Sea Lice and Fish Farms

I used to get all the numbers of dead fish and how many sea lice on each fish,picture's of under the Nets till the net pen people see what they are doing , the story what the government people said that Morton was just trying to make a job for her self ,pictures do not lie I think someone is getting hush money
 
Oh ya and if prawning is so great under the feed lots I'm sure they would be okay if people layed down a few traps there would they not?
 
Wonder what the area looked like after the pesticide outlined here : http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-b...the-hook-for-500k-for-pesticide-use-1.1317105 was used. I don't expect the prawns would have done any better than all the hundreds of lobsters that were killed off. Pretty disgusting what is happening.
You just nailed it terrin. Extremely pertinent issues such as timing, fate, number of treatments, loading, exposure, drift (e.g. agent-based modelling) and monitoring are very noticeably absent from the Aquaculture Activities Regulations - when trying to determine the effects from sea lice treatments. These are science-based issues that I would expect the regulators (the Aquaculture Branch of DFO) to already be well aware of.

For me - it is if the regulators - while catering to the industry - have purposely denied the public data critical to determining effects and potential infringements/impacts to the adjacent wild populations. I am convinced the FF lawyers had substantial input into designing the Aquaculture Activities Regulations. Looks like Bill Ernst - the retired Environment Canada employee - felt the same way.
 
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Oh ya and if prawning is so great under the feed lots I'm sure they would be okay if people layed down a few traps there would they not?
When i managed AQ9 and AQ2 the commies would drop a set right off our outside walkway. Just between our navy cans and the system.
 
Wonder what the area looked like after the pesticide outlined here : http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-b...the-hook-for-500k-for-pesticide-use-1.1317105 was used. I don't expect the prawns would have done any better than all the hundreds of lobsters that were killed off. Pretty disgusting what is happening.
Good to know... Do all farms use a pesticides? I managed a farm for 3 years and did not use any pesticides and I drop antibiotics maybe 6-7 times. So loading the ocean floor with chemicals, is really true or more hype created by corporate paid biologists?
 
Good to know... Do all farms use a pesticides? I managed a farm for 3 years and did not use any pesticides and I drop antibiotics maybe 6-7 times. So loading the ocean floor with chemicals, is really true or more hype created by corporate paid biologists?
Well i'm sure the Fish Farmers didn't pay a half million dollars if they were not guilty of killing hundreds of lobsters after using unlawful pesticides to combat sea lice infestations as Slice was no longer effective. Too bad they get to write off the fine as a business expense. What are the West Coast feed lots using if the Slice is not effective?
 
Good to know... Do all farms use a pesticides? I managed a farm for 3 years and did not use any pesticides and I drop antibiotics maybe 6-7 times. So loading the ocean floor with chemicals, is really true or more hype created by corporate paid biologists?
Interesting response from a corporate farm supporter - that any criticisms are only generated "hype" instead by created by those nefarious and apparently numerous "anti-farm", but somehow simultaneously "corporate paid" biologists.

Kinda reminds me of the typical PR responses generated by paid PR firms (e.g. Hill and Knowlnothing) and expoused by corporate FF spokespersons - like Pamela Parker the executive director of the New Brunswick Salmon Growers Association who stated on this issue that their organization does not think any of its members were responsible for Cypermethrin getting into the Bay of Fundy since it's where they grow their fish too: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/lobster-death-raises-questions-1.893490

I guess they only sell fish - and not accountability...
 
Well i'm sure the Fish Farmers didn't pay a half million dollars if they were not guilty of killing hundreds of lobsters after using unlawful pesticides to combat sea lice infestations as Slice was no longer effective. Too bad they get to write off the fine as a business expense. What are the West Coast feed lots using if the Slice is not effective?
Kinda weird.....
http://thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/98042-salmon-farming-facts
 
Here's a report on the changes/impacts to the areas back East - generated through the fishermen's observations: http://www.coastalcura.ca/documents/LEKStudy_2011_000.pdf

