, but the multi-billion dollar bets corporate oil traders and hedge funds place, hoping to buy low and sell high—now, or two or five years from now.

Any VLCC from any country can now unload or load at LOOP. They can bring oil from the Persian Gulf, Nigeria, Russia, or Brazil. They can carry it—two million barrels at a time—to China, India, Indonesia, or Europe, at a shipping price lower than smaller tankers. And because the LOOP bi-directional pipeline can pump oil at a mind-bending 100,000 barrels per hour, supertankers can arrive with one load for refining and take off with another, by barely dropping anchor.

That will likely prove fatal to Alberta’s plans to expand unrefined bitumen exports either by the proposed Trans Mountain pipeline to the British Columbia coast, or the proposed Keystone XL pipeline because:

• Potential foreign refiners and customers will demand that future oil price, quality, shipping costs, and delivery speeds match those that LOOP can offer.

• For marine safety reasons, the maximum oil tanker cargo allowed through B.C.’s Burrard Inlet is an Aframax class ship at 80 per cent capacity carrying 550,000 barrels, only about one-quarter the load of a VLCC. That means a refiner in Asia would need to book and pay for four tankers to ship the same amount as from the LOOP terminal, then wait longer for the full order to arrive.

• The diluted bitumen Alberta wants to export has chemical and combustion properties that make it far inferior to the higher-quality oil LOOP has access to from U.S. formations in the Dakotas and Texas, or OPEC countries, or North Sea producers. Tar sands/oil sands bitumen can be upgraded and refined, but that adds significant costs and requires dedicated facilities.

• The terminus of the Keystone XL will be refineries on the Texas Gulf Coast near Houston which are not connected to the LOOP. Even if future Alberta bitumen were to be refined there, it would take three fully-loaded Aframax tankers leaving Texas for ship-to-ship transfers to each VLCC.

These important changes in tanker and terminal technology and scale are no secret in the oil industry outside Canada. Nor is the dirty chemical composition of tar sands/oil sands bitumen. Nor is the cutthroat competition among global oil producers, refiners, shippers, and speculators, in which nickels per barrel of oil delivered are fought over fiercely.

In fact, the bad news for Alberta’s oilpatch has been building for a decade. That’s when shipbuilders in South Korea, China and Japan began constructing what has become a global fleet of about 750 VLCCs (with 50 more ordered for 2018), and the scrapping of Aframax class tankers began accelerating. This in turn drove down the benchmark price for ocean oil shipping, triggered the LOOP terminal upgrade, effectively consigned oil terminals like those in Burnaby, B.C. to minor league status, and left oil deposits far from deep port tidewater at a significant cost disadvantage.

When the undeniably dirty content of Alberta’s bitumen deposits is added into these negative cost equations, global oil players know when to cut and run. Compared to conventional heavy crude, bitumen contains 102 times more copper, 21 times more vanadium, 11 times more sulphur, 11 times more nickel, six times more nitrogen, and five times more lead, according to the U.S. Geological Survey. It also has a much lower ratio of hydrogen to carbon, which degrades combustion efficiency.

This helps explain why, in the recent past, oil giants such as Exxon-Mobil, Conoco-Phillips, Royal Dutch Shell, Total S.A., and Norwegian oil company Statoil have abandoned gargantuan bitumen deposits in western Canada and/or taken billion-dollar write-downs, to the howls of shareholders.

For environmentalists and climate scientists, the chemical composition of Alberta bitumen is cause for deep worry about toxic air emissions, potential spills into waterways and aquifers, and further destabilizing the Earth’s precarious climate. Together with First Nations, they have vowed to fight long and hard for ecological reasons.

But for potential foreign purchasers of that oil, the key question is how much extra it will cost to extract the dirty chemical compounds in Alberta bitumen so that the quality is on par with export oil being produced at high-grade, low-cost shale formations like the Bakken, Permian, and Eagle Ford in the United States.

No refiners will pay the same price to process sweet light crude and bitumen because they have to make costly capital outlays to configure their refineries to extract higher sulphur and heavy metals like copper and lead, make up the hydrogen deficit of bitumen, then dispose of the mountains of chemical crud left over. So refiners—anywhere on the planet—will charge Alberta producers more to process each barrel of bitumen.

These facts are readily evident to those at the back end of the global oil supply chain. Alberta’s huge oilsands deposits cost too much to dig up, refine, and ship. They are in the wrong place, far from tidewater. And they rank among the dirtiest to refine into gasoline, aviation fuel, or home heating oil.

