Fish Farms out?
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wildmanyeah
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I agree that all industry's need to be put to task for there harm to wild salmon.
Pg 36 of this draft report. Not sure if there is a Final Version. https://waves-vagues.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/315670.pdf
IronNoggin
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Grieg Seafoods outlines plans to ditch Scottish operation, increase production in Canada
Grieg Seafood ASA of Norway is pulling out of Scotland and will aim to increase production in Canada and Norway to 130,000 tonnes of salmon annually by 2025.
Grieg Seafoods outlines plans to ditch Scottish operation, increase production in Canada, including Newfoundland | SaltWire
The company's goal to harvest 15,000 tonnes annually by 2025 from its Placentia Bay sites, with the U.S. being the target market
www.theguardian.pe.ca
SpringFever552
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Yup..Grieg Seafoods outlines plans to ditch Scottish operation, increase production in Canada
Grieg Seafood ASA of Norway is pulling out of Scotland and will aim to increase production in Canada and Norway to 130,000 tonnes of salmon annually by 2025.
Grieg Seafoods outlines plans to ditch Scottish operation, increase production in Canada, including Newfoundland | SaltWire
The company's goal to harvest 15,000 tonnes annually by 2025 from its Placentia Bay sites, with the U.S. being the target market
Birdsnest
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Maybe the made a good deal with one of the many bands up and down coast. No amount of salmon farm controversy will stop that.Grieg Seafoods outlines plans to ditch Scottish operation, increase production in Canada
Grieg Seafood ASA of Norway is pulling out of Scotland and will aim to increase production in Canada and Norway to 130,000 tonnes of salmon annually by 2025.
Grieg Seafoods outlines plans to ditch Scottish operation, increase production in Canada, including Newfoundland | SaltWire
The company's goal to harvest 15,000 tonnes annually by 2025 from its Placentia Bay sites, with the U.S. being the target market
Just imagine the revenue that could be generated for indigenous people if individual bands up north started utilizing their coastal territories for salmon farming. Staggering considering that currently less than 10% of the BC coast suitable for salmon farming is being used now.
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Whole in the Water
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Yup just imagine the increased amount of pollution, disease, pesticides, incidental fish bycatch and damage to the marine environment - yay NOT!
Time to move net pen farms onto the land so we can enjoy the economic benefits while better managing the negative environmental impacts of
salmon farming. The sooner the better!
wildmanyeah
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even AA won't argue against first nation run fish farms. Economic agreements with first nations will be the path used.
Whole in the Water
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Never get bored saying the same thing over and over because it is the right thing to say.
Not in denial as the evidence continues to grow about the negative impacts of net pen fish farms. The future for this industry is on land not in the water.
Yes there are great opportunities for this industry and First Nations and we hope FN's can pursue them, they just need to be on the land to better management the negative environmental impacts. This is not denial - just the logical evolution for this industry. Can't happen soon enough for those that support wild salmon!
Not in denial as the evidence continues to grow about the negative impacts of net pen fish farms. The future for this industry is on land not in the water.
Yes there are great opportunities for this industry and First Nations and we hope FN's can pursue them, they just need to be on the land to better management the negative environmental impacts. This is not denial - just the logical evolution for this industry. Can't happen soon enough for those that support wild salmon!
wildmanyeah
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would you buy farmed fish if it was land based?
Whole in the Water
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I would need to research it to ensure it was healthy and safe like any food product I consume (just common sense). If there is reliable consensus that it is healthy and safe then yes I would.
I understand that everyone needs economic development and the open net-pen industry is one convenient and easy way to do that. It's just that it is more often a trap that once you enter into that partnership - your long term options are narrowed wrt salmon fishing and possibly localized crustaceans fisheries (e.g. lobsters) earning any income from that. Just look at the history of Western Scotland or SW NB to see how that played-out.
And seeing everything through the lens of money alone has always ended-up being a disaster. So many examples here.
