what happened to the cowichan river thread?

FISH TIME...if your new as I was fishing back on the island for about 20 years, I ran into Gord from COWICHAN LAKE FLY AND TACKLE, he has the scoop on the Cowichan area for fishing, the regulations are posted all over so go out and enjoy the river but fish it legal.....

ITS OUR PASSION TO FISH AND GET OUT OF DOORS...PLEASE...FISH LEGAL OR GET OFF THE RIVER!
 
I have an idea why it got flushed. Maybe a little bit too much info given out (I read the first couple of replies). Anyhow I hooked and landed a 3-4 lb rainbow which really surprised me because all of the other trout I've caught (besides browns) have been 16 inches or less and lots of them. I'm not really new to the Cowichan, I've floated it a few times and have hiked the s#%t out of its banks:D Anyhow, hopefully it stays fishable for the next month or four.
 
Easy LC some threads need some babysitting. But not impressed with you locking down Nanaimo thread because some guy tells you too. He basically didn't like what he was hearing.. Let the boys work it out.
 
LC
If it turns into a brawl, just flip the thread over to the Conservation, Politics section and let the boys have at it.
Maybe sockeyefry et al will get involved there and all can carry on out of sight.
Just a thought.
 
summer steel ran your decision.He was the one making the garbage calls.and that chromesweetchrome.
I thought this was a classier place than whats goign on with moderation.
Mods gotta see past the real garbage.
[V]
Nothing dealt with in regards to the real B.C. fisheries problems and getting along with all sides=failure
This is a perfect place to deal with and talk about our fisheries and and have some say from all sides.
But I guess not.
Pissed off and saying let the nets out ,be ignorant to ignorance!!!!!!!we all lose.
Can't talk here,then whatever.....whatever.
That was a rant,not an order of charge.
But a ignorant way of thinking.
I expressed the way some of my workmates from rez's up renfrew way think.This is the real world.not an interet dribble fantasy.No one wins.we all lose.[xx(]
Ya,my lil coho was such a problem.[V]
 
I agree that the forum should be a place to discuss these issues and I am disappointed that the thread was closed. I think the real problem is some of the members being unable to discuss an issue in a mature way. I too received an email from ChromeSweetChrome calling me a **** stain and I think this is sad.

It's important to remember that SS and the boys represent a very small percentage of the anglers out there. Most of the serious anglers in our province practice catch and release and have a high level of ethics. Riding around in a jetboat and taking your limit every time you are out is considered unethical by most serious fishermen. And then to accuse others of poor fish handling and preach about conservation is a farce. If everyone fished like these guys we would not have the quality fisheries we do today.

And then when I posted about the negative aspects of hatchery mass production these same people call BS and bury their heads in the sand. There is a multitude of research out there that supports this and yet these people that claim to be educated and experienced reveal their ignorance yet again. It is a proven fact that wild steelhead are genetically superior to hatchery raised clones. One only has to visit the Skeena system to observe this.

Be careful what you believe and try to look at the big picture.

BL
 
Blackleech - perhaps this should move to another thread, but I'd really appreciate it if you could post a link or two that provides examples of the "facts" related to the genetic superiority of wild steelhead vs hatchery steelehad using the BC hatchery production model.

I've followed the issue pretty closely, and have yet to find the hard scientific evidence ("facts") that you claim to have.

Thanks, I'll look forward to reading the "hard facts"

Gooey.
 
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I agree that the forum should be a place to discuss these issues and I am disappointed that the thread was closed. I think the real problem is some of the members being unable to discuss an issue in a mature way.
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You're kidding me right?? In the whole thread, these were your only comments:


"That fish has a better chance of surviving than anything you catch summer steel!"


"I agree with you about the fish handling, and I also agree with the idea that the hatchery wants anglers to harvest the steelhead.

However, it's this hatchery put and take program that has caused the deterioration of the Stamp River fishery. If you talk to any fisheries biologist they will tell you that there really are no true wild steelhead in the Stamp system anymore. Natural spawning of wild fish with the hatchery clones has reduced genetic diversity to the point where even the wild fish are actually hatchery offspring.

What this means is that when the funding is cut to the Robertson Creek hatchery, which is highly likely over the next 5 years or so, the steelhead returns will likely diminish to the point of angling closure. Hatchery steelhead do not adapt well to environmental change, disease, etc. due to their lack of genetic diversity. You can say what you want about broodstock but when your broodstock is actually of hatchery origin then it makes no difference.

There is a reason why the Stamp is the only river on the island that is a put and take steelhead fishery - you have to sacrifice the virility and genetic diversity of the wild fish in order to make it happen. In other words, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

This being said, I agree with what others have said about preserving the integrity of the forum; but it's hard to resist taking shots when hardcore meat fishermen are preaching about fish handling skills.

Hatchet buried... for now."



