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What's wrong soxy Neil got you down?
A Tarper™ man don't need him around anyhow.

Another example of shoot the messenger argument.
It's a sign of a very weak argument.....

This is a good article for you to read.
Bad science: Global-warming deniers are a liability to the conservative cause

July 15, 2010

Have you heard about the “growing number” of eminent scientists who reject the theory that man-made greenhouse gases are increasing the earth’s temperature? It’s one of those factoids that, for years, has been casually dropped into the opening paragraphs of conservative manifestos against climate-change treaties and legislation. A web site maintained by the office of a U.S. Senator has for years instructed us that a “growing number of scientists” are becoming climate-change “skeptics.” This year, the chairman of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation gave a speech praising the “growing number of distinguished scientists [who are] challenging the conventional wisdom with alternative theories and peer reviewed research.” In this newspaper, a columnist recently described the “growing skepticism about the theory of man-made climate change.” Surely, the conventional wisdom is on the cusp of being overthrown entirely: Another colleague proclaimed that we are approaching “the church of global warming’s Galileo moment.”
Fine-sounding rhetoric — but all of it nonsense. In a new article published in the Proceedings of the Natural Academy of Sciences, a group of scholars from Stanford University, the University of Toronto and elsewhere provide a statistical breakdown of the opinions of the world’s most prominent climate experts. Their conclusion: The group that is skeptical of the evidence of man-made global warming “comprises only 2% of the top 50 climate researchers as ranked by expertise (number of climate publications), 3% of researchers in the top 100, and 2.5% of the top 200, excluding researchers present in both groups … This result closely agrees with expert surveys, indicating that [about] 97% of self-identified actively publishing climate scientists agree with the tenets of [man-made global warming].”
How has this tiny 2-3% sliver of fringe opinion been reinvented as a perpetually “growing” share of the scientific community? Most climate-change deniers (or “skeptics,” or whatever term one prefers) tend to inhabit militantly right-wing blogs and other Internet echo chambers populated entirely by other deniers. In these electronic enclaves — where a smattering of citations to legitimate scientific authorities typically is larded up with heaps of add-on commentary from pundits, economists and YouTube jesters who haven’t any formal training in climate sciences — it becomes easy to swallow the fallacy that the whole world, including the respected scientific community, is jumping on the denier bandwagon.
This is a phenomenon that should worry not only environmentalists, but also conservatives themselves: The conviction that global warming is some sort of giant intellectual fraud now has become a leading bullet point within mainstream North American conservatism; and so has come to bathe the whole movement in its increasingly crankish, conspiratorial glow.
Conservatives often pride themselves on their hard-headed approach to public-policy — in contradistinction to liberals, who generally are typecast as fuzzy-headed utopians. Yet when it comes to climate change, many conservatives I know will assign credibility to any stray piece of junk science that lands in their inbox … so long as it happens to support their own desired conclusion. (One conservative columnist I know formed her skeptical views on global warming based on testimonials she heard from novelist Michael Crichton.) The result is farcical: Impressionable conservatives who lack the numeracy skills to perform long division or balance their checkbooks feel entitled to spew elaborate proofs purporting to demonstrate how global warming is in fact caused by sunspots or flatulent farm animals. Or they will go on at great length about how “climategate” has exposed the whole global-warming phenomenon as a charade — despite the fact that a subsequent investigation exculpated research investigators from the charge that they had suppressed temperature data. (In fact, “climategate” was overhyped from the beginning, since the scientific community always had other historical temperature data sets at its disposal — that maintained by the Goddard Institute for Space Studies, most notably — entirely independent of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, where the controversy emerged.)
Let me be clear: Climate-change denialism does not comprise a conspiracy theory, per se: Those aforementioned 2% of eminent scientists prove as much. I personally know several denialists whom I generally consider to be intelligent and thoughtful. But the most militant denialists do share with conspiracists many of the same habits of mind. Oxford University scholar Steve Clarke and Brian Keeley of Washington University have defined conspiracy theories as those worldviews that trace important events to a secretive, nefarious cabal; and whose proponents consistently respond to contrary facts not by modifying their hypothesis, but instead by insisting on the existence of ever-wider circles of high-level conspirators controlling most or all parts of society. This describes, more or less, how radicalized warming deniers treat the subject of their obsession: They see global warming as a Luddite plot hatched by Greenpeace, the Sierra Club and Al Gore to destroy industrial society. And whenever some politician, celebrity or international organization expresses support for the all-but-unanimous view of the world’s scientific community, they inevitably will respond with a variation of “Ah, so they’ve gotten to them, too.”
In support of this paranoid approach, the denialists typically will rely on stray bits of discordant information — an incorrect reference in a UN report, a suspicious-seeming “climategate” email, some hypocrisy or other from a bien-pensant NGO type — to argue that the whole theory is an intellectual house of cards. In these cases, one can’t help but be reminded of the folks who point out the fluttering American flag in the moon-landing photos, or the “umbrella man” from the Zapruder film of JFK’s assassination.
In part, blame for all this lies with the Internet, whose blog-from-the-hip ethos has convinced legions of pundits that their view on highly technical matters counts as much as peer-reviewed scientific literature. But there is something deeper at play, too — a basic psychological instinct that public-policy scholars refer to as the “cultural cognition thesis,” described in a recently published academic paper as the observed principle that “individuals tend to form perceptions of risk that reflect and reinforce one or another idealized vision of how society should be organized … Thus, generally speaking, persons who subscribe to individualistic values tend to dismiss claims of environmental risks, because acceptance of such claims implies the need to regulate markets, commerce and other outlets for individual strivings.”

