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[islandboy]

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Everyone wants to save the killer whales

So one or two families of killer whales have evolved to be fussy eaters. Evolution is not kind to those who specialize too much. Reality check; there are killer whales all over the planet.

 

[wildmanyeah]

Wow, the level of stupidity being displayed with some of the comments on this thread truly scares me. Yes we are all angry about the restrictions (my wife hears my venting everyday) on fishing . But looking for an easy out here, by blaming foreigner fisherman , immigrants, first nations, governments, pinheads, ENGOs etc., is just ignorant.

The reality is that we are all to blame, “we” as in "mankind" are slowly killing our oceans, I see salmon as the canary in the mine here. Don't get me wrong, I have strong opinions on pinhead culling, herring fishing, salmon farms (sorry James), habitat rehabilitation, and fishing in the rivers for spawning fish. But there are much bigger problems for our salmon, we are killing our oceans through, climate change (which we ignore for economic reasons), polluting our waters, and ocean acidification (changing PH levels of the ocean through CO2 emissions).

If we fix the local issues related to the health of wild salmon stocks that will certainly extend the availability of wild salmon for fishing and food, but for how long. My first questions is do you care if there are salmon for future generations and if you do at what economic cost?

So many on this forum see ENGOs as the enemy or as extremist. Generally speaking, these groups are made up of people committed to trying to save the planet from ourselves. My view of these groups are they have good intentions, but need be realistic and take a balanced approach if they want to get support of the general public. The reality is that ENGOs have the best chance of leading to the changes we need to make, if we want to save our oceans and our salmon. Global changes will take a long time, if ever to happen. So coming full circle, I see it as our responsibility to fight for the things that will keep our salmon around long enough to see those global changes that can lead to the long-term sustainability of wild salmon.

Everyone on here cares that is why we are fired up

Tho I think you a missing the mark a bit....

 

[brutus]

In discussions with both Fisheries critics yesterday, it is quite obvious there will be no turning back from this.
At least this year, and likely for five.
I am uncertain what, if anything the Conservatives would do to lighten the impacts, but I have asked, and will post if / when I get a response.

Whole thing is a travesty.
Already (as in NOW) DFO is "letting" some Fraser Bands commence with a week's effort directed on early run (threatened) springs.
That sector is by far the most responsible for the downward spirals of most spring populations.
Area G (me) has conclusively shown that our impact in May is less than ONE percent Canadian origin, but we get yanked.
Many of the recreational fisheries can indicate the same, but they get yanked.
The FN's are told they will have to wait until July 15, but then they get targeted openings.

And while this whole scenario is being developed, DFO quietly sneaks in a new branch, complete with RDG, support staff and funding.
Title of this new entity?
Reconciliation & Partnerships Branch.
I kid you not:

Via Email:

In direct response to Budget 2019 commitments to support our capacity to work with Indigenous groups and advance reconciliation, I am reaching out to you to share some news about planned organizational changes that we are making at Fisheries and Oceans Canada, Pacific Region, to help position us to build on our established relationships with Indigenous communities and organizations across the Region.

I am pleased to share with you that we are moving forward to create a new team in Pacific Region dedicated to work across our diverse departmental branches to advance reconciliation. The name of this new team -- Reconciliation and Partnerships (R&P) Branch -- reflects the outcomes we want to achieve. My hope is that R&P will provide the Region with strategic support as we continue our work of strengthening our relationships and translating the Government’s high-level reconciliation priorities into specific, concrete and coordinated actions in our day-to-day work.

“Partnerships” in the branch title name highlights the need not only to create partnerships with Indigenous communities to achieve our reconciliation objectives but also to work closely with our industry and recreational partners to ensure that these objectives are realized. Achieving reconciliation will require strong relationships between the Department and industry, governmental and non-governmental organizations and other bodies interested in resource management, all of whom play a role at helping to realize reconciliation.

In the upcoming months, our new Regional Director of R&P, David Didluck, will be seeking opportunities to meet sector advisory and management groups to discuss his work. Rest assured that your key DFO program contacts will not change. I look forward to building on our relationship through further engagement to advance reconciliation and partnerships through fisheries and aquatic management.

Rebecca Reid
Regional Director General
Pacific Region

Life, as I knew it, is over.

