When Fox is in Charge of Hen House! DFO let's BC Hydro continue to kill salmon and steelhead!

cohochinook

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BC Hydro tries to justify their killing of salmon and steelhead in the Cheakamus River:
https://www.squamishchief.com/news/...Ik95EbKG5GdVGalhpVpigt7Wdbpz8GWu8TzKeDit2hXRk


BC Hydro is killing not just a couple 100 salmon or steelhead with their ramping of the Cheakamus River, but 1000's! Even their own biologists have documented it and they continue to justify it. When they drop the river by 50% in less than a day, what do you think is going to happen! You don't need to be a scientist to know that it will result in fry stranding, redd dewatering, and even adult spawning mortalities as we saw this summer with the pink salmon in the Cheakamus.

Even the Mayor of Squamish has spoken out:
https://www.squamishchief.com/opini...urce=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles


What's even more infuriating is the DFO representative in charge of Water Use Plan has said some very supportive and shocking things (like that salvage and recontouring are viable alternatives) that are not supported by science. DFO has just sat back and let BC Hydro kill more steelhead and salmon. They have failed to live up to their mandate to protect salmon and even been complacent in letting these fish kills happen! They're content to sit back and let the fox rule the hen house!
 
The NDP goverment is incharge of BC hydro I would not waste my time with DFO. Horrible Horgan should deal with this BS.

I don't understand how ramping down can be tricky, just take more time to do it with greater flows.

Oh wait could they be trying to save that water so they can sell it for power instead? hmmmmm

I don't understand how the NDP seems to be able to wash their hands of these issues if the Liberals were in power everyone would be saying what a disaster they are for the environment. Seems like a bit of a double standard going on.
 
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The NDP goverment is incharge of BC hydro I would not waste my time with DFO. Horrible Horgan should deal with this BS.

I don't understand how ramping down can be tricky, just take more time to do it with greater flows.

Oh wait could they be trying to save that water so they can sell it for power instead? hmmmmm

I don't understand how the NDP seems to be able to wash their hands of these issues if the Liberals were in power everyone would be saying what a disaster they are for the environment. Seems like a bit of a double standard going on.
I don't think this issue just started in the last two years with the NDP. You cannot let the Fox be in chatge of the Henhouse but like in everything else the bureaucrats involved are so entrenched it takes a concerted effort and some firm will to get them to understand what the priorities are (i.e. the rivers ecosystem) supposed to be. The eyes get clouded while drinking the wine and nibbling the cheese then when the time comes to make the right decisions they forget who they are there for. Human nature seems to always follow the cash even to our eventual demise.
 
I don't think this issue just started in the last two years with the NDP. You cannot let the Fox be in chatge of the Henhouse but like in everything else the bureaucrats involved are so entrenched it takes a concerted effort and some firm will to get them to understand what the priorities are (i.e. the rivers ecosystem) supposed to be. The eyes get clouded while drinking the wine and nibbling the cheese then when the time comes to make the right decisions they forget who they are there for. Human nature seems to always follow the cash even to our eventual demise.

People criticized the Liberal goverment for defending these types of environmental actions they were in charge of. Why does the NDP and green coalition get a free pass on environmental issues? We can ban grizzly bear hunting with a stroke of a pen and they could easily reform BC hydro with the same pen.

If anything the Green/NDP goverment is expected to be on top of issues like these or we might as well have a liberal goverment.
 
People criticized the Liberal goverment for defending these types of environmental actions they were in charge of. Why does the NDP and green coalition get a free pass on environmental issues? We can ban grizzly bear hunting with a stroke of a pen and they could easily reform BC hydro with the same pen.

If anything the Green/NDP goverment is expected to be on top of issues like these or we might as well have a liberal goverment.
This issue is on the radar and being looked at by various stakeholders. It's the implementation that is lacking at this point. https://www.bchydro.com/about/sustainability/conservation/water_use_planning.html
 
Part of the problem is previous governments agreed to legally binding documents that cannot as you suggest be reformed with a stroke of the pen, The bureaucrats have to a greater degree bound the current government's hand. http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/wsd/water_rights/scanned_lic_dir/110000-112499/110107/Cheakamus order.pdf

ITs called an amendment they happen all the time and its well within the NDP's power to make it. They just have to have the will to care about the environment .
 
