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Chek news today.
Dino has stated that an investigation into Fraser sockeye had found that aroung 95% of fish
intended for aboriginal communities
are sold on the black market for huge profits.
So how much is organized crime responsible for and what about the rest?
Dino could't complete the investigation due to lack of funding.

Any thoughts Ding Dong
 
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Maybe we should ask the DFO to supply us with an officiating crew for the next Canucks game. They will put their whistles in their pockets, do nothing and let them play.
 
Chek news today.
Dino has stated that an investigation into Fraser sockeye had found that aroung 95% of fish
intended for aboriginal communities
are sold on the black market for huge profits.
So how much is organized crime responsible for and what about the rest?
Dino could't complete the investigation due to lack of funding.

Any thoughts Ding Dong

Read the statement that I posted on my profile page a while ago; All I asked for was the proof, not the excuse. A statement from DFO with an excuse attached means nothing. Fix it or loose it. Why do you think that there are drastic changes being made for FN commercial fishing opportunities. Simply; it is the only tool that DFO has at the moment in order to develop some form of accountability.
 
Thanks for the reply but I don't get what you are saying?
Maybe food and or ceremonial fish could (should) be distributed some other way?
 
Read this this morning, Crey looks like he is trying to hide prior knowledge of wrong doing by making those "Incompent remarks about DFO, even if he is right.
http://news.ca.msn.com/local/britishcolumbia/aboriginal-food-fish-sold-on-black-market

Organized crime has infiltrated the black-market trade of salmon caught for aboriginal food and ceremonial purposes, apparently diverting it for sale on the open market, an inquiry into the Fraser River fishery has heard.

However, officials with the Department of Fisheries and Oceans say funding cuts mean there's not much they can do about sockeye being laundered commercially.

Scott Coultish, regional chief of the department's intelligence and investigation services, told the inquiry last week that significant organized criminal activity is involved in the handling of the salmon because of its value.

Coultish told lawyer Don Rosenbloom that a 2005 investigation called Project Ice Storm led officials to Vancouver-area fish plants where they found a large amount of sockeye meant for First Nations consumption, but lacked the resources to trace where it went from there.

He told the inquiry that in recent years, about 97 per cent of fish caught in the lower Fraser River and meant for consumption solely by aboriginals was sold on the market.

The department's investigation, some aspects of which involved the RCMP, also found that crab being shipped from Vancouver's airport to New York included about $1 million in marijuana concealed in packaging, Coultish said at the inquiry last week.

'Sad state of affairs'

Investigators learned that people embroiled in various types of criminal activity are also involved with fish, he told Rosenbloom.

"It is a sad state of affairs where DFO believes that organized crime has infiltrated the fishery, yet they acknowledge they are incapable of enforcing the law," Rosenbloom said in an interview Saturday.

"The fishery is a public resource and the government of Canada should ensure that DFO's enforcement wing is aptly funded to ensure full enforcement of our fishery laws."

Rosenbloom represents a group of gillnetters and seiners at the ongoing judicial inquiry examining the decline of Fraser River sockeye.

Coultish said the sockeye found in the plants was vacuum-packed for sale when discovered at the plants, but the inability to follow its whereabouts could put the future of such investigations in jeopardy.

The plants don't take ownership of the fish but are simply used as storage facilities so it's not illegal for them to possess it, he said.

Sockeye should be shared

Gail Sparrow, former chief of the Musqueam band, said she wants the bounty of the Fraser River's sockeye to be shared among aboriginal people, but that wasn't the case at the reserve last summer during the biggest run in a quarter century.

She said the Fisheries Department should involve First Nations people more in establishing the fishery.

"If they break the law, we have to prosecute them,"she said.

"We want justice, we want things done right. And when there's something that's a right-based fishery we want it done right. We don't want it abused."

Union of B.C. Indian Chiefs President Stewart Phillip accused Sparrow of sensationalism, saying he doesn't believe Sparrow's claims that aboriginal fishermen were involved in illegally selling sockeye while Musqueam band members were left with little fish last summer.