These are the reasons—hiding in plain sight—why Western Canada bitumen fetches the infamous “discount” price per barrel compared to oil supplies shipped from Texas and the North Sea. The LOOP terminal for VLCCs will magnify that spread, and no mythical Asian refiner, trader, or nation is likely to purchase for long a dirtier product that costs more and arrives on slower, smaller boats.

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Such details are apparently irrelevant to Alberta Premier Rachel Notley and her federal oilsands ally, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Instead, they seem to be choreographing a long con political gambit premised on blithe assurances that the optimal way to cut Alberta carbon emissions is to increase oilsands output by 40 per cent in the next 12 years.

You read that right. The oft-repeated “hard cap” the premier and prime minister publicly promote is a con. Alberta’s official energy plan is to increase oilsands emissions from 70 to 100 megatonnes per year by 2030.
 
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That 30-megatonne increase is roughly equal to the annual greenhouse gas emissions from all the cars, trucks, buses, and boats currently used by 14 million people in Ontario. Put another way, by 2030 Alberta’s annual extra oilsands emissions will be equal to importing an Ontario’s worth of vehicle GHGs each year thereafter. For decades.

The Notley/Trudeau tag team, of course, would not put it this way. They’ve deployed a sly lexicon of euphemisms to help sell what can likely never be sold to actual foreign oil purchasers. A 40 per cent oilsands expansion is solemnly christened a “hard cap”, in the manner of two drunks who vow to stay sober once their annual booze binge hits that higher limit.

Dirty bitumen becomes a “product” or a “resource”. How sanitary. Blowing a hole in Canada’s national carbon budget as pledged under the Paris climate agreement becomes a “nation-building” crusade. A tax to help cut carbon pollution is a brave, virtuous policy—but only if oilsands output can accelerate, and the tax rate is carefully calibrated to not put a dent in that. Fossil producers must pay royalties to help a debt-laden province—but are allowed to pay in barrels of raw bitumen instead of cash.

Perhaps this is normal political chicanery. It echoes Donald Trump’s campaign vow to bring back “clean” coal. That con may have garnered enough key electoral college votes to win the U.S. presidency, but major U.S. coal producers are now going bankrupt because the world price has plunged and utilities in the U.S. and elsewhere have found cheaper, cleaner ways to generate power.

Recently, Notley and Trudeau have begun to publicly warn that the very fate of Canada rests on future oilsands output; that the pending national carbon plan might be shattered if Alberta is not allowed to export billions more barrels of bitumen via two pending export pipelines; and that the Constitution would be sabotaged by any premier who failed to deliver unquestioned fealty to their grand vision.

But what if that’s all just a fiscal fantasy? Or worse, a fraud?

That question may seem unthinkable—even treasonous—in the political capitals of Ottawa and Edmonton. But it is being asked in Big Oil boardrooms in Houston and Paris, by national oil entities like Norway’s Statoil, by oil traders in London and New York, and by refinery operators in the U.S. and Asia. By people who, for better or worse, know how and where global oil will be made, bought, sold, and shipped in the next decade, and where a buck will best be made.

About 20 months ago, many of the Big Oil players began to cut their losses and quietly stampede away from the Alberta oilsands. Many bought into shale oil plays in the Dakotas and Texas.

Then Washington repealed a 40-year ban on the export of oil drilled by producers within the United States. Suddenly, Americans could sell to Asia and Europe. Countless more shale wells were drilled, American pipelines began filling to capacity, and high-quality crude began flowing faster to Texas and Louisiana refineries on the Gulf Coast.

By the end of 2017, U.S. oil production was at an historic high, vast storage tank farms were full, and even major OPEC countries—reeling from the tsunami of oil coming from their new American competitor—tried to shore up world prices by cutting production and selling premium blends at deeply discounted prices to Asian and U.S. customers.

Iran, Iraq, and Venezuela undercut that by increasing oil exports at rock bottom prices. China, oil traders, and hedge funds swooped in to buy unprecedented volumes of high-quality, low-cost oil to build inventories or store in VLCCs hunkered down in harbours across the globe. (That fleet of 750 supertankers could collectively store some 1.5 billion barrels of oil at any given time.)

That created a new normal which is likely to last for the foreseeable future, and spell disaster for any future Alberta tar sands/oil sands expansion. Like their competitors in the Persian Gulf, American shale oil producers can drill deposits quickly and cheaply, then tap or cap them depending on the transient price of oil. Some can survive at US$20 per barrel. Most need $40 to justify pumping and selling for a profit.

