GLG
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Would he be talking about that blue line in the top right hand corner?
Yup hasn't warmed.... What a pile of hot air...
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Would he be talking about that blue line in the top right hand corner?
Yup hasn't warmed.... What a pile of hot air...
Englishman
Well-Known Member
Exactly el.pereh!
Soxy's level of intellect and ability to engage in rational debate may be gauged from the fact he always attacks the person, and uses juvenile words like "goof" and "loser" in so doing.
It does not matter how much science, facts and evidence you present to such persons, they will ignore it and resort to name calling. You cannot have a rational discussion with such people.
soxy
Member
Oh I get it. Because my list of scientists don't exist or are somehow mistaken or are liars .....You folks remind me of the golden calf worshippers. You are the arrogant and delusional bootlicking ones. You suffer from Rob Forditus.
soxy
Member
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tad_Murty
Tad S. Murty (or Murthy) is an Indian-Canadian oceanographer and expert on tsunamis. He is the former president of the Tsunami Society. He is an adjunct professor in the departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences[1] at the University of Ottawa.[2] Murty has a PhD degree in oceanography and meteorology from the University of Chicago. He is co-editor of the journal Natural Hazards[3] with Tom Beer of CSIRO and Vladimir Schenk of the Czech Republic.
Climate change
He has taken part in a review of the 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
Murty characterizes himself as a global warming skeptic. In an August 17, 2006 interview, he stated that "I started with a firm belief about global warming, until I started working on it myself...I switched to the other side in the early 1990s when Fisheries and Oceans Canada asked me to prepare a position paper and I started to look into the problem seriously.".[1] Murty has also stated that global warming is "the biggest scientific hoax being perpetrated on humanity. There is no global warming due to human anthropogenic activities."[4] Murty was among the sixty scientists from climate research and related disciplines who authored a 2006 open letter[5] to Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper criticizing the Kyoto Protocol and the scientific basis of anthropogenic global warming.
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Tad S. Murty (or Murthy) is an Indian-Canadian oceanographer and expert on tsunamis. He is the former president of the Tsunami Society. He is an adjunct professor in the departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences[1] at the University of Ottawa.[2] Murty has a PhD degree in oceanography and meteorology from the University of Chicago. He is co-editor of the journal Natural Hazards[3] with Tom Beer of CSIRO and Vladimir Schenk of the Czech Republic.
Climate change
He has taken part in a review of the 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
Murty characterizes himself as a global warming skeptic. In an August 17, 2006 interview, he stated that "I started with a firm belief about global warming, until I started working on it myself...I switched to the other side in the early 1990s when Fisheries and Oceans Canada asked me to prepare a position paper and I started to look into the problem seriously.".[1] Murty has also stated that global warming is "the biggest scientific hoax being perpetrated on humanity. There is no global warming due to human anthropogenic activities."[4] Murty was among the sixty scientists from climate research and related disciplines who authored a 2006 open letter[5] to Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper criticizing the Kyoto Protocol and the scientific basis of anthropogenic global warming.
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Dave H
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If you are really 63 years of age and worked for DFO for 15 years or so you may be one of the primary reasons DFO seems so screwed up, being as mind-numbingly stupid as you insist on appearing to be. Explains a lot.
But 63??
Really??
I don't mind skeptics if they can back their position up with something concrete, like evidence and stuff, but you have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that you're not a skeptic, you're a denier. Deniers in this day and age with everything that is available online in the way of scientific information cannot be anything other than stupid, as ignorance can be cured with education but there is obviously no cure for you.
Ian Plimer, Rex Murphy, Ezra Levant and several other little yappy attack dogs depend on the general ignorance of the public to get by with their brand of bullcrap so we know they will always have some fans as there will always be ignorant people.
P T Barnum noted this some years ago.
