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Pointless grandstanding. The big customers have some leverage with producers, little guys get what they get. Has always been the way. Canada has 0.5% of the world population, we are a little guy indeed.

As for paying more to move up on the list, (a) was information do you have that this avenue was available? and (b) are you really demanding that our govt throw billions at brand new products? Sth Africa just suspended vaccinations because of questionable efficacy. Do you truly want that for us - at gold rush prices? Can just imagine the howls of anger and accusation in the investigation afterwards. Classic damned if you do/damned if you don't scenario.

How about we focus on helping each other andnour families get through this mess instead of venting frustration and anger? I didn't vote for Justin in the previous two elections and can't see it happening next time either, but nor am I a hater. Hate doesn't help anything.
 
I feel like Canada has been out maneuvered on the vaccine side of the pandemic at every turn.
As much as I dislike the 'noise' coming from JT and his caucus about us being on track, there is strong evidence that our bureaucrats have needlessly complicated matters and are overly risk adverse.
As a country, we are unable to efficiently procure anything.
We, as a country, are totally stalled out in all metrics of innovation and productivity.

If the bureaucrats and the politicians had to endure what small business owners face daily, not just in a pandemic, I think there could be positive change. I am not holding my breath.
 
Gong Show said:
I feel like Canada has been out maneuvered on the vaccine side of the pandemic at every turn.
As much as I dislike the 'noise' coming from JT and his caucus about us being on track, there is strong evidence that our bureaucrats have needlessly complicated matters and are overly risk adverse.
As a country, we are unable to efficiently procure anything.
We, as a country, are totally stalled out in all metrics of innovation and productivity.

If the bureaucrats and the politicians had to endure what small business owners face daily, not just in a pandemic, I think there could be positive change. I am not holding my breath.
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Yeah, to me this whole fiasco is an indictment of the entire circus, not just a single clown, no matter how little respect I have for him.

If or system were globally competitive, we'd be seeing it excel right now. Even under a single bad leader, the institutional efficiency would be picking up some of the slack.

But no, instead the whole thing is pretty incapable, and it seems likely to me that the reasons we're faring relatively well in terms of fatalities are really just related to first world hygiene standards and large Canadian personal space norms.

But clearly our entire system is failing on a lot of levels here. It may rot from the head, but stitching a fresh head on a rotten fish won't be enough.
 
sly_karma said:
Pointless grandstanding. The big customers have some leverage with producers, little guys get what they get. Has always been the way. Canada has 0.5% of the world population, we are a little guy indeed.

As for paying more to move up on the list, (a) was information do you have that this avenue was available? and (b) are you really demanding that our govt throw billions at brand new products? Sth Africa just suspended vaccinations because of questionable efficacy. Do you truly want that for us - at gold rush prices? Can just imagine the howls of anger and accusation in the investigation afterwards. Classic damned if you do/damned if you don't scenario.

How about we focus on helping each other andnour families get through this mess instead of venting frustration and anger? I didn't vote for Justin in the previous two elections and can't see it happening next time either, but nor am I a hater. Hate doesn't help anything.
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"Classic damned if you do/damned if you don't scenario."
I would argue that some of our politicians would even lie to make sure the current government is seen in its worst light. Truth be damned.

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What about Pfizer?

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This is one of those things that you have hard number and deliverables. Regardless of politics, deals made, contracts ect.. canada is lagging behind with some countries making progress on vaccination all over the age of 65 canada is struggling to get enough to vaccine our health care workers are care homes.

The reasons why just feel like excuses...

i am still optimistic that things will speed up, efficiencies will be found and delivery commitments will be delivered. Its just very disappointing where we are and were we could of potentially been.
 
sly_karma said:
Pointless grandstanding. The big customers have some leverage with producers, little guys get what they get. Has always been the way. Canada has 0.5% of the world population, we are a little guy indeed.

As for paying more to move up on the list, (a) was information do you have that this avenue was available? and (b) are you really demanding that our govt throw billions at brand new products? Sth Africa just suspended vaccinations because of questionable efficacy. Do you truly want that for us - at gold rush prices? Can just imagine the howls of anger and accusation in the investigation afterwards. Classic damned if you do/damned if you don't scenario.

How about we focus on helping each other andnour families get through this mess instead of venting frustration and anger? I didn't vote for Justin in the previous two elections and can't see it happening next time either, but nor am I a hater. Hate doesn't help anything.
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No I’m not saying with fact that money moves you up the list, but something has put the USA well ahead of us. Any ideas as to what that could be? I’m guessing money because massive pharmaceutical complies are all about the cheddar.
If it’s not $, you’d think they would divvy up the doses per capita equally.

Yes, I’m saying we should spend a fortune on vaccines. Is it a risk? Not really. The vaccines are working. But NOT getting vaccines is a sure way of breaking the economy. We can chat more about this topic in a couple of years if you’d like.

sorry, I’d love to help others get through this with hugs and kisses, but I’m not allowed to because there’s a covid pandemic.

