BC trades away outdoor recreation rights to continue industrial encroachment in the Peace region

wildmanyeah said:
Funny how in a few interviews back they say that did not ask for any of these regulation changes, now in a joint statement they say they did.

hmmmmm
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Not what the Chief said at all: "Blueberry River First Nations has not come to an agreement with the Province on any wildlife measures, including any changes to wildlife regulations".

She does go on to note that: "We believe moose have been affected by over-development and that some temporary measures are required in some areas. As long as wildlife management and habitat restoration are managed sustainably, there can be a healthy hunting industry in future for everyone in northeast BC"

Yet you interpret that to mean she, and her band, were in support of these impositions?

My interpretation would be that the BC Government took what they were alluding to, and ran willy nilly with it, imposing the restrictions over a MUCH LARGER area than that influenced by the FN in question. That they did so unilaterally. That they did so in the face of stable or increasing moose AND CARIBOU populations. And that they did so in order to continue with increasing the exact same type of environmental degradation / destruction that drove the court case in the first place.

Regards,
Nog
 
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IronNoggin said:
She does go on to note that: "We believe moose have been affected by over-development and that some temporary measures are required in some areas. As long as wildlife management and habitat restoration are managed sustainably, there can be a healthy hunting industry in future for everyone in northeast BC"

Yet you interpret that to mean she, and her band, were in support of these impositions?
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yeah that kinda says it all to me and sure maybe this was not the outcome expected or asked for.

But if they are in support of Non-native access not being cut then i would imagine a supportive letter from them would be fairly easy to get.
 
There are three bands pushing this agenda and the BRFN are not one of them. Neither are the Doig or the HRFN.

Here is one of them

www.dawsoncreekmirror.ca

Saulteau First Nations calls on the Province to give local hunters priority in limited moose hunting draws

"We need to find a better balance."
www.dawsoncreekmirror.ca www.dawsoncreekmirror.ca

This band is not even a BC band, they are Cree FN that "moved" from Manitoba in the 1900's and have been given the Peace Moberly Tract for them to manage and that is now off limits to all non FN for moose hunting....to start.

Everyone has to remember that the decision was for the BRFN (actually Chief Yahey) and the excessive development on their traditional territory, not Treaty 8's. Yet somehow, the Government, Saulteau, West Moberly and Prophet River FN's have turned that decision into one that covers all of the Peace. No Caribou hunting at all and a huge reduction of 50% of the licensed resident hunters hunting moose in the Peace. And remember, we have conservatively 45000 moose in the Peace and were harvesting ~1300/year, ~3% of the population. Now we are at 1% if we harvest the reduced number of 489. There is no, zero, zippo conservation concerns with moose in the Peace, yet here we are.

Do the homework, follow the UNDRIP decision and you will soon see that this is already spreading across BC.

Cheers

SS
 
IronNoggin said:
Not what the Chief said at all: "Blueberry River First Nations has not come to an agreement with the Province on any wildlife measures, including any changes to wildlife regulations".

She does go on to note that: "We believe moose have been affected by over-development and that some temporary measures are required in some areas. As long as wildlife management and habitat restoration are managed sustainably, there can be a healthy hunting industry in future for everyone in northeast BC"

Yet you interpret that to mean she, and her band, were in support of these impositions?

My interpretation would be that the BC Government took what they were alluding to, and ran willy nilly with it, imposing the restrictions over a MUCH LARGER area than that influenced by the FN in question. That they did so unilaterally. That they did so in the face of stable or increasing moose AND CARIBOU populations. And that they did so in order to continue with increasing the exact same type of environmental degradation / destruction that drove the court case in the first place.

Regards,
Nog
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I agree 100% with your statement.
 
IronNoggin said:
This is happening TONIGHT folks:

Proposed Hunting Regulations Virtual Roundtable with the BC Liberal Caucus
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Certainly seemed to me that they (BC Libs - Note Falcon missing) have no real battle plan.
GOABC certainly did appear to have our backs. Nice.

Not uber impressed with the former.
Pleased with the latter...

Nog
 
More "Confidential Discussions" ramping up:

West Moberly First Nations, BC Hydro enter “confidential discussions” on Treaty 8 violation claims over Site C​

MOBERLY LAKE, B.C. – A trial that was supposed to begin in March between West Moberly First Nations and BC Hydro over claims that Site C violated Treaty 8 rights has moved to closed door meetings.

West Moberly’s lawsuit filed in 2018 against BC Hydro and the provincial and federal governments was expected to lead to a 120-day trial this year, however, the infringement claim was adjourned.

The update comes from BC Hydro’s annual progress report, stating the “parties to the litigation are continuing confidential discussions to seek to settle this litigation.”

energeticcity.ca

West Moberly First Nations, BC Hydro enter “confidential discussions” on Treaty 8 violation claims over Site C – Energeticcity.ca

MOBERLY LAKE, B.C. - A trial that was supposed to begin in March between West Moberly First Nations and BC Hyd...
energeticcity.ca energeticcity.ca
 

Hunters rally behind BC Liberals on proposed moose hunt changes​


“I’ve been hunting that area for decades. The moose population is doing fine. The caribou population is doing fine,” said Port Alberni’s Matt Stabler on the first video call of the night. “This is simply a trade-off of our hunting privileges so that development can continue and environmental degradation and destruction will be accelerated.”