In simpler words, too many of us treat science as subjective — something we customize to reduce cognitive dissonance between what we think and how we live.
In the case of global warming, this dissonance is especially traumatic for many conservatives, because they have based their whole worldview on the idea that unfettered capitalism — and the asphalt-paved, gas-guzzling consumer culture it has spawned — is synonymous with both personal fulfillment and human advancement. The global-warming hypothesis challenges that fundamental dogma, perhaps fatally.
The appropriate intellectual response to that challenge — finding a way to balance human consumption with responsible environmental stewardship — is complicated and difficult. It will require developing new technologies, balancing carbon-abatement programs against other (more cost-effective) life-saving projects such as disease-prevention, and — yes — possibly increasing the economic cost of carbon-fuel usage through some form of direct or indirect taxation. It is one of the most important debates of our time. Yet many conservatives have made themselves irrelevant in it by simply cupping their hands over their ears and screaming out imprecations against Al Gore.
Rants and slogans may help conservatives deal with the emotional problem of cognitive dissonance. But they aren’t the building blocks of a serious ideological movement. And the impulse toward denialism must be fought if conservatism is to prosper in a century when environmental issues will assume an ever greater profile on this increasingly hot, parched, crowded planet. Otherwise, the movement will come to be defined — and discredited — by its noisiest cranks and conspiracists.

jkay@nationalpost.com

Great article GLG. And from the National Post of all places!

However I am sure the overwhelming majority of the conservative readership of the Post will react as described in the article.

"Yet many conservatives have made themselves irrelevant in it by simply cupping their hands over their ears and screaming out imprecations against Al Gore."
 
Cold hard facts from the guy's on the right.

[h=1]Extreme weather cost Canada record $3.2B, insurers say[/h]Alberta flooding in June alone had $1.74B in insured losses CBC News Posted: Jan 20, 2014 12:39 PM ET

The spate of severe weather disruptions across Canada over the past year caused insurers to pay out a record $3.2 billion in claims, the industry says.