My frustration and ranting doesn’t help and I get that. But I wish the public would get some honest answers regarding why we aren’t getting the numbers we need and other countries are.
 
All that don't matter a stitch.
Bottom line is the previous percentage of population vaccinated.

Did we sign a bad contract quickly? Is that good procurement procedure?

Spin it however you want, we are not getting 'er done with vaccinations.
 

Canada's terrible vaccine rollout is putting the economy at risk and we should be outraged​


We find it shocking that more Canadians aren’t outraged about the terrible rollout of COVID-19 vaccines in this country. As of Friday, we are now ranked 38th in the world and falling rapidly according to the latest University of Oxford data on vaccinations per capita. Even more embarrassing is that we’re the only G7 country having to tap into a supply of vaccine meant primarily for poorer developing countries.

Even Trudeau himself on Friday dismissed the slow COVID-19 vaccine rollout as “noise,” stubbornly maintaining his view that Canada remains on track.

We think the sticking-the-head-in-the-sand approach is very dangerous as it could have serious, long-lasting consequences for our country. The race to secure and deploy vaccines is first and foremost about saving lives, but it is also paramount in protecting the country’s global economic market share.

 
Stizzla said:
No I’m not saying with fact that money moves you up the list, but something has put the USA well ahead of us. Any ideas as to what that could be? I’m guessing money because massive pharmaceutical complies are all about the cheddar.
If it’s not $, you’d think they would divvy up the doses per capita equally.

Yes, I’m saying we should spend a fortune on vaccines. Is it a risk? Not really. The vaccines are working. But NOT getting vaccines is a sure way of breaking the economy. We can chat more about this topic in a couple of years if you’d like.

sorry, I’d love to help others get through this with hugs and kisses, but I’m not allowed to because there’s a covid pandemic.

My frustration and ranting doesn’t help and I get that. But I wish the public would get some honest answers regarding why we aren’t getting the numbers we need and other countries are.
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The Americans have a policy called "America First" and last December the then President signed an Executive Order saying that vaccine companies could not ship outside the US until it's needs have been meet. This means that supply is not expected until after the second quarter. This was expected and is why Canada had to go to Europe for supply.
 
I’ll do you all a favour and take my negative attitude away from this thread.
hopefully we get our **** together and this is one day a thing of the past.
Let’s be honest, that Canada 38th joke is hilarious though.

Stizzla out
 
GLG said:
The Americans have a policy called "America First" and last December the then President signed an Executive Order saying that vaccine companies could not ship outside the US until it's needs have been meet. This means that supply is not expected until after the second quarter. This was expected and is why Canada had to go to Europe for supply.
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Is that why our govt wasted months and many lives because they tried to purchase from their communist Chinese friends (who told them to pound sand after leading them months down the road)?
 
wildmanyeah said:
okay so we have now determined that the america first policy was very successful and accounts for there rapid vaccination program.

Why is the UK ahead?
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I think they dumped a lot of money into vaccine production. We (despite various talking points) have some limited level of vaccine production, but it's not very competitive. I believe the choice was made to import rather than try to get our own supply chain, which I don't think would necessarily be a terrible decision, although in hindsight obviously it worked out badly.

To me the bigger question is how Israel nailed it so well. They don't have their own production capacity either. They're also going to hit 75% before we hit 5%, at current rates.

I know their agreements involved handing over a lot of data, but maybe the real secret is that they could actually reliably gather the data? I'm not sure.

At any rate it seems clear that the CanSino vaccine was always an obviously terrible choice, and we couldn't coattail the Americans because that relationship had faltered. Not that we know it would ever have been an option, but it sure wasn't on the table this time around.

So we had to get in early and with big bucks on the euro-jabs, and evidently we didn't. Or we had to pour money into Canadian labs, but we didn't do that either.

Well, not until it was too late. Now we're trying to find production, for a couple of years from now or whatever.


To me the big lesson here is: DON'T make your country a place where big pharma won't put facilities. You want high costs of doing business, this is what you get. Expensive lesson.
 
disco said:
Is that why our govt wasted months and many lives because they tried to purchase from their communist Chinese friends (who told them to pound sand after leading them months down the road)?
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Could it be that you don't understand the facts and you are just relying on propaganda for your views?
 
Stizzla said:
I’ll do you all a favour and take my negative attitude away from this thread.
hopefully we get our **** together and this is one day a thing of the past.
Let’s be honest, that Canada 38th joke is hilarious though.

Stizzla out
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That's because 38th is a measure of vaccines per 100 population.
That puts countries like Seychelles ahead of us when they have only received 41,694 doses.
So your right it is a joke how some need to twist themself into a pretzel to score points.
 
GLG said:
Could it be that you don't understand the facts and you are just relying on propaganda for your views?
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What are the facts then? Specifically on the CanSino issue and the (I hope) agreed fact that we did not receive any deliveries of vaccine for further testing in Canada from China.

Are all statements that are critical of our government and JT propaganda?
 
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