And anyone who thinks they are smarter than the thousands of highly educated scientists and researchers who work on the topic is truly the arrogant one, although we don't know whose boots you're licking at all. Perhaps some imaginary creature who you have faith in over the combined knowledge of mankind?
Some god or something??
Whatever the case, you've quickly made it pretty difficult for anyone here to take anything you espouse seriously, given the stupidity of most of it.
Take care.
But 63??
Really??
I don't mind skeptics if they can back their position up with something concrete, like evidence and stuff, but you have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that you're not a skeptic, you're a denier. Deniers in this day and age with everything that is available online in the way of scientific information cannot be anything other than stupid, as ignorance can be cured with education but there is obviously no cure for you.
Ian Plimer, Rex Murphy, Ezra Levant and several other little yappy attack dogs depend on the general ignorance of the public to get by with their brand of bullcrap so we know they will always have some fans as there will always be ignorant people.
P T Barnum noted this some years ago.
And anyone who thinks they are smarter than the thousands of highly educated scientists and researchers who work on the topic is truly the arrogant one, although we don't know whose boots you're licking at all. Perhaps some imaginary creature who you have faith in over the combined knowledge of mankind?
Some god or something??
Whatever the case, you've quickly made it pretty difficult for anyone here to take anything you espouse seriously, given the stupidity of most of it.
Take care.
soxy
Member
Add another one to your list Dave.H...Tad S. Murty...but he must be "mind numbingly stupid" aye Davey boy?
"This is the biggest scientific hoax being perpetrated on humanity. There is no global warming due to human anthropogenic activities. The atmosphere hasn’t changed much in 280 million years, and there have always been cycles of warming and cooling. The Cretaceous period was the warmest on earth. You could have grown tomatoes at the North Pole." [3]
Key Quotes
"It turns out that our planet -- and therefore the science that attempts to describe it -- is immensely more complicated than Kyoto supporters suggest. Forty billion dollars buys a lot of science, and that science is paying off. We now understand the complexity and natural variability of climate in ways that were unimaginable just 10 years ago.
But the price of this understanding is that we now know that we do not know why the Earth is warming. We do not know if humans have anything to do with it, and they may well not. The scientific assumption behind the Kyoto protocol, namely that humans are known to be significantly interfering with an otherwise unchanging climate, is simply false. A new era of climate science lies before us."
"This is the biggest scientific hoax being perpetrated on humanity. There is no global warming due to human anthropogenic activities. The atmosphere hasn’t changed much in 280 million years, and there have always been cycles of warming and cooling. The Cretaceous period was the warmest on earth. You could have grown tomatoes at the North Pole." [3]
Key Quotes
"It turns out that our planet -- and therefore the science that attempts to describe it -- is immensely more complicated than Kyoto supporters suggest. Forty billion dollars buys a lot of science, and that science is paying off. We now understand the complexity and natural variability of climate in ways that were unimaginable just 10 years ago.
But the price of this understanding is that we now know that we do not know why the Earth is warming. We do not know if humans have anything to do with it, and they may well not. The scientific assumption behind the Kyoto protocol, namely that humans are known to be significantly interfering with an otherwise unchanging climate, is simply false. A new era of climate science lies before us."
This thread is getting close to deteriorating to the point of no return, with some of the name calling. It might be time to agree to disagree, or, at the very least get the respect factor back on track. We try very hard to allow both sides to share their viewpoint but please keep it civil.
Brian
Brian
Dave H
Well-Known Member
Gee, I like all the science you posted to back up his claims.
And he calls himself a skeptic but produces nothing but rhetoric, the same as the vast majority of deniers.
Ergo, he's a denier too.
And, IMHO, unless you're paid to be a denier, as many are, then you're just stupid.
And here's my last comment to you:
Take care.
walleyes
Crew Member
I don't think these guys will ever see it soxy,, never. They don't want the truth,, there's no catastrophe in it,, no cause to get behind,, nothing to blame on anybody.. Things can't be the way they are just because,, there has to be some horrible reason behind it..
