SFAB Area 17- Minutes From March 5th Meeting

Thanks for posting.

Can you provide some more colour on the following points:

- under the heading “Conservation and Protection”, it notes Aboriginal pinniped harvesting in process. Where / where / how many?

- under the heading “Chinook Salmon”, there are some comment on mass market machines and their deployment. Is there any more information you are able to share on this initiative? Is the some background on why this can’t be done on SoG stocks due to the PST being in effect. The term of the current PST runs until 2028...does this mean no mass marking is possible until its expiry? Which stocks would this apply to?
 
Thanks for posting.

Can you provide some more colour on the following points:

- under the heading “Conservation and Protection”, it notes Aboriginal pinniped harvesting in process. Where / where / how many?

- under the heading “Chinook Salmon”, there are some comment on mass market machines and their deployment. Is there any more information you are able to share on this initiative? Is the some background on why this can’t be done on SoG stocks due to the PST being in effect. The term of the current PST runs until 2028...does this mean no mass marking is possible until its expiry? Which stocks would this apply to?

the wild salmon policy is the main reason Dfo will not mass mark. Listened to Rebecca Reid spew garbage to the fisheries board saying mass marking results in more wild fish caught and killed during release so they have no plan to do this...wild salmon policy is their guiding principle that is main reason why unlike Washington state. No plans to mass mark all hatchery fish like Washington. Won’t even mass mark current released fish, nevermind increasing hatchery produced fish
 
the wild salmon policy is the main reason Dfo will not mass mark. Listened to Rebecca Reid spew garbage to the fisheries board saying mass marking results in more wild fish caught and killed during release so they have no plan to do this...wild salmon policy is their guiding principle that is main reason why unlike Washington state. No plans to mass mark all hatchery fish like Washington. Won’t even mass mark current released fish, nevermind increasing hatchery produced fish
You know pretty much everybody is good at something! When I read some of the DFO Managers responses, I got to say most of them should keep looking to find that thing
 
the wild salmon policy is the main reason Dfo will not mass mark.

The SOG is an ISBM based fishery under the treaty. The rules for incidental mortality are different for an ISBM versus AABM fishery. Specifically section 4 paragraph (g) address rules for conducting MSF's:
"that MSF are conducted subject to the following conditions or understandings, as applicable:

  1. (i) MSFs for Chinook shall be conducted in a manner that selectively reduces fishery impacts on natural spawning salmon relative to hatchery-origin salmon,

  2. (ii) annual post-season reports generated by each Party shall contain a summary of the MSFs implemented in that season,

  3. (iii) MSFs implemented by either Party that affect stocks subject to this Treaty shall be sampled, monitored, and reported in accordance with the applicable protocols reviewed by the SFEC and adopted by the Commission; including estimates of catches and releases of mass-marked and unmarked Chinook for sublegal and legal-size categories,

  4. (iv) SFEC shall report on MSF, assist with developing analytical procedures, and recommend to the Commission approaches that could improve the estimation of impacts on natural Chinook stocks, and

  5. (v) subject to the availability of funds, the U.S. shall establish a Mark Selective Fishery Fund (Fund). The Fund shall be administered by the Commission to assist fishery management agencies with equipment and operations, as needed, to mass-mark hatchery produced Chinook salmon, to estimate incidental mortality, and to maintain and improve the ability to estimate exploitation rates on Chinook salmon indicator stocks that are encountered in MSF, including improvements and development of bilateral analytical tools. The Commission shall adopt procedures to solicit proposals from U.S. and Canadian management entities for the use of the Fund, be advised on the merits of proposals by specialists as it determines appropriate, and make funding decisions."


    Down here in WA much effort/money is expended on monitoring our MSF. There are specific open seasons. Fishing for Salmon (includes C&R) is closed whenever a specific season is not open. During the season, there are fish counters at virtually every access point to the are with an open season.

    Paragraph 5 (v) seems to me to be the hurdle.

    This language is on page 55 of the treaty:
https://www.psc.org/about-us/history-purpose/pacific-salmon-treaty/

click the blue box to download the treaty.
 
- under the heading “Chinook Salmon”, there are some comment on mass market machines and their deployment. Is there any more information you are able to share on this initiative? Is the some background on why this can’t be done on SoG stocks due to the PST being in effect. The term of the current PST runs until 2028...does this mean no mass marking is possible until its expiry? Which stocks would this apply to?

They have a mass marking trailer on the island that they are tying out. I asked a DFO biologist about it and he said they are tying it out because currently they are failing to meet their mark/tag obligation to the PST.
 
Thanks for posting.

Can you provide some more colour on the following points:

- under the heading “Conservation and Protection”, it notes Aboriginal pinniped harvesting in process. Where / where / how many?

- under the heading “Chinook Salmon”, there are some comment on mass market machines and their deployment. Is there any more information you are able to share on this initiative? Is the some background on why this can’t be done on SoG stocks due to the PST being in effect. The term of the current PST runs until 2028...does this mean no mass marking is possible until its expiry? Which stocks would this apply to?

I think most of question were asked. DFO purchased 2 clipping machines. On is stalled at the border, and one is here. It is allocated to Canuma Hatchery and Robertson, and a few other east island location. As was said PST treaty is in issue with mass marking as it stands.

Pinniped harvesting has been granted to FB bands, and is in process. 15 each we were told by the C and P officer. I believe it was only granted on FN land/reserves.

Hope that clears it up.
 
The SOG is an ISBM based fishery under the treaty. The rules for incidental mortality are different for an ISBM versus AABM fishery. Specifically section 4 paragraph (g) address rules for conducting MSF's:
"that MSF are conducted subject to the following conditions or understandings, as applicable:

  1. (i) MSFs for Chinook shall be conducted in a manner that selectively reduces fishery impacts on natural spawning salmon relative to hatchery-origin salmon,

  2. (ii) annual post-season reports generated by each Party shall contain a summary of the MSFs implemented in that season,

  3. (iii) MSFs implemented by either Party that affect stocks subject to this Treaty shall be sampled, monitored, and reported in accordance with the applicable protocols reviewed by the SFEC and adopted by the Commission; including estimates of catches and releases of mass-marked and unmarked Chinook for sublegal and legal-size categories,

  4. (iv) SFEC shall report on MSF, assist with developing analytical procedures, and recommend to the Commission approaches that could improve the estimation of impacts on natural Chinook stocks, and

  5. (v) subject to the availability of funds, the U.S. shall establish a Mark Selective Fishery Fund (Fund). The Fund shall be administered by the Commission to assist fishery management agencies with equipment and operations, as needed, to mass-mark hatchery produced Chinook salmon, to estimate incidental mortality, and to maintain and improve the ability to estimate exploitation rates on Chinook salmon indicator stocks that are encountered in MSF, including improvements and development of bilateral analytical tools. The Commission shall adopt procedures to solicit proposals from U.S. and Canadian management entities for the use of the Fund, be advised on the merits of proposals by specialists as it determines appropriate, and make funding decisions."


    Down here in WA much effort/money is expended on monitoring our MSF. There are specific open seasons. Fishing for Salmon (includes C&R) is closed whenever a specific season is not open. During the season, there are fish counters at virtually every access point to the are with an open season.

    Paragraph 5 (v) seems to me to be the hurdle.

    This language is on page 55 of the treaty:
https://www.psc.org/about-us/history-purpose/pacific-salmon-treaty/

click the blue box to download the treaty.

Thanks for posting this. We discussed at our meeting but is nice to have that link.
 
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