ITs called an amendment they happen all the time and its well within the NDP's power to make it. They just have to have the will to care about the environment .
Not quite that simple from a legal perspective. Remember how the Liberal government ripping up the teachers Collective Agreement ended afterv millions of wasted taxpayer money spent on legal costs. The dropping of river levels were certainly discussed and no concensus agreement was achieved but ultimately deemed secondary to maximizing profits for BC Hydro. https://www.bchydro.com/content/dam...inland/Cheakamus-WUP-CC-Rpt-ISBN-20020501.pdf
 
Not quite that simple from a legal perspective. Remember how the Liberal government ripping up the teachers Collective Agreement ended afterv millions of wasted taxpayer money spent on legal costs. The dropping of river levels were certainly discussed and no concensus agreement was achieved but ultimately deemed secondary to maximizing profits for BC Hydro. https://www.bchydro.com/content/dam...inland/Cheakamus-WUP-CC-Rpt-ISBN-20020501.pdf

Who is going to sue the goverment BC hydro?? BC hydro is a crown corporation they can change how they do things tomorrow. Really it's that simple, They just have to make it a Priority.

It's just excuses at this point for the purpose of profit.
 
Didn't go very well. Supreme Court overuled costing ICBC 400 million dollars. https://vancouversun.com/news/polit...allenge-on-expert-report-limits-in-icbc-cases

Christopher E. Hinkson is a redneck that was appointed by Harper. Are you really surprised that he ruled so Lawyers could make more money?

"November 8, 2013

  • PM announces British Columbia Judicial appointment

    Prime Minister Stephen Harper today announced the following appointment: The Honourable Christopher E. Hinkson, a judge of the Court of Appeal for British Columbia, is appointed Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of British Columbia. Mr. Justice Hinkson will replace Mr. Justice Robert J. Bauman, who was appointed Chief Justice of British Columbia on June 7, 2013.
    "
 
Christopher E. Hinkson is a redneck that was appointed by Harper. Are you really surprised that he ruled so Lawyers could make more money?

"November 8, 2013

  • PM announces British Columbia Judicial appointment

    Prime Minister Stephen Harper today announced the following appointment: The Honourable Christopher E. Hinkson, a judge of the Court of Appeal for British Columbia, is appointed Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of British Columbia. Mr. Justice Hinkson will replace Mr. Justice Robert J. Bauman, who was appointed Chief Justice of British Columbia on June 7, 2013.
    "
Those are the bureaucrats I was refering to at post #3 and #7 that seem to have more say than the government of the day.
 
True but I don't see a valid reason for interference with BC hydro, Unless of course you think there is a case for a public body to sue. It would be an odd lawsuit tho as essentially you would be arguing that the cost to consumers is more important than fish in the system. That even if there is an actually cost to BC hydro for them changing the ramping to be more favourable to fish.
 
BC Hydro tries to justify their killing of salmon and steelhead in the Cheakamus River:
https://www.squamishchief.com/news/...Ik95EbKG5GdVGalhpVpigt7Wdbpz8GWu8TzKeDit2hXRk


BC Hydro is killing not just a couple 100 salmon or steelhead with their ramping of the Cheakamus River, but 1000's! Even their own biologists have documented it and they continue to justify it. When they drop the river by 50% in less than a day, what do you think is going to happen! You don't need to be a scientist to know that it will result in fry stranding, redd dewatering, and even adult spawning mortalities as we saw this summer with the pink salmon in the Cheakamus.

Even the Mayor of Squamish has spoken out:
https://www.squamishchief.com/opini...urce=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles


What's even more infuriating is the DFO representative in charge of Water Use Plan has said some very supportive and shocking things (like that salvage and recontouring are viable alternatives) that are not supported by science. DFO has just sat back and let BC Hydro kill more steelhead and salmon. They have failed to live up to their mandate to protect salmon and even been complacent in letting these fish kills happen! They're content to sit back and let the fox rule the hen house!


This is your problem, and you can blame previous BC liberal government. They put a process in place already to compensate with effect of the dams. Please read this website. Link below. Your fighting the Province not DFO.