Nog

I told everybody last week,they were netting the dam thing,always have and will never stop,opening or not they do,they even call the springs **** fish,they want the soxs,but if they can sell a few spings for cheap,beer money,they dne of my best friend was married to a native from the cheem band,these are facts not fiction.guarentied there is lots of nets in the river as we speak,i still remember my friend was telling me that they where selling springs for 10$ back in the day.Not all of them do it most of the elders are good **** and go by the rules,but the yong rebells in the groups don't give a shitt,its better then selling crack

 

[Tieoneon]

I think its due to the frustration of feeling like the Sport fishing sector is being screwed over. Yes man is a large part of the problems in the ocean and the world for that matter however curtailing one part of the salmon fishery is going to do nothing to fix the problem. What’s the point of protecting the runs in the ocean if there’s no enforcement of poaching on the Fraser? Why aren’t the ENGO members all over that? Protecting the pinheads has resulted in an imbalance, what do you gain when they camp at the mouths of the rivers and gorge on the outgoing fry? How many years has Victoria been been pumping their raw sewage into the ocean? Here in the interior the Salmon river which used to have great runs of sockeye, chinook and coho is down to almost nothing , so much water is removed from the river the salmon would have to walk upstream. I could go on and on. My point is if the government was really serious about saving the salmon there’s a lot of issues to be addressed however they’d sooner treat it as a political football. I do have sympathy for the CO’s as their hands are tied.

 

[IronNoggin]

... So many on this forum see ENGOs as the enemy or as extremist. Generally speaking, these groups are made up of people committed to trying to save the planet from ourselves...

And... Another Candidate for the IGNORE function!
Happy that exists for the chiefly delusional PETA types!

Cheers,
Nog

 

[Ringo]

.... What’s the point of protecting the runs in the ocean if there’s no enforcement of poaching on the Fraser? Why aren’t the ENGO members all over that?

I'm afraid that's exactly what the ENGOs are after and they want to push that as the next step. They want a full closure of sport fishing and they justify that to the DFO as a way of beefing up their resources for in-river enforcement.

 

[wildmanyeah]

I'm afraid that's exactly what the ENGOs are after and they want to push that as the next step. They want a full closure of sport fishing and they justify that to the DFO as a way of beefing up their resources for in-river enforcement.

Actually if you read all the ENGO litigation they say that First Nations must have access for s.35 rights. They want the Natives to get the fish in the river and want the SRKW to have the ocean. They need the FN to push other agendas for them.

 

[brutus]

Wow, the level of stupidity being displayed with some of the comments on this thread truly scares me. Yes we are all angry about the restrictions (my wife hears my venting everyday) on fishing . But looking for an easy out here, by blaming foreigner fisherman , immigrants, first nations, governments, pinheads, ENGOs etc., is just ignorant.

The reality is that we are all to blame, “we” as in "mankind" are slowly killing our oceans, I see salmon as the canary in the mine here. Don't get me wrong, I have strong opinions on pinhead culling, herring fishing, salmon farms (sorry James), habitat rehabilitation, and fishing in the rivers for spawning fish. But there are much bigger problems for our salmon, we are killing our oceans through, climate change (which we ignore for economic reasons), polluting our waters, and ocean acidification (changing PH levels of the ocean through CO2 emissions).

If we fix the local issues related to the health of wild salmon stocks that will certainly extend the availability of wild salmon for fishing and food, but for how long. My first questions is do you care if there are salmon for future generations and if you do at what economic cost?

So many on this forum see ENGOs as the enemy or as extremist. Generally speaking, these groups are made up of people committed to trying to save the planet from ourselves. My view of these groups are they have good intentions, but need be realistic and take a balanced approach if they want to get support of the general public. The reality is that ENGOs have the best chance of leading to the changes we need to make, if we want to save our oceans and our salmon. Global changes will take a long time, if ever to happen. So coming full circle, I see it as our responsibility to fight for the things that will keep our salmon around long enough to see those global changes that can lead to the long-term sustainability of wild salmon.

global warming ???? really???? another firm believer in the man made global warming bullshitt,Al Gore made millions of $ spewing that **** on the sheep that would believe it,where is he now???? the ocean was going to the flood the land and we all where going to die????? we still here aren't we,now the new thing is the end is in 12 years,REALLY????? the planet as been warming for thousands of years, and you think that human footprint has something to do with all this????ENGO are a bunch of liberal snowflakes that spew bullshitt,while flying around in private jets,and caravan of suv ,going to meeting.I bet your a big fan of David Suzuki too???another bs spewing ipocrite.They all know what the problem are they choose to ignore them for political gains,they bow to pressure from the people that push the most money,unfortunatly we as fisherman are small potatoes to them

 

[brutus]

And... Another Candidate for the IGNORE function!
Happy that exists for the chiefly delusional PETA types!

