$15 daycare

[halimark]

I hear you guys about pissing our money away..... I have seen more pissing away of my money in the last 10 years that it makes me sick. How about those "Action Plans" commercial we get come playoff time. How about all those "Northern Gateway better then sliced bread" commercial we have been paying for, for the last few years. How about that G20 conference in Toronto that had spending way above what any other country has ever spent. Like did we really need a fake lake to impress these guys. How about all the war ships to protect the oil tankers in the middle east. Or the big one...... all the offshore tax havens for the profits of companies so they don't have to pay taxes here.

So the NDP wants to invest in kids.... you think that's bad? If they get in then I expect you guys to stand on your principles and take that money and donate to the food bank.

GLG

Being in the Navy for 28 years I am amazed that you consider protection of our coastline, PR on a World scale, SAR and our few warships a waste of money? Usually only 1 on Op in theatre, protecting all shipping. That concerns me, many ways to cut wasted govn spending, I would not have included deletion of Canada's Navy. Let us all hope any elected Govn does not have your same opinion concerning Canada's CF.

HM

 

[ziggy]

No they don't want to build institutions for the kids they want to give parents $15 per child so that parents pay a little less. Might just help startup a few neighborhood day cares and give a boost to the local economy. Not rocket science and we have all seen neighborhood day cares so this is nothing new. Heck I have one down the street that must have ten kids or less. Sure wish that was around when my kid was in one.

If you chose to stay home then you don't need day care now do you.

You are out to lunch on the Mulchair daycare program GLG. The money, 5 billion goes to create a government institution which will provide parents with a childcare space for the sudsidized rate of 15 dollars a day. Here's an article on it and you can also read up on it on the NDP site

OTTAWA – An NDP government would spend $5 billion a year to create a million daycare spaces that parents could access for no more than $15 a day, Tom Mulcair promised Tuesday.

Not sure where you got your info from about the government giving parents 15 dollars, or why you believe this would be good for private daycares?

 

[finaddict]

Way to go Sly. Looks like this can of worms is only about half empty.....................

Munch Munch munch

 

[finaddict]

you probably are one of them "there is only so many fish in the sea guys". Almost free handouts, reward everybody cause they tried....you probably even want a balanced budget!!! Shame on you lol

You are right Jeep09, my apologies. I have truly forgotten myself and should remember that the taxpayers wallet is a bottom-less pit of wealth. How foolish of me to actually work for my rewards and keep my house in order.

 

[KV1]

How about your kids your problem. Would make people think twice before pulling the or I should say putting the plug in no? Some have kids just to NOT work the realize it's work and can't wait to dump the responsibility just look at Arctic communities it's an epidemic and the kids suffer just as bad as a third world country!

 

[KV1]

Plus if you believe somehow that any government has your best interest in mind that is naive. They already have another agenda it's called feeding at the trough in perpetuity.

 

[GLG]

GLG

Being in the Navy for 28 years I am amazed that you consider protection of our coastline, PR on a World scale, SAR and our few warships a waste of money? Usually only 1 on Op in theatre, protecting all shipping. That concerns me, many ways to cut wasted govn spending, I would not have included deletion of Canada's Navy. Let us all hope any elected Govn does not have your same opinion concerning Canada's CF.

HM

Thank you for your service to this Country. Sorry if you misunderstood my message but I have no problem supporting our military but I question our misadventures on the world stage. In fact we seem to have gone from protecting our coast line to protecting oil company assets. If we are going to be a protector of those assets then should they not pay for that service? As for SAR, I support them 100% and I'm on the record here and elsewhere with that support. Closing coastguard stations is not acceptable. If you wish you can do a search on this website to find my views on the subject. Again I have no wish to delete the Canadian Navy, I want them to do what they were are suppose to do.... protect Canada's coastline and our territorial waters against threats. Seems to me we should be protecting against the pillage of our fish here on this coast by foreign fishers.

 

[GLG]

No they don't want to build institutions for the kids they want to give parents $15 per child so that parents pay a little less. Might just help startup a few neighborhood day cares and give a boost to the local economy. Not rocket science and we have all seen neighborhood day cares so this is nothing new. Heck I have one down the street that must have ten kids or less. Sure wish that was around when my kid was in one.

If you chose to stay home then you don't need day care now do you.