"She's known to make high-profile public statements," he said, adding the Fisheries Department can't prove where the fish from the plants ended up.

Fisheries Department 'incompetent'

Ernie Crey, a fisheries adviser to the Sto:lo Tribal Council, criticized the Fisheries Department for starting an investigation it couldn't finish.

"My take on all of this is well, if you're the consummate professionals that you claim you are, why didn't you create a budget?" he said.

"Now the folks that are made to look bad are the aboriginal community because of your incompetence. If you're going to do an investigation, and they did it seven years ago, you're going to establish evidence that would meet any test in the courtroom.

"You've run out of money, so hello, you're incompetent."

Randy Nelson, director of conservation and protection, told the inquiry that Fraser River sockeye has become another form of currency for those selling it to make money illegally.

Up to 1,800 people owe fines of about $1 million for violations to the Fisheries Act, he told Rosenbloom.

"A million dollars is a lot of money but what's even more stunning is that 1,700 or 1,800 individuals who are known to have violated the Fisheries Act ... are walking away with immunity because DFO claims to lack the fiscal capacity to properly enforce," Rosenbloom said.

Mike Lapointe, who assesses in-season Fraser River sockeye as chief biologist with the Pacific Salmon Commission, said he couldn't comment directly on the illegal sale of fish.

"If it's true, it's sad, obviously, because folks who need that fish aren't getting it."
 
"As for fish farming the government will never abandon the idea it is just to much tax money to throw away....."

Smiley66

IMHO, Smiley you are right, to a point. The validation for the governments seeing this industry as useful is not from the meager amount of 'tax money' from the income tax paid by the 1000 or so underpaid BC employees working for this circus, I believe it goes much deeper than that. I believe the industry has strategically 'PAID-OFF' certain politicians in order to exist.
 
Well, if you still don’t know - It is so - Stó:lō Tribes (and they still refer to themselves as Tribes) do and will continue to sell ANY salmon they choose, regardless of what Canada thinks. They have made that quite clear in the past!

The problem goes much deeper than just selling some salmon. Which btw the U.S. still considers illegal and it will be confiscated if / and when found anywhere in the Sates, along with all that marijuana.

There is no Stó:lō Tribe that has a treaty in effect and some don’t have any intentions of ever signing a treaty. That is part of your problem and it is NOT just about selling some salmon. It is well known the Sto:lo, especially the Cheam have been and will continue to sell their catch, with or without the blessing of Canada. They don’t even consider Canada as a governing body. I believe the following sums up their thoughts clearly. And, I do quote:

We, the people of the Stó:lōTribes, openly and publicly declare and affirm to the people and governments of Canada and British Columbia:

That the people of the Stó:lō Tribes have held and still hold Aboriginal title and Aboriginal rights to all land and resources within our territory.

That the people of the Stó:lō Tribes have never reached any agreement or treaty with the governments of Canada and British Columbia concerning the occupation, settlement, sovereignty or jurisdiction over our land.

We, the people of the Stó:lō Tribes, declare and affirm our inalienable right of Aboriginal title and Aboriginal rights to the land, the mountains, the minerals, the trees, the lakes, the rivers, the streams, the sea, the air, and the other resources of our land. We declare that our Aboriginal title and Aboriginal rights have existed from time immemorial, exists at the present and shall for all future time.

We, the people of the Stó:lō Tribes, declare that we shall do all in our power to see that the governments of Canada and British Columbia recognize in law and in practice our Aboriginal title and rights.
http://sxta.bc.ca/declaration.html

If that message isn’t clear enough, how about neither do “most” consider Canada as a controlling government, and leave British Columbia completely out of that equation. For example, when the Ermineskin Cree Nation,has any grievance concerning their Treaty Six, signed in 1876 with Queen Victoria, they do NOT address anything with Canada? They express their treaty grievances directly with the “British monarch.” For clarification, in their view – that would be the two isovereign nations who signed that treaty – and they feel, it wasn’t Canada that their sovereign nation signed a treaty with. They just might be right?
http://www.firstnations.eu/indian_land.htm

