The Official No Fishing Vent Thread

Discussion in 'Saltwater Fishing Forum' started by Admin, Apr 16, 2019.

  1. Admin

    Admin Admin Staff Member

    With today's announcement, there is obviously a great deal of anger and frustration. There are currently conversations ongoing in numerous threads so we thought it would be good to just have it all in one place. So vent away, but stay within the lines of our posting protocol. As further developments unfold I'm sure there will be other threads to discuss what happens next.
  2. Normfish

    Normfish Well-Known Member

    Here is one of the aholes responsible for this mess......

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  3. wildmanyeah

    wildmanyeah Crew Member

    MY Biggest pet peve right now is all the facebook comments of people NOW wanting to protest. Like WTF where were you a months ago when we posted this shit was going to happen!!!!
    bigdogeh, el.Pereh, Rain City and 2 others like this.
  4. Admin

    Admin Admin Staff Member

    Here is the announcement.

    News Release

    EMBARGOED TO 2:00pm, April 16/19

    Government of Canada takes action to address Fraser River Chinook decline

    April 16, 2019 Vancouver, BC Fisheries and Oceans Canada

    Over the past 50 years, the world’s wildlife populations have declined by 60%. In Canada, 521 species have been identified as being at risk under the Species at Risk Act and the list is growing. Recent assessments by the Committee on the Status of Endangered Wildlife in Canada for Chinook salmon from the Fraser River systemhave found Chinook are also in danger of disappearing from Canada.

    Chinook salmon populations have been in decline for years as a result of a number of factors including habitat destruction, harvest, and the effects of climate change. Of the thirteen wild Fraser River Chinook salmon populations assessed, only one is not at risk. The science is clear. The loss of these Chinook populations would be disastrous not just for wildlife that depend on them as a food source, but also for the many BC communities whose jobs and ways of life depend on Chinook salmon. That’s why the Government of Canada has taken, and is taking, urgent and concrete actions to ensure that at-risk Chinook salmon are protected for future generations.

    However, the challenges facing at risk Fraser River Chinook salmon stocks are multi-faceted. The road to recovery requires a long-term view and the collaboration of all interested parties. To this end, DFO is announcing today that it will engage with First Nations, the Province of BC and stakeholders over the next several weeks to explore establishing a process to address a broad range of issues that are impacting Chinook stocks. These issues include:
    · conservation issues, including land and water use issues,
    · fish habitat issues,
    · the role of hatcheries to support rebuilding and the potential for marked fisheries,
    · how seals and sea lions may be affecting Chinook salmon, and
    · other relevant topics.
    Establishing a process to have these important discussions will play a vital role in determining how best to steward this resource going forward and what options may exist to further address the social, cultural and economic importance of these Chinook stocks.

    Fisheries management measures for 2019 will support the recovery of at risk Fraser River Chinook populations and protecting the jobs and communities that depend on Chinook survival. These measures were developed following consultation with Indigenous communities, recreational and commercial fishing organizations and environmental organizations. These measures are one component of a larger strategy intended to place at risk Pacific salmon populations on a path towards sustainability.
    Fisheries management measures for the 2019 fishing season will include:
    · Commercial fishing: Commercial troll fisheries for Chinook will be closed until August 20 to avoid impacting Fraser Chinook stocks and to support conservation priorities.
    · Recreational fishing: The 2019 management measures for recreational fisheries where at risk Chinook stocks may be encountered are designed to maximize returns of these at risk Chinook to their spawning grounds. Opportunities to harvest Chinook will be provided later in the season to support the long-term viability of the recreational industry. The 2019 measures include:
    · Non-retention of Chinook in Southern BC (including West Coast Vancouver Island offshore, Johnstone Strait and Northern Strait of Georgia) until July 14; a daily limit of one (1) Chinook per person per day after July 15 until December 31.

    · Non-retention of Chinook in the Strait Juan de Fuca and Southern Strait of Georgia until July 31; retention of one (1) Chinook per person per day as of August 1until December 31.
    · West Coast Vancouver Island offshore areas will have non-retention of Chinook until July 14 followed by a limit of two (2) Chinook per day from July 15 to December 31. West Coast Vancouver Island inshore waters will remain at two (2) Chinook per day for the season once at-risk Chinook stocks have passed through, to support the long term viability of the salmon and of the recreational fishery.