Summary
Inshore fishermen along the Fundy coast in Southwest New Brunswick have been the
backbone of the local economy since European settlement. They have also played a
significant role in the provincial economy, exporting herring, lobster, scallops and other
seafood products to markets in the U.S. northeast and abroad. Over time, however, they
have lost access to important fishing grounds through environmental degradation (as in
Passamaquoddy Bay) and to alternative industries. Most recently, finfish aquaculture has
played an important role in this displacement of fishing activities. Finfish aquaculture
sites have proven particularly incompatible with herring weirs, but other fisheries have
also been affected. A recent study conducted among fishermen in Southwest New
Brunswick recorded their observations as to the impact of finfish aquaculture on their
fisheries. Fishermen involved in lobster, herring, scallop, and sea urchin fisheries all
reported observing significant environmental changes around aquaculture sites. Within
two years of an operation being established, fishermen report observing that berried
female lobsters abandon the area, scallop and sea urchin shells become brittle, scallop
meat and sea urchin roe becomes discolored and herring no longer come into the area.
Aquaculture operations are also linked to lobster, crab and shrimp kills in the downcurrent
area. These and other concerns suggest that more comprehensive and detailed
studies are required to establish the environmental and economic costs of finfish
aquaculture, especially their affects on the capture fishery and the stocks on which that
fishery rely. It also points out the need for more effective, community-driven integrated
management institutions.
 
Interesting response from a corporate farm supporter - that any criticisms are only generated "hype" instead by created by those nefarious and apparently numerous "anti-farm", but somehow simultaneously "corporate paid" biologists.

Kinda reminds me of the typical PR responses generated by paid PR firms (e.g. Hill and Knowlnothing) and expoused by corporate FF spokespersons - like Pamela Parker the executive director of the New Brunswick Salmon Growers Association who stated on this issue that their organization does not think any of its members were responsible for Cypermethrin getting into the Bay of Fundy since it's where they grow their fish too: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/lobster-death-raises-questions-1.893490

I guess they only sell fish - and not accountability...
Oh ok good to know, fish farms and fish farm companies have no say and are not allowed to defend themselves. We should just believe what were fed. Like sewage is leaking out of the farms..... Lol
 
Your'e wasting your time bones ... their minds are made up. In the mean time stocks are being over fished, pollution is increasing ( hello Victoria), urban streams are being drained for developments, climate is changing, and the genetic diversity of all Pacific salmon is being diluted yearly.
Hey readers, how many salmon did you kill this season?
 
Oh ok good to know, fish farms and fish farm companies have no say and are not allowed to defend themselves. We should just believe what were fed. Like sewage is leaking out of the farms..... Lol
If FF spokespersons truly believe that they need to lie about impacts to the public's resources in order to "defend" an indefensible position - then maybe we should stop asking for their opinions/lies. Maybe we should instead construct a forum for making decisions about whether or not we should be allowing the open net-cage technology to operate - like through a environmental assessment. But wait....

That is also something that the FF industry has successfully opposed to date - as well. Gee - I wonder why??
 
Your'e wasting your time bones ... their minds are made up. In the mean time stocks are being over fished, pollution is increasing ( hello Victoria), urban streams are being drained for developments, climate is changing, and the genetic diversity of all Pacific salmon is being diluted yearly.
Hey readers, how many salmon did you kill this season?


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Your'e wasting your time bones ... their minds are made up.

If you are putting people into categories, I would say you Dave and the other 3 Fish Farm regular posters go way beyond "their minds are already made up"
The only thing I have seen you 4 agree with on this site is Fish Farm Sea Lice DO KILL WILD SALMON.
We just don't know how many.
I must confess to killing 2 salmon today in a very enjoyable outing off Sooke.
AND my cost per pound for the Salmon and Halibut I kill goes WAY BEYOND what Fish Farms charge AND I contribute WAY more to employment and economical benefits then do Fish Farms!!
 
If FF spokespersons truly believe that they need to lie about impacts to the public's resources in order to "defend" an indefensible position - then maybe we should stop asking for their opinions/lies. Maybe we should instead construct a forum for making decisions about whether or not we should be allowing the open net-cage technology to operate - like through a environmental assessment. But wait....

That is also something that the FF industry has successfully opposed to date - as well. Gee - I wonder why??
Do you have hard proof that fish farms are harmful to wild salmon stocks? Do you have any proof of top loading the ocean floor with what you call " sewage"?
Do you have any proof that sea lice are damaging wild stocks?

I haven't read anything that says this. There is a hatchery that has been doing tagging on smolts for 8 years. The hatchery cannot locate any tags on there fish after they hit the estuary. Adult steelhead no problem, smolts can find one. BUT......your here trying to convince me that sealice and sewage and everything else farms do are the reason wild stock salmon are in a 20 year decline.
 
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