You guys ( and gals) can't have any more halibut.....

Discussion in 'Conservation, Fishery Politics and Management.' started by Cuba Libre, Sep 8, 2014.

  1. Cuba Libre

    Cuba Libre Well-Known Member

    Mr. George Wilson
    B.C. Wildlife Federation
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    Dear Mr. Wilson:

    Thank you for your correspondence of July 23, 2014, regarding the
    recreational allocation of Pacific halibut. I am pleased to note your
    support for my ministerial authority over the allocation of fishery

    For the halibut fishery in British Columbia, Fisheries and Oceans Canada
    (DFO) allocates access among the recreational, commercial and First Nations
    sectors through an integrated fisheries planning process that involves all
    fishing sectors. Allocation decisions incorporate legal requirements,
    treaty agreements and Aboriginal rights, as well as the equitable use of the
    resource. In all cases, the Department's first priority is to manage
    fisheries in a manner that ensures the conservation and sustainable use of
    fish stocks, while also creating economic and social benefits for Canadians.

    The allocation of Pacific halibut among recreational and commercial users
    has been the subject of extensive consultation and analysis for many years,
    and DFO has given careful consideration to these consultations and analyses
    when making halibut allocation decisions.

    In 2012, when my predecessor, the Honourable Keith Ashfield, announced the
    change to the commercial-recreational halibut allocation formula, he
    emphasized the importance of providing greater long-term certainty in the
    Pacific halibut fishery for First Nations, commercial and recreational
    harvesters, and, most importantly, encouraging jobs and economic growth in
    British Columbia. He also indicated that the revised allocation formula
    struck a fair balance between the sectors and established a stable
    environment for the future. As such, there are no plans to alter the
    existing allocation formula, which allocates 85 percent of the resource to
    the commercial sector and 15 percent to the recreational sector.

    It is also worth noting that declining abundance of Pacific halibut in
    recent years has resulted in fewer halibut for all sectors to harvest.
    Canada's Total Allowable Catch (TAC) for 2014 is 6.85 million pounds, down
    from a high in 2006 when the TAC was 13.2 million pounds.

    The experimental recreational halibut licence, which allows recreational
    harvesters to lease Pacific halibut quota from commercial harvesters based
    on market value, remains available to anglers and businesses interested in
    additional fishing opportunities. This mechanism offers economic stability
    for the recreational fisheries and the coastal communities that benefit from
    angler contributions.

    I appreciate the input provided by the B.C. Wildlife Federation through the
    International Pacific Halibut Commission Conference Board and the Sport
    Fishing Advisory Board (SFAB). As you are aware, our collective objective
    is to ensure that the recreational fishery remains open for the longest
    season possible, while staying within its allocation. Drawing on advice
    from the SFAB, DFO adjusted its management measures this year to support
    this objective.

    Thank you for your support and for sharing your views about this important

    Yours sincerely,

    Original Signed by

    Gail Shea, P.C., M.P.
    Ministerial Correspondence Control Unit Fisheries and Oceans Canada /
    Government of Canada
  2. SpringVelocity

    SpringVelocity Well-Known Member

    Are you Serious!:mad:
  3. Gunsmith

    Gunsmith Well-Known Member

    Gail Shea is a useless piece of work, must be related to Alison Redford.
  4. agentaqua

    agentaqua Well-Known Member

    She is a proponent for the open net-cage lobby.
  5. Karma-Kazi

    Karma-Kazi Active Member

    WOW just WOW...
  6. SerengetiGuide

    SerengetiGuide Well-Known Member

    But in 2015 the whole plan was we were going to get more because it's an election year bla bla bla. Told you so...
  7. fshnfnatic