You are out to lunch on the Mulchair daycare program GLG. The money, 5 billion goes to create a government institution which will provide parents with a childcare space for the sudsidized rate of 15 dollars a day. Here's an article on it and you can also read up on it on the NDP site

OTTAWA – An NDP government would spend $5 billion a year to create a million daycare spaces that parents could access for no more than $15 a day, Tom Mulcair promised Tuesday.

Not sure where you got your info from about the government giving parents 15 dollars, or why you believe this would be good for private daycares?

They are not going to build a modern day residential school that you send your kids to. If you have a link to something that says that I would like to read it. It's a program that partners with the province to create affordable child care. So if we decide here in BC that we don't want that we could opt out and use the money else where. I hear we need to support LNG so the money could go there. eek:Joke)

Here are a couple of links
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/quick-facts-about-the-ndp-s-15-a-day-child-care-plan-1.2798328

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp...le-child-care-just-an-election-away-1.2797570

These are things that we as a society should be looking at as the old system of dog eat dog is not working for us. We invest in the next generation to give them a competitive advantage in the global economy.

 

[ziggy]

Wow, can't admit you were wrong! You said they were giving 15 dollars to parents to offset the cost of daycare. Total BS! And frankly your attempt to somehow tie this into Residential schools is beneath you. Where did i ever mention Residential Schools? I didn't, so why would i have a link??The NDP,wants to spend 5 billion dollars to create 1 million daycare spaces, what part don't you understand!
At any rate I have neither the time nor is it worth the effort to argue with someone who is convinced and can't admit their error. I leave it for those reading my posts and yours to draw their own conclusions

 

[GLG]

How about your kids your problem. Would make people think twice before pulling the or I should say putting the plug in no? Some have kids just to NOT work the realize it's work and can't wait to dump the responsibility just look at Arctic communities it's an epidemic and the kids suffer just as bad as a third world country!

So what your saying is you would rather not invest in kids but are you OK in investing in prisons. Look at the root cause of why we have been building prisons under this current government. Who is in them? There is an old saying... An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. We can pay now or we can pay one heck of a lot later.

 

[GLG]

Wow, can't admit you were wrong! You said they were giving 15 dollars to parents to offset the cost of daycare. Total BS! And frankly your attempt to somehow tie this into Residential schools is beneath you. Where did i ever mention Residential Schools? I didn't, so why would i have a link??The NDP,wants to spend 5 billion dollars to create 1 million daycare spaces, what part don't you understand!
At any rate I have neither the time nor is it worth the effort to argue with someone who is convinced and can't admit their error. I leave it for those reading my posts and yours to draw their own conclusions

Then why did you say this in post # 17

The NDP wants to invest in kids? They want to invest in government institutions to put them in!

I must have misunderstood what you meant....

 

[ziggy]

From the Law dictionary
What is PUBLIC INSTITUTION?
The name that is applied to a school, college, courthouse, library, hospital and other place that is run for the public to use. The opposite of a private institution.



Law Dictionary: What is PUBLIC INSTITUTION? definition of PUBLIC INSTITUTION (Black's Law Dictionary)

 

[finaddict]

These are things that we as a society should be looking at as the old system of dog eat dog is not working for us. We invest in the next generation to give them a competitive advantage in the global economy.

Paraphrase: "Dog-eat-dog in Canada does not work, so lets prepare our kids by nurturing them in an external womb so they can go out into the dog-eat-dog global economy"...........And socialized daycare will provide this? I seriously doubt it will make an ounce of global competitive difference. . Lets make it equal for everyone so we can all play nice....... untiiiiiiil we have to go out in the global economy where no one plays nice.

Take the 5 billion and provide more university opportunities to those who have the advanced levels of intellect and grade point averages to qualify. (not hand-outs to anyone who turns 18, but to those whose GPA shows the potential) THEN you will give the next generation a step up in the world economy. Canada's resources are finite. This includes the resource of government (read Taxpayer) funds. Put it where it counts.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill<!--m-->

 

[terrin]

How about your kids your problem. Would make people think twice before pulling the or I should say putting the plug in no? Some have kids just to NOT work the realize it's work and can't wait to dump the responsibility just look at Arctic communities it's an epidemic and the kids suffer just as bad as a third world country!