That has made American shale producers arch rivals of the Alberta oilpatch, where anticipated new projects require huge capital investments that can only be recouped over decades of unrelenting and profitable oil production. A consensus estimate of the world oil price needed to make that happen is US$80 to 100 per barrel. It is nowhere on the horizon.

By contrast, a minor swing in oil prices can cause a VLCC to change course mid-ocean and head for a new customer offering a better price. How could a new oilsands project be bankrolled when such price volatility is the new normal, and decades-long contracts are ancient history? It can’t.

This brings us back to the question of whether Premier Notley and Prime Minister Trudeau are merrily tripping the light fantastic upon hopes of a fossil revival, or practicing the darker art of deception. If serial failures to conduct even basic due diligence on global oil trends is a decisive clue, it is the latter.

There is no business case for an expansion of Alberta’s oilsands on the scale needed to justify the Keystone XL and Trans Mountain export pipelines because of one bare fact: there are zero foreign buyers who today will commit to decades-long purchase contracts for unrefined bitumen at a fixed price near US$80 per barrel. Instead, global traders will literally buy future oil by the boatload, then book terminal time at any deepwater ocean port like the LOOP, anywhere in the world, to embark with two million barrels in a single cargo.

Vancouver will never be one of those ports. No VLCC will ever arrive to offload foreign oil, then upload Alberta bitumen for a backhaul trip to foreign refineries. So the pending Trans Mountain pipeline plan to triple oilsands exports, and increase oil tanker traffic under the Lions Gate Bridge up to seven-fold, is doomed. So is the plan to expand oilsands output by 40 per cent. No amount of cheerleading, or demonizing, or pixie dust will change the raw laws of global oil economics.

Down deep in the Mississippi Delta, near the LOOP oil terminal which will likely never transfer a barrel of Alberta bitumen for export, Bayou bar parlance might sum up that fate with the laconic one-liner: “That dog won’t hunt.”

If only Premier Notley and Prime Minister Trudeau could match such penetrating clarity.

Paul McKay is an award-winning investigative reporter and author. His reports have been published by the Ottawa Citizen, Toronto Star, Globe and Mail, and Vancouver Sun. He can be reached at paul@paulmckay.com. This piece was published first on Energy Mix.
 
So where is this train unloading facility that is needed to expand the oil by rail to Vancouver and how many barrels a day can it handle? If there is going to be a huge increase in the amount of crude oil brought to tide water it would need to have somewhere to off load right? Personally I think this argument that crude oil rail traffic would increase is a red herring.
Found it......
It's about 10 railcars a day to feed Parkland refinery. So much for that massive increase in rail transport should the pipeline not get built. Just as I thought it's misinformation meant to scare folks and is allowed perpetuate in the public discourse to sway opinion. Not saying that folks on here have been deliberate with misinformation as I don't think that's the case. There is just so much BS around this project on both sides that it's hard to sive the truth. Too many agendas and not enough credible sources without biases views.
http://www.oilsandsmagazine.com/projects/crude-oil-rail-terminals
 
On average one extra tanker per day will be leaving Vancouver.....that's it.

US has funeled hundreds of millions in the past 10 years trying to stall Canada from exporting it's own oil through the media and activists.

The eventual tax revenue created by the KM expansion and getting a fair price per barrel will benefit all of Canada for the next 50 years.
 
You guys know you are arguing with people from the island that voted in 3
Green mla’ including Andrew weaver and one green mp Elizabeth May.

This forums main members are from south Vancouver island and it’s moderated by people from the island.

Just saying...
Yo i am from the island and would never vote for those dip *****
 
You caught me ..... I just got back from my time travel machine and will have a post from 2009 at any moment. Unless I decide to go back again and convince NBC to fire the star of Apprentice for his birther conspiracy comments.

R u saying what Andrew weaver say in that blog is wrong?

Seems odd considereing he is in the courts right now with a reference case about the regulation of dilbit.
 
R u saying what Andrew weaver say in that blog is wrong?

Seems odd considereing he is in the courts right now with a reference case about the regulation of dilbit.

Sorry I didn't read it so I can't comment on it. I just thought it was funny that you posted that I follow "news" from 2014. I do follow news and found there are some clever folks on twitter that actually make the stuff. I try to keep an open mind and I'm willing to look at both sides and judge their character and their arguments.
 
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