“That was the main thrust of that court case. Period. There’s no other way to read it,” added Stabler. “This is a direct trade-off of our privileges.”

www.alaskahighwaynews.ca

Hunters rally behind BC Liberals on proposed moose hunt changes

Virtual roundtable draws close to 300: "The moose population is doing fine. The caribou population is doing fine. This is simply a trade-off."
www.alaskahighwaynews.ca www.alaskahighwaynews.ca
 
Of the dozens of letters & Emails I sent out in this regard, the only one that responded was Heyman:

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My response:

You are the Minister of ENVIRONMENT!!
The BC Supreme Court Case which initiated these draconian actions by your party was focused entirely upon Environmental concerns.
Period.

Your attempt to "pass the buck" in this instance is beyond infuriating.

I demand an answer as to your involvement with these matters, and further that you take immediate steps to rectify the stripping away of hunting privileges in order to continue with increased environmental degradation / destruction.

In other words: DO YOUR JOB!
 
Of the dozens of letters & Emails I sent out in this regard, the only one that responded was Heyman:

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My response:

You are the Minister of ENVIRONMENT!!
The BC Supreme Court Case which initiated these draconian actions by your party was focused entirely upon Environmental concerns.
Period.

Your attempt to "pass the buck" in this instance is beyond infuriating.

I demand an answer as to your involvement with these matters, and further that you take immediate steps to rectify the stripping away of hunting privileges in order to continue with increased environmental degradation / destruction.

In other words: DO YOUR JOB!
 
Long since past the date when the new Regs should have been out.
Questions going unanswered.

A bit of a hint was just posted on the BC Hunting FB site:

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This just in:

May 12, 2022

Sean Olmstead, President
Scott Ellis, Executive Director and CEO
Guide Outfitters Association of British Columbia
103-19140 28th Avenue
Surrey, British Columbia V3Z 6M3

Dear Sean Olmstead and Scott Ellis:
Thank you for your letters of March 11, 2022, and March 28, 2022, regarding the Peace Region hunting regulation change proposals that had been open for public engagement. The Province of British Columbia appreciates the efforts made by guide outfitters in advancing reconciliation with Indigenous Nations, and the contributions made by guide outfitting in generating economic activity for our rural and remote areas.

The engagement process has now concluded, and we are preparing for a decision which will be finalized shortly. I am aware of the operational challenges your members are facing in the interim. Please appreciate that this complex work is part of meaningful reconciliation with Treaty 8 First Nations and we are ensuring they have input into wildlife management decisions on their traditional territory.

The hunting regulation changes are an interim measure and part of a broader package of actions to improve wildlife stewardship, uphold Treaty rights, and enhance habitat conservation. Over the next two years, the Province and the Treaty 8 First Nations will work together to develop an approach to wildlife co-management that improves our shared understanding and management of the wildlife resources in a manner consistent with the Together for Wildlife Strategy.

Thank you for your continued engagement with David Skerik, Director, Strategic Initiatives, on this file; we are grateful for your input. If you have further information to share, please email David.Skerik@gov.bc.ca.

Again, thank you for writing to share your concerns.

Sincerely,
Katrine Conroy Minister

Ministry of Forests Office of the Minister Mailing Address:
PO Box 9049 Stn Prov Govt
Victoria, BC V8W 9E2
Tel: 250 387-6240
Fax: 250 387-1040
Website: www.gov.bc.ca/for

pc: Honourable John Horgan, Province of British Columbia
Mike Hykaway, A/Assistant Deputy Minister, North Area, Ministry of Forests
David Skerik, Director, Strategic Initiatives, Northeast Region, Ministry of Forests

 

Changes to hunting regulations support reconciliation, wildlife stewardship​


news.gov.bc.ca

Changes to hunting regulations support reconciliation, wildlife stewardship | BC Gov News

In partnership with First Nations, the B.C. government is making changes to hunting regulations to support reconciliation and improve wildlife stewardship and habitat conservation.
news.gov.bc.ca

"These decisions were informed by extensive engagement with the public, First Nations, the Guide Outfitters Association of British Columbia and the BC Wildlife Federation. "

All but one of which told them NO DAMN WAY!!

What a load of pure bovine excrement!!!

Nog
 

B.C. turns its back on science with changes to wildlife management​


The government of British Columbia has abandoned science-based wildlife with its decision to curtail hunting in the Peace-Liard region.

Caribou hunting will be banned and moose hunting severely curtailed over roughly 22 per cent of the province under new regulations released this week.

What the government press release omits is that B.C. has also negotiated a deal that will see 195 forestry, oil and gas projects proceed in the traditional territory of the Blueberry River First Nation. Another 20 industrial projects in Blueberry territory are still up for negotiation.

The new regulation is a direct response to last year’s Yahey v British Columbia decision by the B.C. Supreme Court, which ruled that the Treaty 8 rights of the Blueberry First Nation had been infringed by the cumulative impacts of industrial development.

“The government has allowed Treaty 8 territories to be damaged by industrial development, but rather than address that problem, B.C. has opted to imposed hunting regulations that have no basis in science,” said B.C. Wildlife Federation Executive Director Jesse Zeman.

bcwf.bc.ca

B.C. turns its back on science with changes to wildlife management | B.C. Wildlife Federation

The government of British Columbia has abandoned science-based wildlife with its decision to curtail hunting in the Peace-Liard region. Caribou hunting will be banned and moose hunting severely curtailed over roughly 22 per cent of the province under new regulations released this week. What...
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