This is YOUR idea of discussing issues in a mature way[?] You take cheap shots, make false accusations about me, parade out your ethical & moral platform about what YOU think everyone should conform to & make statements & claims without any facts to support them. In other words, all you have is your opinion,unsupported & uninformed that it might be, it is still all yours.



quote:It's important to remember that SS and the boys represent a very small percentage of the anglers out there. Most of the serious anglers in our province practice catch and release and have a high level of ethics. Riding around in a jetboat and taking your limit every time you are out is considered unethical by most serious fishermen. And then to accuse others of poor fish handling and preach about conservation is a farce. If everyone fished like these guys we would not have the quality fisheries we do today.
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So, if people aren't walking the shore with a fly rod practicing only C&R, then they aren't real fishermen with your high level of ethics huh?? Even if they are fishing a river like the Stamp where there are surplus hatchery salmon & steelhead put there for people to catch & keep. Funny, I don't see you complaining about all the people who target these fish in the saltwater & kill their limit every day. That is where most of these fish are harvested. Maybe they should only be allowed to chuck Mickey Finns from the rocky outcroppings on shore & have to release everything. It's no different with the Stamp steelhead, you even SAID, ""I agree with you about the fish handling, and I also agree with the idea that the hatchery wants anglers to harvest the steelhead", then you turn around 180 degrees & slam people for doing exactly what you agreed the fish were there for. Just a BIT hypocritical, don't ya think?? You are either a serious, highly ethical C&R only guy, or you DO agree with the put & take concept of hatchery fish & that these fish ARE there to be caught & kept. Which is it?? Please clarify your own statements so that we can put all this to rest & we won't have to listen to any more of it in the future.

As far as riding around in a jet boat goes, spare me your jealousy. Have you ever even fished the Stamp at this time of year?? There is practically no shore access due to the high & still rising with all this rain, water. Simple fact is, if you want to fish it right now, your best chance is in a boat, weather it be jet, drift or pontoon. I guess you NEVER see any boats up on any of the rivers on the Skeena system eh?? I guess all those guides up there must be, according to your high standards, unethical for using such a device. Maybe you should go & voice your concerns to them & see what happens.



quote:And then when I posted about the negative aspects of hatchery mass production these same people call BS and bury their heads in the sand. There is a multitude of research out there that supports this and yet these people that claim to be educated and experienced reveal their ignorance yet again. It is a proven fact that wild steelhead are genetically superior to hatchery raised clones. One only has to visit the Skeena system to observe this.
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You posted your opinion, unsubstantiated by any facts. Where is all this research you speak of?? Have you personally ever read any of it, or are you just passing along "things you over heard". I posted a link to the actual numbers of returning fish in Washington & Oregon State so far this year. That, along with good returns this year to the Stamp, Quinsam, Campbell, Little & Big Qualicums, Quatse, Cluxewe & Marble rivers, proves that hatchery programs DO work. They are not the be all end all fix it solution, but they DO have a place in fisheries management & have proven very successful on the south coast over the years. Without hatchery salmon, there would be no saltwater fishery, plain & simple.

Here is the link again for the updated numbers south of the border:

http://www.fpc.org/currentdaily/HistFishTwo_7day-ytd_Adults.htm
 
Maybe a goos solution to stop guys shooting off the mouths anonymously would be for us to put up our mugs to be accountable....
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ITS OUR PASSION TO FISH AND GET OUT OF DOORS...PLEASE...FISH LEGAL OR GET OFF THE RIVER!
 
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ITS OUR PASSION TO FISH AND GET OUT OF DOORS...PLEASE...FISH LEGAL OR GET OFF THE RIVER!
 
Here are a couple of quick reads:

http://voices.idahostatesman.com/20..._steelhead_are_inferior_spawners_and_hurt_wil

http://news.opb.org/article/5191-study-hatchery-raised-fish-hurt-wild-steelhead/

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/`Striking'+results+found+about+hatchery+steelhead.-a0204046507

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conte...rt00008?crawler=true&mimetype=application/pdf

If you start looking at journals and periodicals you will find all the hard stuff you need. Also if you look in this month's BC Outdoors there is an article by Jason Tonelli discussing the movement to prevent hatchery steelhead production on the Thompson river due to these concerns. As far as I know this stuff is common knowledge.

And you don't need scientific theory to say that there's something special about a wild steely (and I'm not talking about the Stamp bucks that have an adipose).
 
No hard facts in there whatsoever. One fact about steelhead however is that the rivers in B.C. that dont have hatcheries producing steelhead are in serious decline. Is it better to have a few wild steelies in a system slowly die off or raise hatchery fish? Simple to figure out.
 
OK BOYS, the post was about a trout caught on the Cowichan,the first question I had was it caught legal...on a fly and the second where and is that area fly fishing only or closed....

ITS OUR PASSION TO FISH AND GET OUT OF DOORS...PLEASE...FISH LEGAL OR GET OFF THE RIVER!
 
OK BOYS, the post was about a trout caught on the Cowichan,the first question I had was it caught legal...on a fly and the second where and is that area fly fishing only or closed....

ITS OUR PASSION TO FISH AND GET OUT OF DOORS...PLEASE...FISH LEGAL OR GET OFF THE RIVER!
 
YES, it was caught legal. It was caught in the really good pool (for fly fishing) just above the canyon on a bushy silver minnow pattern. Was there yesterday and caught two rainbows on egg patterns and one brown on the same minnow pattern. No coho[V]
 
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