All Things COVID-19

[sly_karma]

Most of us were focused on the flooding and mudslides this past week, but BC numbers continue to move slowly in the right direction. 7 day average of 418, hospitalized 380, ICU 109. Those are all best figures since early August.

Rollout of the pediatric vaccine starts today and so the "% of eligible fully vaxed" number appears to have gone backwards, since 5-11 age group is now eligible. We were almost 87% before that reset; the number now is 80.9%.

 

[barkerfam]

Tomorrow, at the 600 bed regional hospital where I work as an orthopedic surgeon, all but 6 cases are being cancelled. Reason? Covid hospitalizations. Of these people who are hospitalized, >90% are unvaccinated.

What kind of cases are being cancelled? Cancer, heart, ortho, and everything else.

20 years of medical practice in this same hospital. Until this year, I have never had a case cancelled because of a full hospital. Now, we get an email the day before letting us know if we can proceed for the next day.

This is not political. This is a virus that continues to harm individuals.

From a medical perspective, the vaccines are safe and effective.

Please get vaccinated.

 

[Sharphooks]

Yes, some have medical reasons or medical doubts, but it seems like a lot of it is virtue signaling to the rest of their tribe....I spend time on a another boating website that piles of guys from Florida and Texas visit. Any time one of them admits to having gotten the vaxx, there’s a one paragraph write up of why they finally decided to get it, (usually because they had to travel somewhere where it was required) , but it was more like an apology, written so they wouldn’t offend other members of their anti-vaxx tribe.

It’s revolting reading all the reasons they come up with to justify having gotten vaxxed—-because never once do they say...I got the double jab to help protect those around me and keep people from clogging up hospitals..... it’s all about me....me....me...

 

[Deewar25]

pretty compelling to me! Europe data

 

[alumaman]

I joined this site to get fishing tips but now it's morphed into the lunatic fringe. Adios amigos, I'm done with it.

 

[wishiniwasfishin1]

I joined this site to get fishing tips but now it's morphed into the lunatic fringe. Adios amigos, I'm done with it.

You know you don’t have to look at this thread right?

 

[sly_karma]

Did you ever really expect that age group to be vaccinated when most all info indicates that covid would be very mild for them if anything at all?

But it goes well beyond just kids getting sick. I agree with you that kids mostly only get a mild set of symptoms, but they still act as a vector for the spread of the virus. Other family members can contract the virus from them, and then spread it to others at their school or workplace. Same mechanism that spreads colds through communities every winter, but Delta at the least lands you on your butt for 2 weeks, all the way up to killing you.

Right through the pandemic, the public health system has been asking us to help slow the spread of Covid 19. Vaccinating younger kids is a simple way to help slow things down. If tens of thousands of people are sick at the same time, there are huge economic problems as well as health system chaos. How does the public sector and private industry function if a big slab of the work force is off work at once? We have serious labour shortages already. Even worse then if some food and medication delivery trucks are sitting idle because drivers are sick or isolating, or fire, ambulance and police running short for same reason, and on it goes. The BC strategy has never been "Covid zero", it has been slowing it down to keep the community from collapse. It hasn't been perfect, but it has generally worked.

 

[Admin]

I joined this site to get fishing tips but now it's morphed into the lunatic fringe. Adios amigos, I'm done with it.

This is the reason we restricted Covid to one thread. I have tried a couple of gentle posts to try and back off the useless rhetoric. I have cleaned this thread up one last time. The next posts that serve only to stir the pot will result in bans. Done.

 

[sly_karma]

You know you don’t have to look at this thread right?

I've left it alone a few times myself. Can't control what others post, but my responses are entirely up to me. And sometimes the best response is no response.

 

[Thunder21]

Wait what? FDA wants 55 years to process FOIA request over vaccine data

Freedom of Information Act requests are rarely speedy, but when a group of scientists asked the federal government to share the data it relied upon in licensing Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine, the response went beyond typical bureaucratic foot-dragging.

www.reuters.com

 

[pdfish]

Wait what? FDA wants 55 years to process FOIA request over vaccine data

Freedom of Information Act requests are rarely speedy, but when a group of scientists asked the federal government to share the data it relied upon in licensing Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine, the response went beyond typical bureaucratic foot-dragging.

www.reuters.com

Did you actually read the article? If so, what was your takeaway?

 

[baddogg]

I joined this site to get fishing tips but now it's morphed into the lunatic fringe. Adios amigos, I'm done with it.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Like wishiniwasfishin said, You know you don't have to look at this thread right? There is a lot of stuff I don't look at. It's kind of like reading the paper, read what you want.

 

[wishiniwasfishin1]

Did you actually read the article? If so, what was your takeaway?

