i really have no answer to your question Lorne, because i agree that dfo really has no accurate idea of what we are catching, computer models and formulas are a bunch of BS IMO, i am placing my trust in the friends and aquaintances that i know who are working behind the scenes on ours and the entire rec sectors behalf, if they screw us over then i will cross that bridge when when and if we come to it and act accordingly, at this point it's exactly what you stated, we have to stick together, the whole slot and redused thing is a bunch of crap as far as im concerned, but if it works in the short term for the greater good then so be it, i too am VERY worried about the precedent it sets, but its a gamble that that ppl that have more experience than you or i feel is in the best interest for the greater good, albeit only for this season, and the short term sure, so i am cautiously and hesitantly considering it, this is weighing on my mind like you would not believe and is causing me great stress, and i DO NOT take it lightly, its going against my instincts and my gut feeling to be honest, but i really do not feel that they are out to screw us, and having said that, it is NOT a long term solution, the long term goals have NOT changed, sometimes some small concessions and sacrifices have to made along the way in order to reach the final goal, im trying to ratioalize it the best i can somehow because it truely does go against my better judgement, but we cant be going rogue now, we have to stick together as a sector, and weve made it this far and i dont feel like fracturing the sector now, if this goes sideways, well, we will do whatever necesssary to rectify that if we have to, as for now, go with flow my friend..i assure you you were surely NOT misled, its a decision that had to made on the fly if you will.....and to be honest i really dont think it would be shut down before sept 1st even if these restrictions were not adopted, i really dont, but is it really worth the risk?, its a gamble either way, and im not a gambler, so i think i have to go with the odds, i really am torn, but i think that there are others that have more experience and knowledge than i do, so i have to trust they are making the right decision on this one.....holmes*