    fshnfnatic Well-Known Member

    What a piece of human excrement she is.Not a frickin' clue!
  8. seadna

    seadna Well-Known Member

    This is where the argument that the recreational harvest generates more $'s/lb of fish should come in. E.g if "the Department's first priority is to manage fisheries in a manner that ensures the conservation and sustainable use of fish stocks, while also creating economic and social benefits for Canadians", then the economics of the TAC allocation needs to be considered. Due to our inefficient methods of harvest and our large expenditures on other items (food, housing etc) while fishing, the recreational sector generates far more $ per pound of fish harvested than the commercial sector. If the goal is to also created economic and social benefits for Canadians, the recreational sector TAC should increase. Also, when Gail states "He also indicated that the revised allocation formula struck a fair balance between the sectors and established a stable environment for the future" one must ask two questions:
    1) Why is she pawning the decision/rationale off on her predecessor? E.g. she should take responsibility for what happens now. Explaining that the predecessor made this decision is a weak and squirrely way of not taking responsibilty.
    2) By what metric is this formula a "fair balance"? This should be rational metric not simply a statement of apparent fact with no rationale to back it up.
  9. Gunsmith

    Gunsmith Well-Known Member

    Gail Shea apparently comes from a family of commercial fishers, so you know what way she would lean. There is not much recreational fishing on the east coast.
  10. vic-tory

    vic-tory Guest

    Heard the amount of quota used went up again this year...when will sfab learn in order to get more %, experimental has to fail, but experimental does much better with size limits than shorter season...hmmm...think about it!!!!
  11. Cuba Libre

    Cuba Libre Well-Known Member

    The "experimental" halibut fishery has been opposed since day one by the SFAB-- maybe YOU should think about it............ Just curious.. have you written a letter to Minister Shea's office letting her know that you feel we are getting screwed??? Well, I have -- but one voice does not count for squat..... we need ALL halibut fishermen to get off their butts ( no pun intended) and keep the pressure on her office.

    ( I hope you have written to her-- if so, good on you. If not, use your time more productively and get the message to those who need to hear our frustration)

    Thus endith the sermon.......
  12. vic-tory

    vic-tory Guest

    Have wrote a letter. And I'm aware they're against it but their actions are ensuring more and more gets used hurting sport fishing in the long run
  13. GDW

    GDW Active Member

    Where are these numbers you speak of victory? The "experimental" is here to stay. But its not SFAB that's causing people to go use it. its greed that would still be present with or without a slot limit.

    A short season with big fish like your hoping for creates other problems and will un do our recent great progress. We went from a 6 month season of 1 per day to an 11 month season with 4 months of two per day in just two years of the new slot sizes. Not to mention both the lower and upper slot increased.

    Stay the course finally regs have been getting better each year instead of worse we are moving in the right direction for a change. Nothing will make everyone happy but its about giving everyone an opportunity and I don't think anyone can say they don't have a chance at a halibut if they want one - unless the only time you can come is January - when its never been open.
  14. Tips Up

    Tips Up Well-Known Member

    How many years old is this "experimental" halibut quota.
    When does it become "failed experiment"?
    What does it take to become a "failed experiment" ?
  15. SpringVelocity

    SpringVelocity Well-Known Member

    X2..thanks gdw that was a fair comment and sums it up...
  16. SerengetiGuide

    SerengetiGuide Well-Known Member

    Quick look at amount of quota purchased over past 4-5 years it has been implemented shows a substantial increase when slot is in GDW, compared to shorter season, so one part of your above post is untrue. That's just fact. "Great" progress...come on now. I guess 220k to 120-130k left in water is progress....."great" is certainly an overstatement.
  17. ziggy

    ziggy Well-Known Member

    Where are the numbers for quota purchased published ? Just curious.
  18. GDW

    GDW Active Member

    quota purchase may be up but I don't know 1 person who bought quota - do you?

    We need to be careful I wouldn't be surprised if an outfit with ties to the commercial industry buys quota to support the program/show it works. Kind of like how if there are canucks tickets available ownership buys them out to advertise another sellout! Meanwhile there are empty seats all over.

    So if quota purchase is up whose buying it? Recreational fishermen or commercial business? We need more facts before trying to use the data to make changes. AND if some rec fishers are buying it does that mean we should all change the regs to try to prevent them from buying it? I don't think so... The program will never go away even if nobody buys quota for years it will remain. its far from a success, everyone hates it yet it remains because DFO wants it there so they don't have to answer allocation questions anymore.

    Post the link that shows quota purchased this season please I'm surprised that data is even out. I doubt its accurate because you can reconcile your books later to purchase the correct amount or return your un-used portion.

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