We have posted up as many if not more science and information against this fraud as you guys have for it,, why are the scientist against it kooks ?? I don't call the ones for it kooks,, they are just frauds. People that sold their integrity for a buck. Look these people were hired to go out there and prove that global warming is happening,, do you all not see the irony in this.. The people that are denying it are simply saying,, the proof isn't there and it's not,, it's made up,, their information is twisted or out and out false about what is happening.. They were "payed" and "told" what to come up with before they started the studies,,, What !!! How can anyone possibly take this as science,, it's coercion !!
My God people,, get something else to do with your lives.. Save lives, feed the homeless,, cure cancer,, get a real job what ever. If all these politicians and celebrities put this much effort into real world issues someone might respect them,, they might actually accomplish something useful other than just destroying the economy of nations, other than joining in with these socialist dictators trying to break the free enterprise of free nations into welfare government fed robots..
WAKE UP !!! It's a farce and your falling for it,, they are stealing your hard earned money supporting a lie...
We have posted up as many if not more science and information against this fraud as you guys have for it,, why are the scientist against it kooks ?? I don't call the ones for it kooks,, they are just frauds. People that sold their integrity for a buck. Look these people were hired to go out there and prove that global warming is happening,, do you all not see the irony in this.. The people that are denying it are simply saying,, the proof isn't there and it's not,, it's made up,, their information is twisted or out and out false about what is happening.. They were "payed" and "told" what to come up with before they started the studies,,, What !!! How can anyone possibly take this as science,, it's coercion !!
My God people,, get something else to do with your lives.. Save lives, feed the homeless,, cure cancer,, get a real job what ever. If all these politicians and celebrities put this much effort into real world issues someone might respect them,, they might actually accomplish something useful other than just destroying the economy of nations, other than joining in with these socialist dictators trying to break the free enterprise of free nations into welfare government fed robots..
WAKE UP !!! It's a farce and your falling for it,, they are stealing your hard earned money supporting a lie...
walleyes
Crew Member
Nice fish Dennis,, wish I could but none of those beauties around here..
Some more info..
http://www.conservapedia.com/Global_warming
Some more info..
http://www.conservapedia.com/Global_warming
soxy
Member
Never had much success with worms....they would hit them so hard I couldn't get a hook set, mind you I mostly fished pocket water and white water on the Vedder. Couldn't stand the crowds and beaks.
Foxsea
Well-Known Member
The unfortunate result of finding fault with everything is that you cannot be seen to persuade, but only to insult, and harass the members that don't share your opinion.
Soxy:
We have been contemplating an important question; the climate is changing – why is that? Persuasion requires a counter-proposition at least as credible as the one being argued against. When the subject is climate science, it's a dismal argument that dismisses one theory without being able to propose a credible alternative. The current scientific consensus on climate change is compelling but it is denigrated by you. Without providing us with a valid counter-argument, all that’s left here is your thoroughly discredited propaganda and insults.
Why do I claim that criticism without a counter-theory is invalid? Because there is a very important question being asked, and to answer it requires facts. If deniers want to argue, it is not sufficient to be dismissive of climate science any more than it is appropriate to pitch your personal opinion against scientific fact. There have been no explanations for climate change proposed by the deniers except for the ideology based on conspiracy, ‘natural variation’ and volcanos. The only way to improve science is through public support of well-funded scientific research. Better science is not achieved by your angry railing against those acknowledging existing scientific consensus any more than it can be improved by closing libraries and burning books.
We have that really important question to answer: why is the climate changing? This question cannot be answered through opinion polls or debate. Until those that take issue with anthropogenic climate change can produce an alternative theory of equal merit, they seemingly must rely on personal attacks, hyperbole, misrepresentation, and long discredited theories to promote their case. That's unfortunate. Until they accept the overwhelming evidence and the consensus in the scientific community, the deniers will remain obstacles to the truth.