The Fish & Wildlife Compensation Program (FWCP) is a partnership between BC Hydro, the Province of B.C, Fisheries and Oceans Canada, First Nations, and Public Stakeholders to conserve and enhance fish and wildlife in watersheds impacted by existing BC Hydro dams.


http://fwcp.ca/apply-for-funding/
 
Nov 9, 2012

New model for Fish & Wildlife Compensation Program


CASTLEGAR — After extensive stakeholder and First Nations engagement during the spring and summer of 2012, followed by a thorough analysis of the shortlisted options, the Fish and Wildlife Compensation Program (FWCP) steering committee in the Columbia region is ready to roll out the new delivery model.

The model aims to strengthen the program’s regional independence and decision‐making, while retaining strong links with the program partners.

“We really tried to get the best of both worlds,” say FWCP public representatives Dave White and Rick Morley. “Stakeholders and First Nations told us they wanted more regional decision‐making, and the steering committee truly believes that the new model will achieve this while retaining close links to the partners so that the FWCP can benefit from their considerable in‐kind support, such as legal, contracting and administration services.”

The three program partners behind the FWCP in the Columbia region are BC Hydro, the Province of B.C. and Fisheries and Oceans Canada.

A stronger, more regionally‐focused board will replace the current steering committee structure.The same people who have been guiding this process and working towards this new model will continue on as board members and, over the course of the next 12 months, will work with the program partners towards renewing the governance documents. These documents detail a variety of operational aspects including reporting relationships, roles and responsibilities, representation on technical and steering committees, and communications.

There will also be a designated level funding for project applications from environmental groups, community organizations, stakeholders, and First Nations.

To ensure the right resources are available to deliver a wide range of conservation and enhancement projects, the FWCP will use a mix of contracts and contribution agreements – both short and long‐term. For smooth continuity of the program, the FWCP plans to enter into a long term agreement with the Province of B.C. to use a variety of resources, including contractors and staff, to deliver core FWCP projects.

This arrangement has several advantages, including being able to share knowledge and information with the Province of B.C., ease permitting, reduce overheads, and allow stakeholders and public to continue to have access to biologists.

The Compensation Program conserves and enhances fish and wildlife, and their supporting habitats, affected by the creation of BC Hydro‐owned and operated generation facilities. BC Hydro invests approximately $4.5 million in the program each year in the Columbia region. For more information visit fwcp.ca.

“I am looking forward to the new model being implemented on April 1, 2013,” said FWCP‐Columbia program manager Trevor Oussoren. “The steering committee has worked hard to get us to this point, and their efforts will be reflected in a robust, and more regionally independent, Compensation Program.”

BACKGROUND

The Fish and Wildlife Compensation Program (FWCP) is a joint partnership between BC Hydro, the Province of B.C. and Fisheries and Oceans Canada, in collaboration with First Nations, local governments, community organizations and environmental groups.

The Steering Committee (now the Board) for the – Columbia (FWCP) has undertaken extensive stakeholder and First Nations engagement to seek input on a new delivery model and governance structure for its conservation and enhancement work carried out in the Columbia Basin. The new model was finalized on November 1, 2012, to be implemented by April 1, 2013.

Conservation and enhancement projects have not been interrupted since the announcement BC Hydro staffing reductions in October 2011, and BC Hydro remains committed to meeting its obligations to compensation for fish and wildlife impacted by construction of BC Hydro dams in the Columbia Basin.

BC Hydro’s annual funding commitment, current $4.5 million, is a requirement of its water licence.

Following staffing reductions within BC Hydro that affected FWCP staff, work began to find a new model to continue delivering FWCP projects without having FWCP staff biologists within BC Hydro.

Through the FWCP, BC Hydro invests more than $4.5 million each year in the Columbia region in support of conservation and restoration of fish, wildlife and their habitats. BC Hydro and its partners have invested more than $67 million in 700 projects since 1995 that conserve and enhance fish, wildlife and their supporting habitats in areas affected by BC Hydro’s facilities in the Columbia region. BC Hydro is committed to continuing that investment in the environment.

The Fish and Wildlife Compensation Program (FWCP) has confirmed its $4.5 million budget and key projects for 2012‐2013 in the Columbia Region. Funds are provided through BC Hydro, and managed in a partnership with the Province of British Columbia and Fisheries and Oceans Canada, in collaboration with First Nations, and public representatives.
 
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