The ice storm that hit southern Ontario and then Eastern Canada caused $200 million worth of insured losses, bringing the total to $3.2 billion for all of 2013. That's the highest level the insurance industry has ever seen.
"In 2013, the terrible effects of the new weather extremes hit Canadians hard," Insurance Bureau of Canada president Don Forgeron said. "From the Alberta floods last summer to the ice storms in Ontario and Atlantic Canada over the holidays, frankly, bad weather hit insurers hard, too."
Much of that large figure came from the devastating Alberta floods in June 2013. The event was Canada's costliest ever natural disaster, with insured losses of $1.74 billion.
In July, a record rainfall caused flash flooding in Toronto that resulted in $940 million in damages. It was the most expensive insured natural disaster in Ontario’s history and the second-most expensive weather event in 2013.

Last month, Intact Financial, one of Canada's largest property insurers, said it is raising premiums by as much as 15 to 20 per cent to deal with the added costs of weather-related property damage.

"As severe weather events become more extreme and frequent, we will continue to pursue our efforts to ensure that the protection we offer reflects our country's new climate reality, and that governments, consumers, businesses and all stakeholders pursue their efforts to better adapt to climate change," CEO Charles Brindamour said at the time.
 
L.A. Times Says It Won’t Publish Letters Pushing Climate Denial And Other ‘Errors Of Fact’

As for letters on climate change, we do get plenty from those who deny global warming. And to say they "deny" it might be an understatement: Many say climate change is a hoax, a scheme by liberals to curtail personal freedom.

Before going into some detail about why these letters don't make it into our pages, I'll concede that, aside from my easily passing the Advanced Placement biology exam in high school, my science credentials are lacking. I'm no expert when it comes to our planet's complex climate processes or any scientific field. Consequently, when deciding which letters should run among hundreds on such weighty matters as climate change, I must rely on the experts -- in other words, those scientists with advanced degrees who undertake tedious research and rigorous peer review. And those scientists have provided ample evidence that human activity is indeed linked to climate change. Just last month, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change -- a body made up of the world's top climate scientists -- said it was 95% certain that we fossil-fuel-burning humans are driving global warming.

The debate right now isn't whether this evidence exists (clearly, it does) but what this evidence means for us.
Saying "there's no sign humans have caused climate change" is not stating an opinion, it's asserting a factual inaccuracy.


http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opin...letters-20131008,0,871615.story#ixzz2rNS0Hajq
 
Background info on the Scientific method by potholer54
This guy has many videos debunking those strange ideas that float around the internet.
Do a youtube search with his name and they will come up.

[zcavPAFiG14] http://youtu.be/zcavPAFiG14
 
They feed my family with big fat pay cheques. Get off the key board and go cash your welfare cheque.

He doesn't have to cash a welfare cheque, he's retired, retired on an income derived from the energy industry in Alberta. But things were different then, he just doesn't think people should get the same opportunity he had, he's evolved.
 
There's a whole roster of climate change deniers over on The Hull Truth---they have vat-loads of venom to spew at any "leftist" idiot who dares to cite the overwhelming scientific evidence supporting man-made global warming and the effects it will have on our children. If you stand back and look at their counter-arguments, it's all just NOISE---zero intelligent discourse, just noise.

At first I found the whole thing fascinating---how a growing body of seemingly intelligent people with enough intelligence to get out of bed in the morning and make it through the day without killing somebody have zero interest in researching what is clearly becoming the most critical issue of our times.

I have a daughter who just moved to New York City to take a job---- without much hyperbole, there is the very real possibility that by the time she is my age (and almost certainly by the time her children grow to be my age), some of the real estate of Manhattan Island will be UNDER WATER, either periodically from hurricane-Sandy type storm surges or permanently.

This is not a leftist plot. This is not Obamacare gone rabid. It is a logical outcome of man's addiction to fossil fuels and the compounding effect the burning of these fossil fuel are having on global ecosystems.

Even the most tame predictions of weather changes and increasing sea levels will have huge disruptive consequences for groups of people in different parts of the globe. And with even just a cursory investigation of the scientific literature, 97% of peer-reviewed scientists agree that these disruptive changes are being hastened and catalyzed by anthropogenic greenhouse emissions.

