Commercial halibut fishermen 'angry and nervous'

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More crap from David Boyes



The commercial fishery is on edge this week, as saltwater anglers give government another hard-push for a larger share of B.C. halibut.
"We are angry and nervous," said Lyle Pierce, a commercial fisherman out of Courtenay.
"(Recreational fishermen) are trying to overturn a decision to get more fish, but we all want more fish. There isn't a lot to go around right now."
There's been a 50 per cent drop in fish quota in the last five years, said Pierce, who helps determine the total allowable catch for the Pacific Halibut Commission.
When there was 11 million fish to go around no one had a problem with government policy. With numbers now slimming down to 7.25 million, however, both sectors are suffering hard blows and looking for solutions. The commercial fishery has taken a 45 per cent cut to their sector while the recreational fishery saw shorter seasons and reduced catch limits.
"We are both feeling the pain, so it seems absolutely wrong to take fish from one side to give to the other," Pierce said.
Recreational anglers on the North Island are meeting in Campbell River for the fourth town hall tour, Wednesday. The rallies are geared towards persuading government to change its policy, which currently offers recreational anglers 12 per cent of the catch and the commercial fishery, 88 per cent.
Sport anglers are reaching their allocation sooner each year as the industry grows, prompting the Department of Fisheries and Oceans to cut seasons short. Two out of three years had short seasons and this year is expected to be no different. Fishermen expect the season to be curbed by mid-July, the peak time for the recreational sector.
Unpredictable closings is making it tough for lodges and charters to book advance trips for tourists and tackle shots don't know many orders to make. If this continues there could be economic havoc, members of the recreational sector say.
"There are 100, 000 anglers out there spending money in this province for food, campsites, lodges and gear, but that's all in jeopardy with these early closings," said Bryan Allen, of the Courtenay Fish and Game Club.
"It could really have an impact on B.C."
The sport fishermen say the solution is to give them a larger percentage of the catch, which would stretch the number of days they could fish. But that will come at the expense of the commercial fishery. The DFO can't expand the total allowable catch, meaning one sector will have to shrink, so another can grow.
It's not the mom and pop operators that are bumping up the catch limits, but the burgeoning lodge and charter industry, said Dave Boyes, a commercial fisherman out of Courtenay.
"We're two commercial ventures that are valuable parts of the B.C. social fabric and economy. We take the halibut to the people and lodges and charters take the people to the fish," he said.
" If lodges want to continue to grow they need to be in the same game we are of buying or leasing quota, instead of riding on the coat tails of the recreational industry."
Boyes estimates lodges and charters pull in 69 per cent of the sports halibut fishery allocation, leaving 31 per cent for the average angler. If they started to buy and sell as other commercial ventures do, other anglers would see a longer season.
It's not a move the recreational industry is unfamiliar with. Boyes sits on the Halibut Management Commission of B.C., and has seen anglers spend $1.8 million leasing fish from the commercial sector since 2008. Why not continue? he said.
"I don't think their argument makes sense and they're definitely not telling the whole story," he said.
"I just hope this (town hall meeting) doesn't change the status quo. Our livelihoods depend on our allocations."
tcunningham@comoxvalleyecho.com

© Comox Valley Echo 2011​
 
"anglers spend $1.8 million leasing fish from the commercial sector since 2008"

Can someone explain what this means?
 
The 88/12 split came in to effect in 2003. In the first few years we caught less than our 12% (or so they thought) and the fish we didn't take, we sold to the commercial side to catch. That money went into an account with the idea that (if) we ever started catching more than the 12% we would have funds to buy the extra we needed from the commercial quota. Well (they say) we have gone over the past few years so we had to buy and that money was exhausted in 2010.
 
That is pretty much correct. But the original posting is not exactly right. Back in 2003 when the 88/12 came into effect the Sport Fishing Institute met with the ministers regional representative to express our concern over the announcement. We explained that we would not be over in the next few years but as the Canadian halibut TAC was always fluid from year to year we would hit a point were we would be over and then trouble would happen. We were assured that the minister meant his words when he said our halibut would not be closed and that a "market based mechanism" would be in play to ensure that. Well, here we are 2 early closures in the last 3 seasons and no "market based mechanism" that is fair. I have always found it peculiar that DFO sticks by the 88/12 part of the announcement but then ignores the parts that refer to us.
 