Want more? There is a Sto:lo Tribal Council and then there is a Sto:lo Nation. In 2005, 19 Sto:lo First Nations who are still in and part of the Sto:lo Nation, underwent an internal re-organization, eventually forming two tribal councils. Eight of these – Chawathil, Cheam,Kwantlen, Kwaw-kwaw-Apilt, Scowlitz, Seabird Island, Shxw'ow'hamel and Soowahlie – formed the Sto:lo Tribal Council. The Sto:lo Tribal Council have chosen NOT to participate in the BCTC process at this time. [Kind of makes their intentions clear, doesn't it?]

Connecting the dots, yet? Now connect the above information, with this dated December 2009. A Little Backround to the MountainGoat People http://noii-van.resist.ca/?page_id=86

“Very few treaties were ever signed in British Columbia, a state self imposed precursor to legislative power over an area of original people. Despite historic resistance by the Pilalts to interference in their internal affairs, the Government of Canada launched a program of social control and cultural extinguishment through the imposition of the Band Council System. The Pilalt’s are still in conflict with the Canadian State, and it’s coastal indigenous policing tool: the Department of Fisheriesand Oceans (DFO)”

“But Denise is fighting the State and asserting that;
~ DFO cannot close the river
~They have inherent right to the fish,
~And, their title and land has never been ceded.
THEY ARE SOVEREIGN!”
http://noii-van.resist.ca/?page_id=86

Dots connected yet concerning the selling of salmon? If not, I believe all you have to do is read this, published April 28, 2005, ‘Where have the salmon gone?

“Mr Williams' report added a more shocking twist. He concluded that illegal fishing on the Fraser river is “rampant and out of control”, with “no-go” zones where fisheries officers are told not to confront Indian poachers for fear of violence. The judge complained that the DFO withheld a report by one of its investigators which detailed extensive poaching and sale of salmon by members of the Cheam First Nation, some of whom were armed.”

“Some First Nations claim an unrestricted right to fish and sell their catch. Canada's constitution acknowledges the aboriginal right to fish for food and for social and ceremonial needs, but not a general commercial right. On the Fraser, however, the DFO has granted Indians a special commercial fishery. To some Indians, even that is not enough.”
http://www.economist.com/node/3915134

That article was written in 2005! Now, just in case you missed it – Your small problem of selling salmon, is part of a VERY LARGE PROBLEM! The problem actually comes down - who really owns what and who has the right to govern who! For those that don’t know, The United Nations is involved, and Canada’s native Americans are very active within the U.N. concerning this issue!

Concerning Ernie Crey, he doesn’t even consider the selling of salmon illegal. He represents the Stó:lō Tribal Council and supports their overall agenda! Read the above again, and remember - the Sto:lo Tribal Council have chosen NOT to participate in any treaty process. Simply put, THEY feel you are on THEIR land, those are THEIR salmon, THEY can do what ever they want, and Canada has no authority to tell them anything! So, concerning the selling of fish is things starting to come to light and questions answered? Are you starting to get their message? The United Nations certainly is!

Just my 2 cents - the "whole" problem needs resolved!
 
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Yup, we need a good old Indian war, then we sign a treaty. Of course we would need a U.N. peace keeping force along the Fraser, complete with their blue helmuts and their rules about NOT engaging Hostiles. Hum, that sounds suspiciously like it is now with the DFO.
 
Yup, we need a good old Indian war, then we sign a treaty. Of course we would need a U.N. peace keeping force along the Fraser, complete with their blue helmuts and their rules about NOT engaging Hostiles. Hum, that sounds suspiciously like it is now with the DFO.

Agreed, just need a few more of us Albertans out here and we can play cowboys and indians again! ;) haha

In all honesty, its a pretty screwed up situation we have created for ourselves here with the segregation. But its not even a matter of what is legal in Canada and what isn't. The "tribes" should realize that it only hurts themselves to fish the water so hard. Maybe we should just quit the restocking of the Fraser and let them panick for a few years, till they are ready to negotiate.
 
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