FN increase YE catch by 270%

There are a few posters on here that are likely familiar with how salmon are managed and incorrectly assume that YE are managed the same. That is incorrect.

Salmon - as we know - often are managed pre-season by a pre-season forecast for the larger watersheds (good luck wrt the smaller watersheds). The TAC allocated to different user groups is a % of that TAC (as individual numbers of salmon). The US-Canada Salmon Treaty influences how that rolls out.

In-season - that TAC is updated and the allocation to different users groups is simultaneously updated.

That's not how YE bycatch is managed.

Every year DFO does both trawl and long-line test fisheries - alternating between northern and southern portions of the Coast for the hook and line surveys - yearly for the trawl surveys.

From that a YE biomass is estimated, and applied broad-scale (all sub-areas) to the coast for the next year. By-catch is applied as a conservative portion of that biomass by subareas that likely do not reflect current subarea biomass since the test fisheries are generally sparse and can miss some central and North-Coast subareas where YE is caught - as an example. Catches of Yelloweye Rockfish tend to be largest in central QCS and along the shelf off the west coast of southern Vancouver Island.

Groundfish bottom trawl surveys often miss YE since preferred YE rocky bottom habitat is more difficult to trawl without damaging gear. The most recent stock assessments for each of the Yelloweye Rockfish DU’s show population trends only up to 2010 for the inside and up to 2014 for the outside areas.

Since, YE by-catch for most subareas is very limited - some FN commercial boats (that have cameras, and 3rd party monitors) dual-fish - delivering overages as FSC fish under the Aboriginal Communal Fishing Licences Regulations or Treaty Harvest Agreements. In both cases, allocations are specified, and the fisheries are licensed and conducted under the authority of the Minister.

FNs have a right for FSC catch within their traditional territories. If they use YE bycatch for FSC - I'm not seeing the outrage displayed by a few posters on this forum. Not defending wasting fish - just not seeing the outrage over using YE for FSC.

From the available info on YE rockfish total mortality:

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/csas-sccs/Publications/ResDocs-DocRech/2019/2019_014-eng.pdf

"The estimate of total mortality for the inside population of Yelloweye ranges from 0.036 to 0.057, while total mortality estimates for the outside population range from 0.027 to 0.045 depending on models used (Yamanaka et al. 2006; Yamanaka et al. 2012)."

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" ...the recreational fisheries have accounted for variable proportions of all catch, with equivalent or greater removals than the commercial hook and line fisheries for inside Yelloweye Rockfish in recent years "
 
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There are a few posters on here...

And there are indeed a few that totally miss the larger picture, yet are willing to try and defend erroneous and wasteful practices by one certain sector...

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and a few that miss the complexities of fisheries management and make unsupported allegations...
 
and a few that miss the complexities of fisheries management and make unsupported allegations...

Indeed!
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Just FYI: I happen to be a retired marine biologist who well understands the complexities of fisheries management.
On the other hand, I also happen to have a rather well known disdain for those who purport to understand matters well outside of their league.
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Cheers,
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so you would be an excellent resource to understand & describe that an increase in converting YE bycatch into FSC does not immediately mean an increase in overall fishing pressure on YE (reference fig 18 above) - cute emoticons & assumed "league" notwithstanding
 
so you would be an excellent resource to understand & describe that an increase in converting YE bycatch into FSC does not immediately mean an increase in overall fishing pressure on YE

I would agree with this if there was a known and regulated quota for FSC yelloweye.

but as you stated

It's managed differently than salmon, WMY. FSC is not related to commercial TAC.
 
FSC - as you stated WMY - is allocated differently and separately than commercial TAC.

So increases in YE FSC do not necessarily translate into changes in commercial TAC, or fishing pressure. That is my point wrt assuming that increases in fulfilling FSC quotas by converting YE bycatch into FSC does not immediately or necessarily mean an increase in overall fishing pressure on YE. One needs to look at overall (FSC AND commercial AND recreational) fishing pressure on YE to see if any increases occurred.