Really!? So if your child is born with a disability "your kid your problem". If your kid has a rare sickness "your kid your problem". The Arctic communities have lived there for thousands of years and the fact that they are struggling so much is more a reflection on the so called settlers than it is on them. How about the Olympics and all the Canadian Athletes should we all chip in or should they just compete as individuals? Picking winners and losers is not a game I would like to play. The $15.00 a day childcare is a hand up not a hand out for those that really need it. I am reminded by the saying "for the grace of god so go I". By the way Orange Crush doesn't taste too bad you'll like it.

 

[Big Green Machine]

How about your kids your problem. Would make people think twice before pulling the or I should say putting the plug in no? Some have kids just to NOT work the realize it's work and can't wait to dump the responsibility just look at Arctic communities it's an epidemic and the kids suffer just as bad as a third world country!

That's an ideal, but the reality is there are way too many children who are forced to spend their lives in some crappy home with dud parents or some other poor excuse for a caregiver. We, as a society, and voters have a responsibility to help those kids otherwise they will end up living next door to you not paying taxes and not being contributing members of society, just like their parents.

Do you feel the same way about seniors living in poverty who have no family to provide help?

 

[GLG]

From the Law dictionary
What is PUBLIC INSTITUTION?
The name that is applied to a school, college, courthouse, library, hospital and other place that is run for the public to use. The opposite of a private institution.



Law Dictionary: What is PUBLIC INSTITUTION? definition of PUBLIC INSTITUTION (Black's Law Dictionary)

I think the NDP want's to model the program based on what they are doing in Quebec. Take what works and change what doesn't work.

I don't think they mean building something out of bricks and mortar like a public school and calling it a National Day care. Maybe I'm wrong but if you have information I will look at it.

 

[GLG]

Paraphrase: "Dog-eat-dog in Canada does not work, so lets prepare our kids by nurturing them in an external womb so they can go out into the dog-eat-dog global economy"...........And socialized daycare will provide this? I seriously doubt it will make an ounce of global competitive difference. . Lets make it equal for everyone so we can all play nice....... untiiiiiiil we have to go out in the global economy where no one plays nice.

Take the 5 billion and provide more university opportunities to those who have the advanced levels of intellect and grade point averages to qualify. (not hand-outs to anyone who turns 18, but to those whose GPA shows the potential) THEN you will give the next generation a step up in the world economy. Canada's resources are finite. This includes the resource of government (read Taxpayer) funds. Put it where it counts.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill<!--m-->

Oh man.... now I have to take two drinks... you used socialism again

Thanks for you input but I do see value in a National Day Care program just as I see value in EI, Medicare, Old Age Pension, public schools and other programs. They give and advantage to the citizens of this country that help us compete in the global economy. I also think we need to look at how we educate our youth when it comes to university, I like what you said. A performance system sure would benefit kids that have the brains but not the money would help. The debt that kids come out of university is getting out of hand. Back in my day it was not a problem. Sure we had debt but it was manageable, not like today.

How do we pay for it is the big question and I hope the NDP would look at all the tax loopholes that have exploded in the last decade or two. Far to much creative bookkeeping going on these days.

 

[GLG]

We, as a society, and voters have a responsibility to help those kids otherwise they will end up living next door to you not paying taxes and not being contributing members of society, just like their parents.

And then the cycle continues for another generation.... The question is how do we break that cycle so that the mistakes that the parents make are not repeated with their kids. That's where I see value in social programs. Look for the root cause and start there. Thanks for your input.

 

[ziggy]

I think the NDP want's to model the program based on what they are doing in Quebec. Take what works and change what doesn't work.

I don't think they mean building something out of bricks and mortar like a public school and calling it a National Day care. Maybe I'm wrong but if you have information I will look at it.

Sorry I got better things to do than look things up for you. I suggest google is your friend use it and educate yourself on the issue .Ihave already explained to you that parents don't receive money as you claim but rather pay for sudsidized daycare. Pretty major misunderstanding of the policy!
I have supplied you with a definition as to the meaning of Institution which you thought mean't Residential School.
Now you want me to explain how one million daycare seats will be created or maintained,without the use of additional" bricks and mortar". Frankly I don't know, ask Mulchair . You're the one in favour of a 5 billion dollar plan yet you don't seem to have a clue how it will work?

 

[ziggy]

Hey mods this should be moved to the politics section if not locked down