Most First Nations that I know would like more economic opportunities for their members. Most understand the risks involved using the open net-pen technology - and consequently so very few have decided the risk is worth it. Of the ~200-odd FN in BC - only a small handful have plowed ahead with open net-cage partnerships with the existing corporations - and there is considerable disagreement even still within those communities as to whether the Faustian choice was the best choice. I'm really not seeing that change any time soon - maybe never. That's because FNs actually do care about what options & opportunities they are leaving their youth with.
Shellfish is more often the better choice wrt matching lifestyles, long-term vision and risks for FN - but is much tougher to get off the ground and make money. It too has some risks. So - it hasn't been as developed as it's potential, neither.
Hard choices all the way around.
I could awkwardly live with open net-cages if they lying stopped and we actually addressed the risks and impacts to localized adjacent wild stocks (e.g. siting criteria, disease reporting, etc.) - and made a decision as to what the pros and cons really are rather than listening to the spin from the industry's PR machine - and if DFO was removed from promoting rather than regulating the industry as it should.
And seeing everything through the lens of money alone has always ended-up being a disaster. So many examples here.
Most First Nations that I know would like more economic opportunities for their members. Most understand the risks involved using the open net-pen technology - and consequently so very few have decided the risk is worth it. Of the ~200-odd FN in BC - only a small handful have plowed ahead with open net-cage partnerships with the existing corporations - and there is considerable disagreement even still within those communities as to whether the Faustian choice was the best choice. I'm really not seeing that change any time soon - maybe never. That's because FNs actually do care about what options & opportunities they are leaving their youth with.
Shellfish is more often the better choice wrt matching lifestyles, long-term vision and risks for FN - but is much tougher to get off the ground and make money. It too has some risks. So - it hasn't been as developed as it's potential, neither.
Hard choices all the way around.
I could awkwardly live with open net-cages if they lying stopped and we actually addressed the risks and impacts to localized adjacent wild stocks (e.g. siting criteria, disease reporting, etc.) - and made a decision as to what the pros and cons really are rather than listening to the spin from the industry's PR machine - and if DFO was removed from promoting rather than regulating the industry as it should.
wildmanyeah
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commercial fishermen use a part of their proceeds to fund an effort to muddy the waters on this so i doubt you would ever get a reliable consensus especially if you are already bias towards the benefits of eating "wild".
Whole in the Water
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Thanks for telling me what I would do, or not do - you have no idea! LOL . What about sticking to what you think and know about and not speaking for others when you have no clue what they are thinking. I'll do it for you, will you do it for me? Seem reasonable?
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wildmanyeah
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so give a yes or no answer there is already amable information available to make one. there is also land based fish farm food option available in bc as well. Do you consume any of them?
wildmanyeah
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A few years back when i was just north of victoria at a sushi restaurant it had atlantic as an option from this place. it was marketed as sustainable land based atlantic salmon on the menu.
there is also a coho based one in abbotsford thats scraping by but no one in bc really wants to touch farmed fish. the coho has the advantage of being the dark red thats is more sought after.
my point being is BC is not a market for land based fish farms and when you get into land based fish farms closer to the consumer base the better. so banning fish farms would likely be a huge economic killer in north island people where i live tho on the mainland could care less and if fish farms survive
so yeah say move them to land! but do so with the caveat that they likely won't be sticking around in bc!
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Whole in the Water
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So I gave a yes no answer - it was a qualified yes. Is there "amable" info available on land based fish farms? - maybe you could provide some for us to review? I have not found any advertised land based farmed fish for sale where I live - if I did I would be interested in checking it out.
wildmanyeah
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West Creek Aquaculture land raised farmed salmon in BC
Land Based Aquaculture raising Salmon and Trout in Closed Containment facilities without chemicals, hormones, antibiotics, or vaccines. SeaChoice and Ocean Wise
www.westcreekbc.ca
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