95TH IPHC Meeting in Victoria

Report is on the IPHC page and can be accessed by selecting the list of reports supporting the annual meetings this week.

As harvest is an indicator of relative encounters year over year, in absence of other data showing a marked increase, ala 50% increase in encounters resulting in release mortality, then the data I showed and my summary of it is as valid as any data available on this issue, unless DFO is hiding available data.

As you know, GLG, the regs haven’t changed substantially in the last few years with a slot, max size and annual limit. The max size being tweaked down by a few cms isn’t a valid rationale for a 50% increase in release mortality allocated to the rec sector. It also ignores a lot of evidence that total effort targeting halibut, due to these same strict regs, has been scaled back SIGNIFICANTLY. If anything, with the current regs and anglers response to them we should have expected a noticeable reduction in total halibut encounters and thus a reduction in release mortality. As such, the 50% increase sticks out like a sore thumb!

The wonky release mortality numbers used by DFO look suspiciously like they were fudged to bring the rec totals as close to the rec allocation as possible with the hopes no one was looking closely at the data or going to ask questions. Just like the DFOs manufactured issues of prawn and clam rec harvest “pressures” with no data to back it up, all of us should be standing up and calling BS on these release mortality #’s that have no data supporting them!!!

Cheers!

Ukee
 
Report is on the IPHC page and can be accessed by selecting the list of reports supporting the annual meetings this week.

As harvest is an indicator of relative encounters year over year, in absence of other data showing a marked increase, ala 50% increase in encounters resulting in release mortality, then the data I showed and my summary of it is as valid as any data available on this issue, unless DFO is hiding available data.

As you know, GLG, the regs haven’t changed substantially in the last few years with a slot, max size and annual limit. The max size being tweaked down by a few cms isn’t a valid rationale for a 50% increase in release mortality allocated to the rec sector. It also ignores a lot of evidence that total effort targeting halibut, due to these same strict regs, has been scaled back SIGNIFICANTLY. If anything, with the current regs and anglers response to them we should have expected a noticeable reduction in total halibut encounters and thus a reduction in release mortality. As such, the 50% increase sticks out like a sore thumb!

The wonky release mortality numbers used by DFO look suspiciously like they were fudged to bring the rec totals as close to the rec allocation as possible with the hopes no one was looking closely at the data or going to ask questions. Just like the DFOs manufactured issues of prawn and clam rec harvest “pressures” with no data to back it up, all of us should be standing up and calling BS on these release mortality #’s that have no data supporting them!!!

Cheers!

Ukee
So basically you don't believe me. Fine whatever.... not going to change anything because your mind is set and there is a conspiracy out there.
 
If we are going to be dinged for that much C&R morts then perhaps having a no size limit derby in July or August makes more sense.

What % did the american sports fishermen get dinged with?

Would single barbless hook reg help?
 
So basically you don't believe me. Fine whatever.... not going to change anything because your mind is set and there is a conspiracy out there.

Sorry, what am I not believing GLG? Unless I’m missing something you said folks struggled with allocating something for release mortality with no data, and, after many years of it not being resolved the crunch happened this year so some other arbitrary non-data supported approach was taken. Unless I’ve totally miscaracterized that, the end result is non-data supported assumption and a drastic increase with no rationale.

What I’m pointing out is that DFO has been allocating release mortality to the rec sector since 2013 without supporting data and this past year it jumped by an incredible 50%. That is further contrasted by a lot of rec sector anecdotal evidence that effort targeting halibut has been reduced significantly, a response that is predictable given the very restrictive regs. The 50% increase in release mortality we’re being saddled with isn’t logical or predictable, nor is it data supported.

Based on this, how am I being painted by you as the unreasonable stubborn one? I’ve presented the data I took directly from the IPHC, (which was provided to them by DFO) that I’m basing my statements on. By all means, present data that supports a counter argument and present that argument. However, just like the rec sector shouldn’t be blindly accepting DFOs assertion that rec exploitation on prawns and clams has increased and is causing sustainability concerns with no data to support that assertion, we similarly shouldn’t be accepting this bogus increase in Hali release mortality when there’s no data to support it.

My apologies in advance if I’ve missed something obvious you presented and I assure you I’m happy to engage in a respectful discussion of the facts and data.

Cheers!

Ukee
 
Sorry, what am I not believing GLG? Unless I’m missing something you said folks struggled with allocating something for release mortality with no data, and, after many years of it not being resolved the crunch happened this year so some other arbitrary non-data supported approach was taken. Unless I’ve totally miscaracterized that, the end result is non-data supported assumption and a drastic increase with no rationale.

What I’m pointing out is that DFO has been allocating release mortality to the rec sector since 2013 without supporting data and this past year it jumped by an incredible 50%. That is further contrasted by a lot of rec sector anecdotal evidence that effort targeting halibut has been reduced significantly, a response that is predictable given the very restrictive regs. The 50% increase in release mortality we’re being saddled with isn’t logical or predictable, nor is it data supported.