The only Commercial Fishermen that should be angry and nervous, are the (i am sorry guys for the sensitive name here but it does have good ring to it) SLIPPER SKIPPERS! The Non-fishing quota holders that are selling/leasing quota to the working/active commercial fishermen (the ones that do in fact depend honestly upon the Halibut fishery - I believe there are less than 140 of these hard working individuals), and the non-fishing quota holders are making windfall profits without working for it, from a resource that was orriginally gifted out by the minister of fisheries.

It has come time that the current minister of fisheries needs to look at the situation and remove the quotas from the NON-FISHING QUOTA HOLDERS, and reallocate or lease these volumes back to the Sports Fishery through, say Halibut tags or such, and to the WORKING Commercial fishermen at a rate that is more profiatble to DFO, but would still be a noticable amount cheaper than the Working guys are currently paying to the Slipper Skippers, so that the working guys get the profits for doing the WORK!!! If the minister did this, it would give the ministry back the power to CONTROL the fishery and keep it in balance year to year to year, and it would ensure that the Canadian Halibut resource were being utilized in the fairest and most effective, beneficial way to the Canadian people. It is definately time for a change to this system - NOW!
 
dont start making sense, dfo doesnt know what to do when ya start making sense:rolleyes:holmes*
Huh??? Whacha tockin bout? Had Me head in the sand, didn't hear ya.....:confused::confused:. Did someone say somthin bout CENTS or Scents? Cuz come to think bout it somtin duz stink round hear.:p
 
If the commercial boats are feeling the pinch due to a 50 percent reduction of quota over the last 5 years then why are they still leaving fish in the water each year.We all know why they do this but it appears to me they dont need this much if they leave fish in the water every year just to boost the price.
 
More crap from David Boyes



The commercial fishery is on edge this week, as saltwater anglers give government another hard-push for a larger share of B.C. halibut.
"We are angry and nervous," said Lyle Pierce, a commercial fisherman out of Courtenay.
"(Recreational fishermen) are trying to overturn a decision to get more fish, but we all want more fish. There isn't a lot to go around right now."
There's been a 50 per cent drop in fish quota in the last five years, said Pierce, who helps determine the total allowable catch for the Pacific Halibut Commission.
When there was 11 million fish to go around no one had a problem with government policy. With numbers now slimming down to 7.25 million, however, both sectors are suffering hard blows and looking for solutions. The commercial fishery has taken a 45 per cent cut to their sector while the recreational fishery saw shorter seasons and reduced catch limits.
"We are both feeling the pain, so it seems absolutely wrong to take fish from one side to give to the other," Pierce said.
Recreational anglers on the North Island are meeting in Campbell River for the fourth town hall tour, Wednesday. The rallies are geared towards persuading government to change its policy, which currently offers recreational anglers 12 per cent of the catch and the commercial fishery, 88 per cent.
Sport anglers are reaching their allocation sooner each year as the industry grows, prompting the Department of Fisheries and Oceans to cut seasons short. Two out of three years had short seasons and this year is expected to be no different. Fishermen expect the season to be curbed by mid-July, the peak time for the recreational sector.
Unpredictable closings is making it tough for lodges and charters to book advance trips for tourists and tackle shots don't know many orders to make. If this continues there could be economic havoc, members of the recreational sector say.
"There are 100, 000 anglers out there spending money in this province for food, campsites, lodges and gear, but that's all in jeopardy with these early closings," said Bryan Allen, of the Courtenay Fish and Game Club.
"It could really have an impact on B.C."
The sport fishermen say the solution is to give them a larger percentage of the catch, which would stretch the number of days they could fish. But that will come at the expense of the commercial fishery. The DFO can't expand the total allowable catch, meaning one sector will have to shrink, so another can grow.
It's not the mom and pop operators that are bumping up the catch limits, but the burgeoning lodge and charter industry, said Dave Boyes, a commercial fisherman out of Courtenay.
"We're two commercial ventures that are valuable parts of the B.C. social fabric and economy. We take the halibut to the people and lodges and charters take the people to the fish," he said.
" If lodges want to continue to grow they need to be in the same game we are of buying or leasing quota, instead of riding on the coat tails of the recreational industry."
Boyes estimates lodges and charters pull in 69 per cent of the sports halibut fishery allocation, leaving 31 per cent for the average angler. If they started to buy and sell as other commercial ventures do, other anglers would see a longer season.
It's not a move the recreational industry is unfamiliar with. Boyes sits on the Halibut Management Commission of B.C., and has seen anglers spend $1.8 million leasing fish from the commercial sector since 2008. Why not continue? he said.
"I don't think their argument makes sense and they're definitely not telling the whole story," he said.
"I just hope this (town hall meeting) doesn't change the status quo. Our livelihoods depend on our allocations."
tcunningham@comoxvalleyecho.com

© Comox Valley Echo 2011​

can you point out the inaccuracies by mr.boyes?
 