On addition - YE bycatch landed by commercial fishing boats is regulated under the commercial groundfish conditions of licence which includes cameras, GPS and 3rd party validators - something avoided by the rec fleet. To play devils advocate - from the CSAS YE stock assessment report above - it states: " ...the recreational fisheries have accounted for variable proportions of all catch, with equivalent or greater removals than the commercial hook and line fisheries for inside Yelloweye Rockfish in recent years "

Having said that - FSC quotas as dictated by DFO on all species is under debate as needs were not considered when DFO arbitrarily allocated FSC catch to FNs - as opposed to what case law says about FSC needs.
 
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What is the quota for fsc, is there a limit and what is it. How much by catch can be assigned it is? Is there even a limit?

Fsc for consumption is one think and not have a clear defined law on what the needs are is what it is.

When you start to use fsc for bycatch on an industrial scale in commercial fisheries it’s another and for there to be no clear define amount that can be assigned to fsc means it’s the Wild West.

Will see what the legacy is in the CDA in time.
 
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so you would be an excellent resource to understand & describe that an increase in converting YE bycatch into FSC does not immediately mean an increase in overall fishing pressure on YE (reference fig 18 above) - cute emoticons & assumed "league" notwithstanding

bottom line is wanton waste. dont defend it in any way.
 
Conversion of YE bycatch into FSC is of itself - no more waste than sports-catch, trophy. It would be waste if it spoiled, IMHO - and the opinion of fisheries regulators.
 
What is the quota for fsc, is there a limit and what is it. How much by catch can be assigned it is? Is there even a limit?

Fsc for consumption is one think and not have a clear defined law on what the needs are is what it is.

When you start to use fsc for bycatch on an industrial scale in commercial fisheries it’s another and for there to be no clear define amount that can be assigned to fsc means it’s the Wild West.

Will see what the legacy is in the CDA in time.
I agree we will see what the legacy is.

From the CSAS YE report (Table 7, pages 26-28) - current to 2016 - there was a marked reduction in commercial catch from ~1700t in 1990 to ~150t in 2016 (outside stocks) - where the inside commercial catch of Yelloweye Rockfish decreased from a peak of around 170 t from 1988-1990 to approximately 10t/yr or less annually since 2006.

In comparison, from the graph provided by fish4all at the start of this thread - 2019's FSC catch numbers increased 25,192lbs over the last 9 year average of 28,341lbs - or by 12.6t; while the commercial catch decreased by about 90t/yr (outside) and ~3t/yr (inside) over the same time frame.

In other words - OVERALL a decrease of about 80t/yr of YE bycatch since 2010 - including the recent increase in FSC dual-fishing.

It looks like the rec catch increased by an unknown amount during this timeframe, since they don't have the same conditions of licence as the dual-fishing commercial fleet as far as monitoring.

However, DFO has generated an estimate:

"Current levels of recreational catch remain lower than the highest catches from around 2006-2008 (outside) and 2000-2001 (inside). In inside waters, recent catch has increased from around 2,000 pieces in 2010 to 3,000 pieces in 2016. In the outside area, recent catch has increased from 2010 levels of around 9,000 pieces to around 11,000 pieces in 2016 (Figure 19)."

In other words - the rec fleet currently catches ~14,000 pieces of YE/yr. The average weight of landed YE is not given in the report - but the average size is: ~ 66 cm. Using that on the length/weight graph gives and average weight of ~4kg - or 8.8lbs.

So that 14,000 pieces roughly translates into 123,200lbs - or 61.6t/yr - almost 5 times the amount landed as commercial dual-fishing FSC catch from the 1st post.

As far as increases in landings go - the rec fleet intercepted about 3000 pieces more of YE since 2010 - the same timeframe. Using that - the increase in rec catch is ~26,400lbs during that same time frame - or 13.2t.

so, the rec fleet increases have been slightly above the increases in dual-fishing FSC landings during the same time frame.

As you say, WMY - we will see what the legacy of all these fisheries are.
 
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