West Coast Salmon Vulnerable to Climate Change, but Some Show Resilience to Shifting Environment

Yes but some sockeye migrate differently. Maybe that stream in Alaska they take off right away and don't stay in the system.

Ok let's look at sockeye then. Does anyone know a side by side comparison of a sockeye that goes out to sea right away vs a sockeye that stays in the system one or two years. If there is big variation that screams habitat and predator. Also if we go backwards these fish from this run would be right in the time of the warm water blob. I don't know why we keep assuming we won't see an effect from this.

Sorry derailing...




Here is another elephant in the room

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/pink-salmon-zooplankton-1.5243828?__vfz=medium=sharebar&fbclid=IwAR1VpOHaKuOQJFsKXxv4oRhTpOVpF8Yw8SQH2Jos5tMQvz57-2cEjfUQ7X0

If the ocean makes so much zooplankton why are pumping pink clones in high amounts in system of the Chinook, Coho and sockeye grounds where are fish migrate up to?

It would be interesting to see a graph of pink returns and start of ocean ranching vs BC salmon declines.





Think you hit one of the problems spot-on, SV. pinks and excessive stock enhancement.

The other one on the slightly earlier post - ocean production & capacity - is arguably even a bigger issue.

Yes - different sockeye stocks can and do rear in a slightly different area of the Pacific - and the plankton blooms are spotty - and dependent upon both temps and nutrients.

It's concerning in that it is slightly cooler water temps (less than 7 oC or so) and upwelling gives high nutrient cooler-water plankton assemblages - and - those conditions are getting less frequent and in a much smaller areas of the Pacific.

But as you say - don't want to derail this thread, neither, so...

back to politics and salmon....


If you are of the believe that these warming ocean temperatures are a direct result of carbon we put in our atmosphere then the next 50 years for sockeye looks extremely grim for BC coast. Lack of a sockeye harvest means FSC quota has to come from other species of salmon.
 
grim is an accurate description for many Pacific salmon species/stocks in the Southern parts of their ranges for sure WMY
 
Commercial Salmon Advisory Board Re: Climate change disaster relief

This year’s salmon fishery has been a disaster for commercial salmon fishermen of all gear types. Salmon have returned well below DFO pre-season’s predictions. Many fishermen geared up in expectation of reasonable fishing opportunities which have turned into meager catches and then into closures for conservation purposes. Other salmon fishermen will have no opportunities at all in their licensed area. The poor returns are exacerbated by commercial closures intended to conserve southern resident killer whales and interior Fraser steelhead. The impacts go beyond those to commercial salmon fishermen. Rural and Indigenous coastal communities are hurting. Processing plants and shoreworkers are idle and tendermen and their vessels are tied up. This is not the fault of the commercial industry. We fish to Total Allowable Catches set by the Department of Fisheries and Oceans. Ocean conditions and fresh water habitat are reacting to climate change - but the impacts are being borne by the salmon commercial fisheries and allied workers and the many businesses in our communities that rely on the fishery. We are calling on the Federal and Provincial governments to supply immediate climate change disaster relief for the 2019 season to commercial salmon fishery participants and our community partners. We would like to meet with you as soon as possible. We also would like to engage with both governments about long term planning in light of continuing climate change issues so that commercial fishermen can regain viability. In addition, the Fraser blockage north of Big Bar will have serious ongoing consequences to upper Fraser salmon stocks, intensifying future climate change impacts.

Sincerely, CSAB
 
British Columbia Drought Response Plan
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/e.../drought-info/drought_response_plan_final.pdf

Fish population protection orders - Water Sustainability Act
http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/14015#division_d0e12475

On August 19th, 2019, the Province announced the first FPPO under the WSA. Water use licenses for irrigation of forage crops, such as hay and corn, have been temporarily restricted in the Koksilah River watershed to protect Steelhead, Coho and trout until Sept. 30, 2019. The Province believes these measures will restore water flows to a level sufficient to maintain fish populations while minimizing effects on water users. Steps are also being initiated by the Province to develop a water sustainability plan for the watershed.
 
Thankfully BC was wetter than normal throughout the summer months this year.
https://www.theweathernetwork.com/c...arly-july-more-like-november-in-rainy-pattern
Your link is from July 9, 2019 we have much better data then that and to say that BC was wetter than normal is nonsense.
https://governmentofbc.maps.arcgis....x.html?appid=838d533d8062411c820eef50b08f7ebc


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Yep. This is exactly what the USA has been working on. We fight about fish farms and quotas, and they flood their rivers with salmon ranching. They are winning - bigly. Next year we might close down all rec fishing, protect ever seal in the country and the good old Americans will send us their excess salmon through Costco and Safeway at $40/lbs. when will all the dogooders start to see they are nothing more then Patsy's?
 
'Trial of the century' just poured cold water on 'hockey stick' legend

https://www.wnd.com/2019/09/trial-century-just-poured-cold-water-hockey-stick-legend/




Oh for the love of G......
It was a libel suit where Ball posted on the internet that Mann "should be in the State Pen, not Penn State,"
Mann sued Ball and the court documents should come out and we will see what the judge's reason for a dismissal. Until then we could read what Mann and his lawyer said about the case and the reason for the dismissal. Oh and where it was posted on the an internet site there is a retraction and an apology.
Frontier Centre For Public Policy

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Here is what Mann has posed on twitter go look for yourself.
https://twitter.com/MichaelEMann/status/1166711465597968384


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So what this is saying is Ball is old and sick and could not have hurt Mann because no one pays attention to his ravings.

Mann may or maynot appeal and for what it's worth I think he should appeal as this has got the denial sphere worked up in a lather adding 1 plus 1 and getting 85 pushing up the Alexa hits.
 
'Trial of the century' just poured cold water on 'hockey stick' legend

https://www.wnd.com/2019/09/trial-century-just-poured-cold-water-hockey-stick-legend/

Wow just wow. You can't seem to understand that this is just nonsense.
Ball never asked for the program and data, that's just a red herring to feed the climate deniers.
If you interested the program and data is right here, as it's been there for over a decade, but be warned you will need to get your fortran skills up to snuff and find an emulator for your iPad.

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/holocene/public_html/shared/research/MANNETAL98/

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I am more concerned about the icy weather ahead. My hope is that people are prepared...it will be a doozy. We'll see how close my dreams are...they were bang on for the past five seasons. :)
It will be interesting to see if your dreams are more accurate than the predictions from The Weather Network because they are saying the exact opposite for BC.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/the-weather-network-predicts-average-fall-cold-winter-ahead-1.4594825
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British Columbia

Scott said the network is forecasting slightly warmer than normal temperatures for fall. While fall will include stretches of dry weather, wet weather will overdeliver with above normal rainfall in coastal areas. Milder than normal temperatures are expected for the winter.

"What is interesting is that the Northern Pacific, off the coast of B.C. and Alaska is very warm, it's very toasty there, as is the Atlantic Ocean south of Atlantic Canada."
 
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