Can I try? It took 108 days for the FDA to approve the vaccine. And it will take more than 50 years to prepare FOI documents that are supposed to be prepared in 20 days, but vary based on complexity. For reasons. The FOI exists to ensure transparency.
there are lots of pages to go through and a judge in Texas will decide which is likely a good thing.

What did you get out of the article? Pfizer shouldn’t have to disclose because trade secrets? Or that the doctors who want to review can’t process the information properly?

 

[Thunder21]

Thanks for the reminder to read the article. I was in the middle of preparing my most recent flat earth presentation and forgot .

“The entire purpose of the FOIA is to assure government transparency,” they continued. “It is difficult to imagine a greater need for transparency than immediate disclosure of the documents relied upon by the FDA to license a product that is now being mandated to over 100 million Americans under penalty of losing their careers, their income, their military service status, and far worse.”

This is the part of the article I agree with.

I don’t believe these companies are trustworthy. So I think we should have access to all information regarding the vaccines.

 

[OldBlackDog]

Remember, always follow the money.

 

[pdfish]

Can I try? It took 108 days for the FDA to approve the vaccine. And it will take more than 50 years to prepare FOI documents that are supposed to be prepared in 20 days, but vary based on complexity. For reasons. The FOI exists to ensure transparency.
there are lots of pages to go through and a judge in Texas will decide which is likely a good thing.

What did you get out of the article? Pfizer shouldn’t have to disclose because trade secrets? Or that the doctors who want to review can’t process the information properly?

While I agree that 55 years is ridiculous (and I’m fairly certain they will be ordered to produce it at some point next year), there are 329,000 pages to go thru.

I also don’t think it’s going to have the consequences you think it will. From the article:

The plaintiffs, a group of more than 30 professors and scientists from universities including Yale, Harvard, UCLA and Brown, filed suit in September in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, seeking expedited access to the records. They say that releasing the information could help reassure vaccine skeptics that the shot is indeed “safe and effective and, thus, increase confidence in the Pfizer vaccine.”

 

[wishiniwasfishin1]

While I agree that 55 years is ridiculous (and I’m fairly certain they will be ordered to produce it at some point next year), there are 329,000 pages to go thru.

I also don’t think it’s going to have the consequences you think it will. From the article:

The plaintiffs, a group of more than 30 professors and scientists from universities including Yale, Harvard, UCLA and Brown, filed suit in September in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, seeking expedited access to the records. They say that releasing the information could help reassure vaccine skeptics that the shot is indeed “safe and effective and, thus, increase confidence in the Pfizer vaccine.”

Not sure how you know what consequences I think the release of the information will bring. I’m by no means anti vaccine but try to listen to whatever information is available and ask questions as I go.
Not allowing the vaccine documentation to be studied for 50 years is a major red flag.
Lets hope the information is released and studied and everyone is happy with the independent analysis. Wouldn’t you like independent study? And if not why not when all these doctors from top institutions want to take a look?
Is their science not trustworthy?
Also nice job highlighting!
I’m not sure you highlighted the most important parts of the article tho.

 

[Thunder21]

While I agree that 55 years is ridiculous (and I’m fairly certain they will be ordered to produce it at some point next year), there are 329,000 pages to go thru.

I also don’t think it’s going to have the consequences you think it will. From the article:

The plaintiffs, a group of more than 30 professors and scientists from universities including Yale, Harvard, UCLA and Brown, filed suit in September in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, seeking expedited access to the records. They say that releasing the information could help reassure vaccine skeptics that the shot is indeed “safe and effective and, thus, increase confidence in the Pfizer vaccine.”

If you are implying I think it’ll convince more people to get this vaccine , I don’t think it will . Whoever doesn’t have it at this point likely won’t . I’ve seen around 6 people this week walk away from 150-200k per year positions over it.

 

[pdfish]

Not sure how you know what consequences I think the release of the information will bring. I’m by no means anti vaccine but try to listen to whatever information is available and ask questions as I go.
Not allowing the vaccine documentation to be studied for 50 years is a major red flag.
Lets hope the information is released and studied and everyone is happy with the independent analysis. Wouldn’t you like independent study? And if not why not when all these doctors from top institutions want to take a look?
Is their science not trustworthy?
Also nice job highlighting!
I’m not sure you highlighted the most important parts of the article tho.

Since you liked the highlighting so much, I did it again for ya. Lol
Of course I welcome an independent study, but if you think there’s going to be some earth shattering revelation coming from it, prepare to be disappointed.

 

[pdfish]

If you are implying I think it’ll convince more people to get this vaccine , I don’t think it will . Whoever doesn’t have it at this point likely won’t . I’ve seen around 6 people this week walk away from 150-200k per year positions over it.

Wasn’t implying that at all.
Where do I send my resume?