A very quick skim of the letter and the first one is 11 million fish down to 7.25 million...that should be pounds. Ah the sport fishery is not in a growth period right now, in fact many lodges up and down the coast are down 50% in the last 3 years. Some are no longer around. The Oak Bay marine group didn't send the Marabelle up north last year, she stayed tied to the docks.
 
"profisher" are you sure that the overall effort is down that much? If this being the case then how did we go over our initial quota, and then trigger the purchase of quota early in the season and then exhausting all of that and then some. Something does not add up and I'd like to know more. Has something been engineered to substantiate our true numbers? I realize that over the past few years that IPHC has lowered Canada's take, which affects all sectors, however if the effort is down as you are saying, how accurate is this formula that has been accepted?

Ding Dong!
 
Yes, that is why I am asking for more info, if effort was down, less than the previous year and we did not initiate purchase in the previous year then why in 2010 did quota get purchased so early. Who anticipated that we would exceed our quota that early? It's almost as though this is the perfect storm! However, IMHO most people are far to focused on the wrong target, the effort needs to be wholly on DFO, for the Minister is the only decision maker.

Ding Dong!
 
The only Commercial Fishermen that should be angry and nervous, are the (i am sorry guys for the sensitive name here but it does have good ring to it) SLIPPER SKIPPERS! The Non-fishing quota holders that are selling/leasing quota to the working/active commercial fishermen (the ones that do in fact depend honestly upon the Halibut fishery - I believe there are less than 140 of these hard working individuals

FH. Unfortunatly the lobby campaign going on at the moment is not targeting just the slipper skippers, it is trying to take fish from the commercial fisherman that rely on it to survive. And its not 140 people it is 140 VESSELS and crew that are being impacted, and that does not inclued the rest of the groundfish vessels (dogfish,lingcod,rockfish) that are required to lease and account for every pound of halibut they encounter.
 
'It's not the mom and pop operators that are bumping up the catch limits, but the burgeoning lodge and charter industry, said Dave Boyes, a commercial fisherman out of Courtenay.
"We're two commercial ventures that are valuable parts of the B.C. social fabric and economy. We take the halibut to the people and lodges and charters take the people to the fish," he said.
" If lodges want to continue to grow they need to be in the same game we are of buying or leasing quota, instead of riding on the coat tails of the recreational industry."
Boyes estimates lodges and charters pull in 69 per cent of the sports halibut fishery allocation, leaving 31 per cent for the average angler. If they started to buy and sell as other commercial ventures do, other anglers would see a longer season."


Not sure which public relations firm Mr Boyes has hired to put out the same old crap about guides and lodges being commercial entities, but he should ask for a refund because absolutely NOBODY IS BUYING THIS BS......it is a total waste of time.....
with MP's , mayors, councilors etc lining up to support the rec sector its now quite clear, to most that dealing with ANY FISHERIES ISSUES, DFO ETC , doing it politically en-mass is the ONLY way to get things done.......in my opinion the SFAB has simply NO INFLUENCE over the decisions being made by DFO (although the have made some things happen ) and politicians especially. This 88/12 fight has been ongoing for years and it wasn't until rec anglers came together recently, united, that anyone has taken us seriously. The ONLY route to go in now and in the future in allowing the Sport fishing Coalition to grow and have the hundreds of thousands rec anglers lobby, rally , protest against all things that have a negative influence on what we LOVE TO DO -----FISH
 
FH. Unfortunatly the lobby campaign going on at the moment is not targeting just the slipper skippers, it is trying to take fish from the commercial fisherman that rely on it to survive. And its not 140 people it is 140 VESSELS and crew that are being impacted, and that does not inclued the rest of the groundfish vessels (dogfish,lingcod,rockfish) that are required to lease and account for every pound of halibut they encounter.

Thats up to the bozos at DFO to figure out....
 
Good qoute from last night..."WHEN DID ,MOTELS.HOTELS,CAMPGROUNDS,MARINAS WHO HOUSE PEOPLE WHO COME TO FISH (CAN.RESIDENTS) START CATCHING ALL THE FISH?????? hell you might as well throw in airports taxicabs.buses,rental car places and so on and so on and so on. they along with us guides/charters who take people to go fishing is the platform for someone to use thats all..


wolf
 
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