Based on this, how am I being painted by you as the unreasonable stubborn one? I’ve presented the data I took directly from the IPHC, (which was provided to them by DFO) that I’m basing my statements on. By all means, present data that supports a counter argument and present that argument. However, just like the rec sector shouldn’t be blindly accepting DFOs assertion that rec exploitation on prawns and clams has increased and is causing sustainability concerns with no data to support that assertion, we similarly shouldn’t be accepting this bogus increase in Hali release mortality when there’s no data to support it.

My apologies in advance if I’ve missed something obvious you presented and I assure you I’m happy to engage in a respectful discussion of the facts and data.

Cheers!

Ukee

As usual nail it Ukee. This is a farced number and should be debated by sfab but won’t be.
 
lol ... ya those SFAC guy... :p:rolleyes:

We shouldn’t hear sfab isn’t a lobby group. If numbers like this don’t make sense then they should push back on it. End of story. Look at how various interests get shown. Push back. Sfab hides behind not a lobby group wayyyyyy too much and I’ll say that At any sfac meeting.
 
We shouldn’t hear sfab isn’t a lobby group. If numbers like this don’t make sense then they should push back on it. End of story. Look at how various interests get shown. Push back. Sfab hides behind not a lobby group wayyyyyy too much and I’ll say that At any sfac meeting.

I agree with this somewhat only because I have now been told by DFO a few times that I should voice my opinion though the SFAB process. On the steelhead/Sara call (open to public), they told us to give feedback though the SFAB process. My letter about prawns was met with a response that they are working with the sports fishing advisory committee.

That being said I also don't see how they could be an effect lobbying group without some way to raise money either.. That being said there is also lobbying groups in the SFAB process that do collect donations, So they are their to lobby and not to advise, Why else invite lobbying groups into the process to begin with?

So I do find this aspect a bit confusing
 
Sorry, what am I not believing GLG? Unless I’m missing something you said folks struggled with allocating something for release mortality with no data, and, after many years of it not being resolved the crunch happened this year so some other arbitrary non-data supported approach was taken. Unless I’ve totally miscaracterized that, the end result is non-data supported assumption and a drastic increase with no rationale.

What I’m pointing out is that DFO has been allocating release mortality to the rec sector since 2013 without supporting data and this past year it jumped by an incredible 50%. That is further contrasted by a lot of rec sector anecdotal evidence that effort targeting halibut has been reduced significantly, a response that is predictable given the very restrictive regs. The 50% increase in release mortality we’re being saddled with isn’t logical or predictable, nor is it data supported.

Based on this, how am I being painted by you as the unreasonable stubborn one? I’ve presented the data I took directly from the IPHC, (which was provided to them by DFO) that I’m basing my statements on. By all means, present data that supports a counter argument and present that argument. However, just like the rec sector shouldn’t be blindly accepting DFOs assertion that rec exploitation on prawns and clams has increased and is causing sustainability concerns with no data to support that assertion, we similarly shouldn’t be accepting this bogus increase in Hali release mortality when there’s no data to support it.

My apologies in advance if I’ve missed something obvious you presented and I assure you I’m happy to engage in a respectful discussion of the facts and data.

Cheers!

Ukee
I'm not going to spend days on end looking through my notes, minutes and reports that I have after 10 years of SFAC / SFAB. Sorry just not going to happen. I'm trying to step back and relax as I'm supposed to be retired. I just thought I would try to explain from memory why we are seeing a jump of 50% in the released mortality numbers. The SFAC that I belong to has Chuck A. on it and I try to pay attention to what info he tells us. I just recalled him talking about this over the years and I'm just repeating it here. Maybe I'm wrong .... regardless you should request this from DFO if your interested. They are the ones that control the data and when I have had questions in the past they were helpful to me.
 
Halibut opening date of March 15-Nov 14. 6.83 million pounds for Canada. Canada’s quota takes a small cut of 270,000 lbs.

Taken from commercial site.
 
We shouldn’t hear sfab isn’t a lobby group. If numbers like this don’t make sense then they should push back on it. End of story. Look at how various interests get shown. Push back. Sfab hides behind not a lobby group wayyyyyy too much and I’ll say that At any sfac meeting.[/QUOTE

Lol..guess i don't have to say anything then as u seem to have all the answers already :rolleyes:...
 
Is this fact ?
thought the meetings were still in process ?
this from IPHC twitter account
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Halibut opening date of March 15-Nov 14. 6.83 million pounds for Canada. Canada’s quota takes a small cut of 270,000 lbs.

Taken from commercial site.



Anxious to see how this models out with options available to the rec side. @GLG any chance you can run those numbers?
 
Anxious to see how this models out with options available to the rec side. @GLG any chance you can run those numbers?

If the Quota is almost the same then it seems to me we could have the same season as last year if we wanted to. However, I think their has been a push to allow a bigger fish size so will see what happens.
 
If the Quota is almost the same then it seems to me we could have the same season as last year if we wanted to. However, I think their has been a push to allow a bigger fish size so will see what happens.


thats what im hoping for... Finger crossed
 
More negotiations to be held.



If the Quota is almost the same then it seems to me we could have the same season as last year if we wanted to. However, I think their has been a push to allow a bigger fish size so will see what happens.
 
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