Just SAY NO!!

[Jencourt]

Not sure if this has been posted yet. I just watched it and thought it to be well worth the time.

http://player.vimeo.com/video/19582018?autoplay=1

Forgot to add the link to sign the protest.

http://dogwoodinitiative.org/notankers/


Cheers: Ray

 

[Gunsmith]

That is definitely not an outrageous demand, after all it has been so for a while. The ban on tankers should be maintained.
Thank you jencourt.

 

[Fish Assassin]

Great video.....Thank Ray

 

[cuttlefish]

Great video indeed, thanks.

I agree that the ban should stay but think it will take more than just saying no to tankers. Gotta stop that pipeline or else there's no stopping the tankers.
BTW, am I wrong in my memory that the Exxon Valdez was outbound, not inbound when it hit Bligh Reef? If my memmory serves me, they need to fix the video.

 

[beemer]

I don't think people realize how much oil actually gets shipped presently right past our front door. The ban does not really exist and IMHO is not really practical. Where and how do people think they are going to get refined fuel to power their car or boat?

Rather than a complete ban we should adopt the American law that requires all oil tankers on inside waterways to be accompanied by a tug. Our ability to deal with a spill in Canada is incredibly poor and is where the real problem lies.

beemer

 

[Jencourt]

I don't think people realize how much oil actually gets shipped presently right past our front door. The ban does not really exist and IMHO is not really practical. Where and how do people think they are going to get refined fuel to power their car or boat?

Rather than a complete ban we should adopt the American law that requires all oil tankers on inside waterways to be accompanied by a tug. Our ability to deal with a spill in Canada is incredibly poor and is where the real problem lies.

Beemer, before responding I would like to say that No offense is intended.(I welcome all discussion on anything I post) I do feel it necessary to add these arguments though.

you are probably correct in saying most of us do not realize how much oil gets shipped past us already. Unfortunately that is the only part of your statement I agree with.

All I know is I do not need this pipeline or those tankers to get fuel for me nor do any of us for that matter. If she goes you can be sure it will not make fuel any cheaper for us to buy. Only thing it will do is make it more cost affective for them to export it out.There is way more money in it for them to send out raw crude than to refine it and sell it here.So once again the very thing that makes living here so desired is put at more risk so the big boys can pocket more. They will continue to export it regardless of weather this goes through or not.Why let them create so much risk to only benefit them monetarily. Sure will not make near as many more jobs as they make it seem it will..(short term during construction yes)The rest that will be needed to work the docking and filling ect are mostly jobs coming from elsewhere.All the jobs in the world are not worth the kind of risk this poses.I know that industry creates environmental risk and we can not stop it all or no one would be working,but in this case way too much risk for NO reward except to those who will keep selling it anyway.

Ouote "Our ability to deal with a spill in Canada is incredibly poor and is where the real problem lies."

I agree that from the little I have seen and read we are in great need of improvement on this.To say that 'that is where the real problem lies dose' not wash with me.IMHO. How about we prevent the catastrophe in the first place instead of trying to convince everyone we can handle it if it dose happen.That is kinda like looking at a dangerous high accident uncontrolled intersection and posting an ambulance there for wen a crash happens instead of putting some lights in and getting it controlled. No matter how good at clean up we get there is no way a spill will not devastate the echo system .Everywhere the tankers will go they will have two or more shorelines within a stones throw of them.

I hate the idea, I applaud those who are fighting to stop it and I look upon the politicians and money men that will inevitably push this damn thing through with disgust!

In closing I will say as already has been. Great video,awesome photography,beautiful place. I hope to get there to see it some day.

Cheers: Ray

 

[cuttlefish]

As the shirts on the kids in the video state; "No pipeline, no tankers, no problem".
In that order.

 

[beemer]

Hey Jencourt , I don't disagree with you at all. I just wanted to point out that many people in the environmental movement don't seem to connect the dots. We need oil for government revenue and to run our vehicles. No oil , lumber or mining revenue in Canada means no free medicare , subsidized education and the myriad of services and jobs that keep this country running. We are a resource based economy.

I see tankers rolling past Victoria everyday and all it will take is for one of these beasts to lose power and we will have a major spill on our hands. Ten miles away across the line every tanker has a tug escort and a complete safety backup system in place in case of a spill.

I would love to see widescale use of electric power etc , but the sad reality is that is not going to happen in our lifetime.

beemer

 

[Gunsmith]

I agree with both of you, none of us is willing to stop consuming the oil. Again why is there such a need to export? There is some benefit for us but not at a level that we would not be able to do without.I have yet to see a viable electric solution.
And that's the truth thbsssp!

 

[Englishman]

There is an electric solution for home, industry and office use. We have that now with hydro power and we could switch a lot of that to wind and wave power with enough investment and a determined vision to get off fossil fuels. The problem comes with transportation, since no one has come up with a battery technology to store enough energy to get the same range/performance on our cars, trucks, and boats as we are used to/demand. This is the so-called "energy density" problem. Currently it would mean huge lifestyle changes and compromises (e.g. little or no air travel) which we as a society are unwilling to make. Until that global societal and economic change is made oil will remain "king" and we will, sadly, continue to hurtle towards a warmer global climate with enormous consequences and more environmental catastrophes such as Exon Valdiz and last year's calamity in the Gulf.

 

[reelfast]

if, and thats not a given by any means, Obama stops the XL pipeline from crossing the middle of the U.S., you can expect to see the fight start to reroute this ecological disaster to the west coast of BC. of course you recognize that any and all oil carried by this pipeline, no matter where it ends up, is headed for China. there will be no impact on fuel prices in north america as a result of how or where this pipeline happens.

as a slight correction to your thoughts, oil tankers ply the strait of juan de fuca daily. there are NO tugs shadowing this monsters. they are required, however, at least in US waters, to pick up a pilot at port angeles before they can navigate further inland. not sure about pilots coming out of victoria and when they may be required.

 

[Gunsmith]

You must realize that either you produce with hydro power or windmills or burning fossil fuels. We are being bent over the barrel bigtime right now for today's electrical consumption we will not be using less electrical power if we are charging batteries off the grid. Each watt of power has to be produced from some form of energy it cannot be plucked out from thin air. No matter how it is produced there will bea cost to the environment we really have to learn conservation and we are not ready for that yet but eventually we will be forced to.

There is an electric solution for home, industry and office use. We have that now with hydro power and we could switch a lot of that to wind and wave power with enough investment and a determined vision to get off fossil fuels. The problem comes with transportation, since no one has come up with a battery technology to store enough energy to get the same range/performance on our cars, trucks, and boats as we are used to/demand. This is the so-called "energy density" problem. Currently it would mean huge lifestyle changes and compromises (e.g. little or no air travel) which we as a society are unwilling to make. Until that global societal and economic change is made oil will remain "king" and we will, sadly, continue to hurtle towards a warmer global climate with enormous consequences and more environmental catastrophes such as Exon Valdiz and last year's calamity in the Gulf.