GLG
Well-Known Member
This is a source for your truth?
Check out the home page and it's topics
Click on some over their links from the "Popular Articles..."
You only need to read the first paragraph to see the theme.
Get out of there as fast as you can..... it's vile.
I posted a link to Margret Thatcher video I hope you saw it.
She has many others out on youtube check them out.
Are you sure you want to base your morals and values on some kind of Harper/Bush party.
Perhaps Thatcher would be a better foundation.
Maybe I'm old school but I question a lot things.
The internet has good info and some bad info too.
There are websites that check out the claims of both sides.
So far I have not seen any evidence to suggest that the worlds scientists are not telling the truth on GW.
Yes I'm sure you could point out some website with "climategate" or what ever.
But the truth is, it was predicted and we are now seeing it.
I do a little stream work where I live and I take interest in our local rivers.
We are having problems with the river temps going up.
Enough so that coho fry are dying from the temp.
Remember that coho need 18 months in the fresh water before going to sea.
We had one year at the dfo hatchery that the intake water was so hot all the coho fry died.
They never had that happen in all the time they have been there.
This place has been there since the late 60's or early 70's
Lot's of salmon, at all age groups, cant take the heat in the rivers.
Your solution??? Don't worry be happy......
While the rest of us work our butts off so we can have something to fish for.
Disgraceful....
Perhaps it's time to reevaluate your truth.
soxy
Member
CO2 Not a Control Knob that Can Fine Tune Climate says Judith Curry to US Senate
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1696748#ixzz2rFNso88v
CALGARY, Jan. 23, 2014 /CNW/ - "Attempts to modify the climate through reducing CO2 emissions may turn out to be futile," said top climate expert Judith Curry in her testimony to the US Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works on Jan. 16, 2014. This perspective is shared by Friends of Science who hold the position that the sun is the main driver of climate change, not carbon dioxide.
Calls for low-carbon initiatives continue to lose ground according to Friends of Science, as evidence points away from carbon dioxide's role in global warming. Other factors appear to be more powerful climate drivers than carbon dioxide (CO2).
Judith Curry, Chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology, a 30 year climate science veteran gave testimony that "The stagnation in greenhouse warming observed over the past 15+ years demonstrates that CO2 is not a control knob that can fine tune climate variability on decadal and multi-decadal time scales."
This statement is in sharp contrast to demands from groups like the Pembina Institute whose energy policy papers call for a low-carbon future. Most recently Pembina claim that British Columbia's LNG developments will put that province on near par with Alberta's oil sands emissions, saying 'carbon pollution' will cause sea level rise and warming.
Curry's testimony states that "sea level rise during 1920-1950 is of the same magnitude as in 1993-2012" and that Antarctic sea ice is increasing, contrary to the claims of anthropogenic (human-caused) global warming proponents.
Curry notes the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) AR5 WGI report a weakening case regarding human influences on climate change. There has been a lack of warming since 1998. The Canadian climate model simulated 35-year tropical air temperature trend is 590% greater than the actual satellite measured temperature trend, according to Friends of Science.
The evidence shows decreased climate sensitivity to increases in atmospheric CO2, according to Curry's assessment. Low-carbon initiatives may be a futile and costly exercise.
The EU and UK, burdened by climate change debt, are rapidly abandoning targets, as reported in Der Spiegel Jan. 15, 2014 as "Green Fade-out: Europe to Ditch Climate Protection Goals."
Friends of Science hold the position that the sun is the main driver of climate change. Current unusual solar patterns and the long-term decline of some 30% since 1990 in the sun's magnetic field are more likely to significantly affect climate than human-made CO2 emissions.
Friends of Science have spent a decade reviewing a broad spectrum of literature on climate change and have concluded the sun is the main driver of climate change, not carbon dioxide (CO2). The core group of the Friends of Science is made up of retired earth and atmospheric scientists.
SOURCE Friends of Science Society
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