Wonder why you didn't get any Crabs today ...we caught a poachers.

Discussion in 'Saltwater Fishing Forum' started by gokart, Feb 17, 2020.

  1. samba123

    samba123 New Member

    Sorry if this tainted your day out on the water... I've had a few encounters over the years with people pulling my traps.... most of the times I am not fortunate enough to catch them.. I don't think I'd be ask forgiving as you... But interestingly enough, the 2 times that I caught someone red handed it has been a Caucasian group(1 dad with 2 young kids) and 3 thirty something guys on a 19ft hewescraft. Bay all means, I am not suggesting any bad intentions or anything of that nature from your post.. but not sure why you needed to identify that it was an Asian Family. Would you have identified them as "We caught this Caucasian family" if they were of European origin? They are crooks, low-lifes and scumbags … and yes they also happen to be Asian.

    The reason I point this out is that I have a few close Asian friends and they are my close fishing buddies.... Our fishing group has always adhered to the rules and laws from the fishing regulations. They have respect for our resources, volunteer their time during past years with salmon conversation programs but there is definitely a negative sterotype towards Asians with regards to breaking the rules. Some of that is warranted and I understand that and so do they. In fact, they have scolded a few people of Asian background when we happen to stumble on someone trying to cheat the system when we have gone for walks on a pier that is popular for crabbing. A few years back, my fishing buddies were enjoying a nice summer day with their family and friends... They were having a BBQ and picnic near a park that had access to a pier. They had 2 crab traps in the water and where in the middle of a conversation when 2 guys approached them and starting talking to them... asked them how the crabbing was.. My buddies responded with telling them so far they had 2 keepers.. They then said can we have a look? At which point one of my guys opens the cooler up and with the other hand pulls out a crab measuring gauge and starts measuring the 2 crabs to ensure it was legal. Let's just say it wasn't a very pleasant experience for my friends and it took great efforts for them to restrain themselves from kicking the shit out of the 2 guys. The 2 guys walked straight past another 3 non-Asian crabbers without inspecting their catch. It was not a good experience for them as they were racially profiled... assumed to be guilty and treated like crooks...

    Gokart, I am sincere in stressing that I am in NO way pointing any fingers or accussing you of anything with your post. I trust you are a standup person. My point is we just need to make sure we are sensitive in our communications so that we dont' unintentionally propagate negative sterotypes against certain groups of people because while there are crooks and scumbags who happen to be Asian, there are scumbags from all corners of the world.

    I will take responsibility that I am ALSO guilty of the same.... As an avid angler(more so with rivers and lakes and more recently turned to the salt) I am familiar with the negative stereotypes us anglers have towards commercial fishermen and First Nations.... I have been guilty in painting good people from those 2 groups with the same paint brush and have more recently been more careful in my approach and communications because I've met some very good people who happen to be commercial and/or First Nations as well and have come across shady people from the same 2 groups.
     
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  2. gokart

    gokart Member

    To answer you quickly, yes if the ppl stilling the crabs happen to be Caucasian I will describe them that way . I don’t see any problem to identify them so other ppl can keep eye on them. Btw my wife is Asian so there is nothing racism in my post .
     
  3. ziggy

    ziggy Well-Known Member

    Very hard to describe people, who you feel may be serial poachers and are warning folks to look out for in our political correct society. If you use race you’re racist, it you use male or female, you’re sexist, young or old you’re ageist. Sadly reporting people as “bad people” doesn’t really help. In fact one of the few descriptions that seems exempt from the rules is “old white man (or boomer)”, now why is that? Lol
     
  4. spring time

    spring time Well-Known Member

    I would report it to the Vancouver police marine squad. They have a boat or two and more money than dfo does.
     
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  5. Slabbedout

    Slabbedout Active Member

    Seriously there are pirates everywhere on and off the water. Photos and reporting may help but it’s pretty hard for rcmp or dfo to track someone down based on the BC # if they never registered the boat to them. If we all just assume that everyone out there plays by the same rules that we do and treat each other the way we would want to be treated then shame on us for being so naive.

