IPHC 2015 Annual Meeting

[SerengetiGuide]

Think your math is off a bit ukee. Last year we had 1.057mill lbs as rec sector. And that's what I got for this year too no? Now imagine if we could carry over the 144k and we could pretty much have one any size again...

 

[ziggy]

Isn't that 144k why there is an opening Feb 1 ? I assumed the 144k was what we would be fishing against in Feb and Mar, until the new licenses are issued? How can it be carried over if it is yet to be fished? Won't the final number need to factor in two months of fishing?

 

[SerengetiGuide]

Licenses start April. Tac starts over in new year.

 

[UkeeDreamin]

Oops, was using the old 12% of TAC instead of 15%, we definitely don't want to go back there!!! LOL!! Yep, 15% means 1.057 million lbs for the rec sector this year which represents a 10% (9.7%) increase over last year's rec allocation. Last year's harvest, which included an expanded 2/day quota increase in the fall, still only managed to harvest 880,000 lbs and that estimate includes commie quota transfer fish in the harvest extrapolation, so it was actually much lower than that. In any case, it means there is a 20% margin, which is pretty significant, to work with to ensure this year's regs meet our sector's wants and needs. In any case, much nicer to be discussing possibilities with more quota than the much tougher discussions that would have been required had the TAC been less. So, once again, congrats to all the Canadian Delegates!!

Ukee

 

[Jencourt]

Pretty sure we had 1.057 last year as well so not clear where this 9.7% increase comes from?? Also of great interest to me is the alaskan by-catch issue. any word on that topic?

 

[SerengetiGuide]

No increase. About the same. Last year was total tac was 6.85mill. And by catch wasn't really addressed. Cdn delegation was tough on Alaska but what came out of it was voluntary methods this year that the pollock or whatever fleet has put on themselves.

 

[ziggy]

Licenses start April. Tac starts over in new year.

Are you sure? It would seem to make more sense given that they announced an opening in January for Feb 01 2015 and the are still meeting to sort out this years TAC, that they are running on a fiscal year vice calendar year? Not saying you're wrong just saying it would make more sense to coordinate the January meetings outcome with April licenses?

 

[Jencourt]

He is correct. Any fish caught from feb 1 to march 31 come out of new 2015 tac. However we fish under 2014 conditions of license. so 1 a day two possession and 90cm/133cm slot,and working on 2014 annual limit as well .

 

[SerengetiGuide]

And it's such a small amount pretty negligible. So wouldn't make a difference.

 

[Jencourt]

No increase. About the same. Last year was total tac was 6.85mill. And by catch wasn't really addressed. Cdn delegation was tough on Alaska but what came out of it was voluntary methods this year that the pollock or whatever fleet has put on themselves.

Thanks for that Dave. little sad if ya ask me.

Couple other questions come to mind regarding TAC. what % do we need to allocate to mortality? Is that % calculated against the release rate generated while operating under this damn slot? Can this % be reduced in the future,if we find ways of removing the slot for a portion of the season or removing a portion or all of the slot all together ect ? looking forward to seeing what the final shape the season gets . don't see much change coming we n I see things like fuel prices ect being considered as factors.

Time will tell I guess.

 

[SerengetiGuide]

There better be change. 144k is a lot despite what some try to convince us. 14000 halibut. More than what almost all of wcvi took last year for whole season total!! Anyway. Start another thread for 2015 regs

 

[fish4all]

Big thanks to those that attended Iphc and managed to get a 200,000lb increase for canada. Good to see all sectors working towards a common goal. 7.038 million

 

[Derby]

oh that was u I sat beside at the table...

 

[finaddict]

Big thanks to those that attended Iphc and managed to get a 200,000lb increase for canada. Good to see all sectors working towards a common goal. 7.038 million

So I am completely ignorant on how t hat 200,000 would be divided between groups.

Was the 200,000 extra quota based on the 144,000 that the sporties left in the water, or was it based on the total quota taken last year by all groups(Sporties, Commies and FN"S)? If it was based on the 144,000 that we left in the water, would that then be divided by the 85/15 rule? Or would we get all of our 144,000 plus another 15% of the additional 200,000?

 

[fish4all]

So I am completely ignorant on how t hat 200,000 would be divided between groups.

Was the 200,000 extra quota based on the 144,000 that the sporties left in the water, or was it based on the total quota taken last year by all groups(Sporties, Commies and FN"S)? If it was based on the 144,000 that we left in the water, would that then be divided by the 85/15 rule? Or would we get all of our 144,000 plus another 15% of the additional 200,000?

The estimated rec underage from what I undestand swims and we divide the additional quota 85/15.

 

[finaddict]

The estimated rec underage from what I understand swims and we divide the additional quota 85/15.

But I thought that biomass left in the water contributes to future biomass. So what you are saying is the sporties basically gave 85% of their missed allocation to the Commies without any compensation. How is this fair. Are we allowed to take 15% of the missed allocation of the commies when they under fish

 

[profisher]

Waiting for this answer! Lol

 

[SerengetiGuide]

Exactly why we should stop going under by so damn much.

 

[fish4all]

But I thought that biomass left in the water contributes to future biomass. So what you are saying is the sporties basically gave 85% of their missed allocation to the Commies without any compensation. How is this fair. Are we allowed to take 15% of the missed allocation of the commies when they under fish

Ok I'll bite. The sports sector by leaving an estimated 140,000lbs in the water partially paid back the million pounds plus they are over from previous years. if a sector does not want to take overages off year to year then the sector doesn't get the carryover either.

That being said there is a provision where the sports sector can lease the underage to the commercial sector and then use that money to lease fish back from the commercial sector to increase the sports sectors share on a future season, as was done in previous years.

 

[finaddict]

Ok I'll bite. The sports sector by leaving an estimated 140,000lbs in the water partially paid back the million pounds plus they are over from previous years. if a sector does not want to take overages off year to year then the sector doesn't get the carryover either.

That being said there is a provision where the sports sector can lease the underage to the commercial sector and then use that money to lease fish back from the commercial sector to increase the sports sectors share on a future season, as was done in previous years.

Thanks ffa. Still tryinfg to understand the whole process. Appreciate the answer. Even from a commie ;-) heh heh heh