Recreational chinook openings leave First Nations frustrated on the Lower Fraser

Discussion in 'Conservation, Fishery Politics and Management.' started by cohochinook, Jul 8, 2020.

  1. cohochinook

    cohochinook Well-Known Member

  2. Whitebuck

    Whitebuck Well-Known Member

    What's next they are going to want the fall salmon as well with no recreational fishing?


    They already have priority to anything that comes back to the hatchery!
    If there is any excess once brood is taken they have always been able to take as much as they have wanted!

    This isnt about Chinook, this is about complete control over all of BCs resources. Such a joke.
     
  3. OldBlackDog

    OldBlackDog Well-Known Member

    The FN do not want anyone fishing on the Fraser.
    This has been fought in court already, but I will guess the Liberals will give this to them now.
     
  4. Ryan A

    Ryan A Active Member

    Pretty sure you can’t, “ Authorize your own fishery”, I believe that is called poaching.
     
  5. Thunder21

    Thunder21 Well-Known Member

    They aren’t going to stop until they have it all and we have nothing
     
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  6. BCRingo

    BCRingo Well-Known Member

    And that’s when no one will have anything....
     
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  7. Pineapple Express

    Pineapple Express Well-Known Member

    That's a rather poorly researched/explained "article". There's no mention of the numerous openings that have occurred or are scheduled to occur.
     
  8. wildmanyeah

    wildmanyeah Crew Member

    Well if you disagree with it you can always write a letter to the editor.
     
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  9. Whitebuck

    Whitebuck Well-Known Member

    Why don’t they just grab a rod and reel and harvest as many hatchery Chinook as they can?
    Grab their traditional methods and kill as many as they can with their traditional methods that they used on the Vedder.

    Over 30 legal openings now that they have had to harvest some of the most endangered runs of salmon on the west coast and they are complaining?

    Imagine if FN actually started calling out our government and DFO about an actual recovery program for these upper river stocks? Or are they so short sited on killing them off and not thinking about the future?
     
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  10. the butcher

    the butcher Well-Known Member

    For fu*k sake, I can't even take my young kids out to share time with them on the boat doing what we all love to do which is hook up on a nice chinook, even if it means it's hatchery, land it, take it home and enjoy a freakin family dinner on 1 damn hatchery chinook... Not that much to ask for... The rationale makes total sense to me... no hatchery, not even allowed to catch and release yet they turn a blind eye to gillnetting and people putting shitloads of chinook salmon into totes loaded onto moving trucks..

    I can live with the consequences of me being denied the opportunity to fish for no apparent reason, but don't take that enjoyment and experience away from my kids and the hundreds and thousands of other children and young adults in this province. Bullshit times a million.
     
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  11. IronNoggin

    IronNoggin Well-Known Member

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  12. Tinny

    Tinny Well-Known Member

    This is another perfect example of the unfortunate growing Canadian phenomena - the inverse relationship between how much taxes an individual pays and how entitled they feel.
     
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  13. Ryan A

    Ryan A Active Member

    I did! Waiting for a reply :)
     
  14. disco

    disco Active Member

    Trudy has a minority govt and so does Horgan. They'll do anything it takes to retain the FN vote. We missed our chance to turf both these losers last election.
     
  15. StormTrooper

    StormTrooper Well-Known Member

    Very few FN people vote in the colonial governance structure, provincial or federal. FN make up 4.9% of Canada’s population in whole. Even though there has been around 61.5% voter turn out in past federal elections of FN people. That number is very small compared to around 68% voter turn out for the rest of Canada population, a substantially larger proportion of voters.
     
  16. SpringFever552

    SpringFever552 Well-Known Member

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  17. IronNoggin

    IronNoggin Well-Known Member

    True that.
    But lets not forget the Virtue Signal Value of catering to FN's among city dwelling liberal supporters still entertaining the notion of the Noble Savage. who was sinned against and as such must be coddled forever more...
    And that volume of votes is considerable (much to our chagrin).

    Nog
     
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  18. StormTrooper

    StormTrooper Well-Known Member

    The Indian Act is not the way forward...if it was things would never change and inequality in life for indigenous people around Canada would continue to be oppressed as the history of governance continues to share in many ways. This is why you are seeing the shift. It will seem worse before it gets better for all three Fishing sectors.
     
  19. the butcher

    the butcher Well-Known Member

    What are you talking about? You say it will get worse before it gets better? We are as close to being rock bottom as it gets..... There is not much more worse situations than basically 1 month in September for chinook fishing around area 29. For the entire summer you can't even catch and release? And from July 15th to Aug 31, I have to make a 45 min run over to Thrasher just for the opportunity to catch 1 Chinook and it has to be legal size but under 80cm? Then go back 45mins to the mainland for 1 frekin fish? No thanks..... How the hell does it get worse than this? And by the way, when you talk about September, when we look at dates that most folks have available for fishing(weekends) and the fact that not every weekend will have weather/wind patterns that make it safe or comfortable to be out on the water... we really are talking about a handful of possible days during the prime fishing season..
     
  20. StormTrooper

    StormTrooper Well-Known Member

    Yes. It will get worse before it gets better. That's exactly what I said. I have talked for years upon years about what is now here. Here we are and it will get worse before the shift. The only way forward is all three Fishing sectors working together. I said it for more than ten years. It's not my job to change you.
     

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