    Best bet is to do as you have done, report and inform as many as possible to watch for this boat and operator.
     
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  7. mikeyman

    mikeyman Active Member

    Reporting is best way. Always people say I going to throw shit at them. Break a window kick their ass whatever. Go for it. The poacher will go away free and you will get criminally charged. Ya let's get violent on water. Good combo. Assault. Maybe even manslaughter over a crab. Just saying don't do anything stupid go thru correct Avenue. I hate getting pots raided. But hey honest responses here who here has never in thier life pulled a trap that wasn't theirs? Come on be honest. They don't give a damn about someone having thier pot pulled. Over limit or under sized maybe. But resources aren't there to enforce it. Loosing battle. My stainless traps I sit on. When I fish I get cheap fold up one's and leave them. Zap strap em shut so I know if they been raided. Oh if u raid em atleast re bait them so I might get atleast a few.
     
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  8. Corey_lax

    Corey_lax Well-Known Member

    I have never pulled a trap that wasn’t mine. That’s ridiculous that you would imply that we all make mistakes and pull pots that aren’t our own.
     
  9. Zuktaylor

    Zuktaylor New Member

    Me neither, I'm capable of reading my own name
     
  10. triplenickel

    triplenickel Well-Known Member

    Anyone who can’t read their own name please raise your hand.
     
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  11. 1marko

    1marko Active Member

    And how do you legally " zip tie"
    A trap shut...?
     
  12. finaddict

    finaddict Well-Known Member

    Yep I have done the same as well. They all get real nervous, look the other way, pretend you are not even there. Glad to know they have disappeared for now.
     
  13. Rockfish

    Rockfish Well-Known Member

    If it is a standard commercial style trap with a hinged half lid on top there is a thick rubber band spring loaded rot cord with a plastic hook on the other end with an eye in the plastic hook that the rot cord attaches to. When it is stretched tight over the half lid, the hook is attached to the wire mesh on the top of the trap holding the lid down under pressure caused by the rubber band on the other end of the rot cord. To zip tie it, you place a zip tie through the eye of the hook and around a couple of the stainless mesh wires that is over the frame of the trap. Should the trap be lost on the bottom, the rot cord is not interfered with by the zip tie and when it rots through the lid will be free to open, thus making it legal. If the zip tie is missing when you pull your trap it tells you that the trap was pulled, the zip tie cut and the trap lid opened and then closed again without being zip tied. You could also of course cut the rot cord or the rubber band. PS the rubber bands look to my eye like they are made out of cut up inner tubes.
     
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  14. Aw-Crap

    Aw-Crap New Member


    I would have turn them in in a hart beat.
     
  15. fishbadger

    fishbadger Active Member

    Wow, not only are they thieving bastards, but by the looks of that boat, they have a hard time driving near the dock too!

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  16. Gungho

    Gungho Member

    I sure hope I never catch someone poaching my traps
    I'd be doing time, I made a note of BC # and will report if I see
     
  17. capman

    capman Member

    I'm so glad we are talking about the bastards poachers. I have witnessed and approached boats in act of pulling my traps out of the water despite the fact that my name was very obvious on each trap. The poachers were from different backgrounds. One was full of young caucasian guys and the other 2 times Asian with kids inside. Not the same boat as was posted and unfortunately I did not get a chance to take pictures of the boats.
     
  18. Gear'n'beer!

    Gear'n'beer! Well-Known Member

    It's really a shame you can't just leave prawn and crab traps and expect them to be unmolested. The expectation is now that it's at least about a 50% chance they will be checked if left overnight in my area anyway, and that's just pretty frickin' sad. I rarely use my traps for this exact reason.
     
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  19. Kristo

    Kristo Active Member

    I'm quite certain one of my traps was pulled by the crew on on of the freighters in the harbour today ...they did however leave 1 crab in it which happened to be legal size.
     
  20. mayday

    mayday Active Member

    okaaay, i'll bite - i'm struggling to picture this this - seems like they'd need quite a long boat hook to reach the float/water?
     
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