    · Fraser River recreational fisheries will remain closed to salmon fishing until at least August 23, and opportunities will be informed by any other conservation issues (coho, steelhead, etc).
    · Retention of two (2) Chinook per day continues to be permitted in Northern BC and inshore areas of the West Coast of Vancouver Island. Other opportunities may be identified and announced in season where abundance permits.
    · An overall reduction in the total annual limit for Chinook that can be retained per person in a season from 30 fish to 10. Recreational fisheries for other species will continue. Please see the Department’s web-site for local regulations.
    · First Nations food, social and ceremonial fisheries: these fisheries, which have a constitutionally protected priority, will not commence until July 15 – concurrent with the opening of the recreational retention fishery.
    These new measures are difficult, but they are necessary to address Fraser River Chinook decline. A continued decline would irrevocably harm species that depend on the survival of Chinook salmon, such as the Southern Resident killer whale. In addition, it would permanently affect the culture, heritage and livelihoods of Indigenous communities and permanently eliminate many jobs in the recreational and commercial fishing industries.
    These measures are part of a comprehensive approach to restoring the health of wild salmon stocks. Other key elements of this comprehensive approach include:
    · Habitat protection – the proposed Fisheries Act, - if passed would restore lost protections to our waterways and specifically to fish habitat.
    · Habitat restoration – we, in collaboration with the Government of BC, recently announced the establishment of the $142M British Columbia Salmon Restoration and Innovation Fund. As well, the Canada Nature Fund for Aquatic Species at Risk, provides $55 million fund over five years to support projects that help recover aquatic species at risk; the Fraser Watershed is one area identified for priority action.
    · Science – the Government of Canada is making significant investments in science to enhance fish stock assessments and to adapt to the impacts of climate change. This includes an additional $107 million to support the implementation of the Fish Stocks provisions of the proposed Fisheries Act. These resources, committed in the Fall Economic Statement,will increase scientific capacity for stock assessment of Canada’s fish stocks, including Pacific salmon stock assessments.
    · Predation – DFO, in partnership with research partners in Canada and the U.S., is convening a forum to discuss and assess scientific evidence relating to population dynamics of seals and sea lions, their diet and their impacts.
    The Government of Canada is taking significant action to ensure that our Chinook salmon survive for future generations. The measures announced today highlight the government’s commitment to working collaboratively to ensure the sustainability of Chinook stocks as a means by which to ensure the health of our ecosystems and the long term prosperity of Indigenous and coastal communities.


    “The science is clear: Pacific Chinook salmon are in a critical state. Without immediate action, this species could be lost forever. As the Minister responsible for the health and sustainability of our oceans, I want to ensure that we do not knowingly put these stocks on a path to extinction. The measures I am announcing today, as part of a comprehensive plan to protect wild Pacific salmon, are significant, necessary and difficult. They are critical to the future of Chinook stocks and to the futures of Indigenous and coastal communities who rely on them for sustenance, jobs and economic prosperity.”

    The Honourable Jonathan Wilkinson, Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard

    Quick Facts
    · In November 2018, the Committee on the Status of Endangered Wildlife in Canada (COSEWIC) assessed 16 southern BC Chinook salmon stocks, 13 of those originating in the Fraser River. Seven of the Fraser Chinook populations were assessed as endangered, four as threatened and one as a population of special concern. Only one stock was deemed not at risk. Insufficient data was available to assess the two remaining stocks.
    · In 2018, a WWF Living Planet Report showed that around the world, wildlife populations have declined 60% over the past 50 years. The 2017 report by the same group indicated that half of all species in Canada were in decline. In Canada there are 521 plant and animal species at risk that are listed under SARA.

    For more information:

    Jocelyn Lubczuk Media Relations

    Press Secretary Fisheries and Oceans Canada

    Office of the Minister of Fisheries, Oceans 613-990-7537

    and the Canadian Coast Guard


  5. Unreel

    Unreel Active Member

    Once again pieces of garbage at dfo and in the government don't listen to anything we have to say...could care less about jobs here only in Quebec, fucking loosers
  6. ILHG

    ILHG Crew Member

    So last year I had reduced limits in Haida until July 12th.. This year I can hit them hard all year....

    Why????? Because this is all about a pipeline. The groups trying to stop the pipeline are trying to use the whales now. This will help put that flame out and take the wind out of their sails.

    Its time for BC to take their province back from these special interests groups.

    Remember the area being shut down is the same area that gave Liberals a majority government.