Cheers,
Nog

don't get me going MATT,lol

 

[Ringo]

Actually if you read all the ENGO litigation they say that First Nations must have access for s.35 rights. They want the Natives to get the fish in the river and want the SRKW to have the ocean. They need the FN to push other agendas for them.

That is correct! They see "enforcement" as a required function to shut down sport fishing.

 

[Islander57]

It really gets difficult seeing all the comments and try to take a lot of you seriously. You really should go visit the sites of your opponents and see why we as a group are losing the battle. It's the language, the message we post. We don't seem capable of putting together a united, well worded message that represents anything other than greed, and an unwillingness to give up something to achieve something far more important than more fish in our freezer. There are so many contributing factors as to why we are where we are with our fishery. Recreational fishermen truly do a lot to help with enhancing the stocks. But we can't just toss this on the Liberals, the ENGO's. As I see it, previous federal governments going well back into the 90's, Harper's deregulations and cutbacks on scientists and biologists, overfishing by all sectors in sensitive areas. I am truly puzzled what the message is that we want to grasp and fight for. We are all over the map right now while our opponents have put their message together and stood by it.

 

[wildmanyeah]

But we can't just toss this on the Liberals, the ENGO's. As I see it, previous federal governments going well back into the 90's, Harper's deregulations and cutbacks on scientists and biologists, overfishing by all sectors in sensitive areas. I am truly puzzled what the message is that we want to grasp and fight for. We are all over the map right now while our opponents have put their message together and stood by it.

THIS was a political decision, The public servants that work for DFO did not put this plan together. You may remember option A and B well this is option A but harsher.

This is on the Liberals and ENGO's, lets make that crystal freaking clear right now.

There were options available that protected fraser fish while still allowing access, This was not those options.

 

[Islander57]

THIS was a political decision, The public servants that work for DFO did not put this plan together. You may remember option A and B well this is option A but harsher.

This is on the Liberals and ENGO's, lets make that crystal freaking clear right now.

There were options available that protected fraser fish while still allowing access, This was not those options.

That's right, the Conservatives would have just kept their heads tucked deeply up their butt and done nothing. Thank you for reminding me of that. The message I find we are all over the board with involves the word conservation. We seem to get our panties in a bunch every time our take is affected. Everybody's take is affected. This isn't an all out assault on the recreational fishery. I personally have felt for some time there were major problems with the Fraser fish, not only chinook. Sockeye are also hugely affected. Just as easily as I can research what the opposition groups are saying, they can just as easily visit this site and see our "message". That's what I am saying. We don't seem to show a message we can all stand behind, and they see that too.

 

[wildmanyeah]

That's right, the Conservatives would have just kept their heads tucked deeply up their butt and done nothing. Thank you for reminding me of that. The message I find we are all over the board with involves the word conservation. We seem to get our panties in a bunch every time our take is affected. Everybody's take is affected. This isn't an all out assault on the recreational fishery. I personally have felt for some time there were major problems with the Fraser fish, not only chinook. Sockeye are also hugely affected. Just as easily as I can research what the opposition groups are saying, they can just as easily visit this site and see our "message". That's what I am saying. We don't seem to show a message we can all stand behind, and they see that too.

Are fish going to be "conserved" as a result of this measure are more fish going to make it to spawn, In case you haven't noticed the SE alaska troll gets more allocation this year and the Fraser Native is business as usual.

Its yet to be seen if this will have any measured effect and according to those have crunched the numbers the only way to have a measurable effect to save Fraser Fish is to Significantly reduce the nets on the Fraser.

Also what do you think is going to happen to Fraser Fish if there are gillnet sockeye openings on the Fraser????

 

[wildmanyeah]

Gibbs Delta Tackle
57 mins ·


Today our COO and SFI President Rob Alcock and the Sport Fishing Institute of BC sat down with Fisheries Minister Jonathan Wilkinson - Here is a re-cap of the meeting:

Understand that the Minister’s decision has been made and will not be reversed. What we were trying to achieve was a better understanding of his intentions and if there was flexibility or room to tweak some areas.

Opened the meeting with significant discussion expressing our extreme disappointment and betrayal. Followed by the immediate and long term effects of his actions.

Noted that his statement that “Pacific Chinook” were in a critical state was a lie and very misleading to the public. Many stocks are doing very well. His message basically told the world not to come to BC for fishing.

Accepting that he is not going to reverse the decision, how can we work with it to reduce damage.

A: As the stock of concern travels off shore on the west coast, we requested that a one mile surf line be applied to the west coast allowing communities like Port Renfrew and Tofino to have a fishery. This was well received and the open for discussion.

B: Would he consider changes or moving dates eg: open for Canada Day. Pretty hard no on this one.

C: No reason to close Georgia Straight inlets as there is no science indicating the stock of concern are there. Well received and under consideration.

D: Selective marked fishery. If we are allowed to fish but not retain wild salmon why would we not be able to keep a hatchery salmon should we catch one. This one has nothing to do with conservation in the ocean and is a FN issue. DFO wants to keep the nets out of the river until July 14 and if rec anglers are retaining “any” salmon... then FN has a constitutional right to as well. A selective marked fishery would require support from FN. This one is not off the table but will be a tough one to get approved.

E: How do they plan to implement the new 10 fish annual limit when many people have already purchased their license and it has 30 on it? This one was challenging for them. Not sure what they will do.

F: Lots of other discussion including no fin fish area from Otter to East Point should be open for Halibut etc. Other potential opportunities to reduce the damage.

We will be getting back together soon to review these possible changes and hopefully expect to see some variance orders to the regs.

Expect the Fisheries Notice to come out today with Variance Orders to follow for any changes.

 

[wildmanyeah]

so does that mean they are going to change how they manage coho??

"D: Selective marked fishery. If we are allowed to fish but not retain wild salmon why would we not be able to keep a hatchery salmon should we catch one. This one has nothing to do with conservation in the ocean and is a FN issue. DFO wants to keep the nets out of the river until July 14 and if rec anglers are retaining “any” salmon... then FN has a constitutional right to as well. A selective marked fishery would require support from FN. This one is not off the table but will be a tough one to get approved."

 

[Islander57]

the only way to have a measurable effect to save Fraser Fish is to Significantly reduce the nets on the Fraser.

Also what do you think is going to happen to Fraser Fish if there are gillnet sockeye openings on the Fraser????

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I've always agreed with reducing nets on the Fraser. And more nets on the Fraser to target sockeye will keep lowering the numbers making it back to the spawning beds. One thing that can not be done however is to deny FN their treaty rights under the constitution access to fish for food and ceremonial under their treaties. Money spent to upscale enforcement of violations however is a different story. Neither parties that have had federal power in this millennium have done jack **** to enforce this properly. Roadside fish sales by FN needs to be put to an end. Fish caught commercially by FN need to be as strictly enforced as any other commercial group. Don't mistake what I am saying and twist it around. I'm not all for these cuts to the recreational sector. But at the same time, I realize something has to change with the way fisheries is run to protect salmon. Doesn't matter what party is in power. We need to accept as part of the affected sector, that we do in fact need to be a part of the solution, and unfortunately, cuts are part of that. Just the same as industry such as forestry and mining need to play a part. So many factors. We are the end users of the resource. These cuts will affect many. But unless we can present ourselves as a viable part of the solution, instead of a name calling, finger pointing unorganized group of self serving fish killers, we won't get anywhere with the well organized and funded opposition.

 

[Ringo]

Wait a second- is FN dropping a penny for the hatchery fish? Our licenses and volunteer hours keep the hatcheries running. Why DFO is even entertaining this sense of entitlement is beyond me.

 

[brutus]

THIS was a political decision, The public servants that work for DFO did not put this plan together. You may remember option A and B well this is option A but harsher.

This is on the Liberals and ENGO's, lets make that crystal freaking clear right now.

There were options available that protected fraser fish while still allowing access, This was not those options.

Thank you

 

[Rockfish]

so does that mean they are going to change how they manage coho??

"D: Selective marked fishery. If we are allowed to fish but not retain wild salmon why would we not be able to keep a hatchery salmon should we catch one. This one has nothing to do with conservation in the ocean and is a FN issue. DFO wants to keep the nets out of the river until July 14 and if rec anglers are retaining “any” salmon... then FN has a constitutional right to as well. A selective marked fishery would require support from FN. This one is not off the table but will be a tough one to get approved."

Even if we accept that rational then why can't we keep marked hatchery Chinook in JDF between July 14 and Aug 1st when we get our one Chinook opening for a few weeks until they are past? It seems to me they just did not think of it and suggests political incompetence. This is what happens when evidence based fishery management decisions are secondary to political games.