    Your future is in your hands. The Nanaimo byelection is coming up. Start there & send a message. Then come October pick a party who wont give into these special interests groups....
  7. walleyes

    walleyes Crew Member

    How many have noticed that our little ENGO group of guys on here that are always the anti everything crowd and the big anti pipeline and anti economic growth group the big green group are so silent in this issue. Never a peep out of them on these closures, not one comment on how it’s going to effect the job losses and business closures. Not one GIVE A FUCK out of any of them !! Do you people now see where that rhetoric takes us, do you ?? I fricken doubt it.
    brutus, big rock, CVmike and 3 others like this.
  8. tidal shot

    tidal shot Active Member

    Bam! That’s how you destroy community’s over night! You can just imagine how many cancelations to reservations are happening right now. I guess it won’t be hard for me to let go of my boat now.
  9. ILHG

    ILHG Crew Member

    Does anyone know where Gerald Butts, He was Trudeau's most trusted & influential adviser came from? He was President & CEO of "World Wildlife Fund Canada"........
    chromatose007 likes this.
  10. ILHG

    ILHG Crew Member

    Bingo!! lf this dont open pepole eyes then nothing will.
    disco likes this.
  11. Islander11

    Islander11 New Member

    What about the areas not covered in the diagram? It looks like someone made it on MS Paint
  12. EPS

    EPS Member

    Sad start to what we were planning as the first of an annual trip for our group (4 boats) 75 days left till our reservations at critter cove. We'll make do but being totally new to the area we were relying on the offshore fishery. Will there be an official waypoint "do not cross" line because that bubble map above gives a little fudge room outside of Nootka.
    Brett McK likes this.
  13. Bobby

    Bobby Member

    Wow , shock ? Not at all we were fucked from the start..
    My thoughts go out to those who’s lives and family’s that will be affected in a negative way by this decision.
    My thanks to those who wrote the letters and to those that did their part to represent the public fishery in this political shit show.
    Time to do an ancestry check ,must be some FN blood in there somewhere get me a status card and a gillnet and I will be good to go. No disrespect but I have traditions , ceremonies and my family enjoys a little salmon as well.
    Fucken bullshit
    Cmiles, Stizzla, Whitebuck and 2 others like this.
  14. scott craven

    scott craven Well-Known Member

    What really pisses me off is watching these extremists on the news saying that zero retention
    is not good enough.
    They want "NO FISHING"
    IGotFishues, MadJigga, Unreel and 2 others like this.
  15. UkeeDreamin

    UkeeDreamin Well-Known Member

    This is only the beginning, the watersheds are literally unravelling in the Interior thanks to Harpos decade of deregulation and many industries greed, forestry and agriculture being amongst the worst. Interior Chinook, coho and steelhead stock status is going to get WAY worse before it gets better. Or I should say IF it gets better, because I’m not convinced folks are willing to do what’s necessary to facilitate recovery.

    I’m as unhappy about the inconsistency and double standards in this announcement, and the specific restrictions, as anyone but, if we’re being honest the options available were half a shit sandwich or a whole shit sandwich ... no one can pretend that we weren’t going to be eating shit, either way! Whether or not folks are at a place where they can accept it or grasp the significance of what’s going on with the majority of key salmon stocks our rec fishery relies on the simple fact is that no one can fish for extinct stocks.


  16. ziggy

    ziggy Well-Known Member

    I suspect some people put their faith in the system and tried to play by the rules. Obviously it was a mistake.
  17. fogged in

    fogged in Well-Known Member

    Can any of you guys remember what Roy of Blue Wolf was saying months ago and many were telling him to stop being so negative?? looks like it's here and here to stay...and no one is happy.
    Call it political, blame the natives or the Seals or Sea Lions but it is what it is. Ugly!!!
    For those of us who have spent 50 years or more enjoying the great fishing experience it's sad , but the fishing pressure has increased so GREATLY that no one should be surprised.
  18. wildmanyeah

    wildmanyeah Crew Member

    No aware of fishing pressure increasing
  19. bigbruce

    bigbruce Crew Member

    Any idea as to what Party that might be?
  20. advTHXance

    advTHXance Well-Known Member

    I dont think its all doom and gloom. As I interpet it, these regs still allow for C&R fishing, just no retention (looks like from Hardy eastward down and around to past Port Renfrew - ouch, big area). So you cant keep a few fish over the next few months, big deal. If it truly is that big of a deal you could always tow your boat west. We all know how much our sector gives back to enhancement efforts etc, but crying about the right to kill a few fish makes us look greedy and tarnishes all the good weve already done for these fish. So were giving them a break this summer in good faith, maybe it helps and maybe it doesnt. Maybe they all die in nets in the river anyways, or the sealions get them. I think its worth a try. We can all agree that the stocks are in decline, both in numbers and in average size, so something drastic had to be done.

    Worth noting that the commercial sector takes a big hit too, as their WCVI and NBC troll fishery are significantly delayed (until Aug 20).

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