What's galling to me is that the nay-sayers, the climate-change deniers, are absolutely CONVINCED that the body of scientists arguing for curtailing some types of economic activities or changing our approach to how we extract and use fossil fuels are on someone's payroll, basically bribed to take that stance or purposely creating hysteria to keep the research and grant dollars flowing in, when the sad fact is......it's PRECISELY THE OPPOSITE:

The slim group of "scientists" who are continually cited by the nay-sayers for their arguments countering anthropogenic greenhouse emissions and the effects these emissions are having on global climate and global ice pack are either laymen with zero scientific credentials or scientists whose arguments and research have been repeatedly shown to be non-peer reviewed and financed by suspect money, as in, from the pockets of Big Oil

Hey, Dennis, Soxy, all you nay-sayers and deniers out there--- do a quick Google on "Friends of Science" ------ look at who funds them. Follow the money trail.

Hey, Dennis, Soxy, all you nay-sayers and deniers out there--- do a quick Google on "The Advancement of Sound Science Center" (TASSC) ------ look at who funded them. Follow the money trail.


I suppose you guys have heard of the Koch Brothers and Koch Industries? They have HUGE INVESTMENTS in the Albertan Tar Sands.


NOW PLEASE READ THIS:
 
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Not Just the Koch Brothers: New Drexel Study Reveals Funders Behind the Climate Change Denial Effort

PHILADELPHIA, December 20, 2013
Bob Brulle
Robert Brulle, PhD, is a professor of sociology and environmental science at Drexel University

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A new study conducted by Drexel University environmental sociologist Robert J. Brulle, PhD, exposes the organizational underpinnings and funding behind the powerful climate change countermovement. This study marks the first peer-reviewed, comprehensive analysis ever conducted of the sources of funding that maintain the denial effort.

Through an analysis of the financial structure of the organizations that constitute the core of the countermovement and their sources of monetary support, Brulle found that, while the largest and most consistent funders behind the countermovement are a number of well-known conservative foundations, the majority of donations are “dark money,” or concealed funding.

The data also indicates that Koch Industries and ExxonMobil, two of the largest supporters of climate science denial, have recently pulled back from publicly funding countermovement organizations. Coinciding with the decline in traceable funding, the amount of funding given to countermovement organizations through third party pass-through foundations like Donors Trust and Donors Capital, whose funders cannot be traced, has risen dramatically.


Brulle, a professor of sociology and environmental science in Drexel’s College of Arts and Sciences, conducted the study during a year-long fellowship at Stanford University’s Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences. The study was published today in Climatic Change, one of the top 10 climate science journals in the world.

The climate change countermovement is a well-funded and organized effort to undermine public faith in climate science and block action by the U.S. government to regulate emissions. This countermovement involves a large number of organizations, including conservative think tanks, advocacy groups, trade associations and conservative foundations, with strong links to sympathetic media outlets and conservative politicians.

“The climate change countermovement has had a real political and ecological impact on the failure of the world to act on the issue of global warming,” said Brulle. “Like a play on Broadway, the countermovement has stars in the spotlight – often prominent contrarian scientists or conservative politicians – but behind the stars is an organizational structure of directors, script writers and producers, in the form of conservative foundations.

If you want to understand what’s driving this movement, you have to look at what’s going on behind the scenes.”

To uncover how the countermovement was built and maintained, Brulle developed a listing of 118 important climate denial organizations in the U.S. He then coded data on philanthropic funding for each organization, combining information from the Foundation Center with financial data submitted by organizations to the Internal Revenue Service.

The final sample for analysis consisted of 140 foundations making 5,299 grants totaling $558 million to 91 organizations from 2003 to 2010. The data shows that these 91 organizations have an annual income of just over $900 million, with an annual average of $64 million in identifiable foundation support. Since the majority of the organizations are multiple focus organizations, not all of this income was devoted to climate change activities, Brulle notes.

Key findings include:

Conservative foundations have bank-rolled denial. The largest and most consistent funders of organizations orchestrating climate change denial are a number of well-known conservative foundations, such as the Searle Freedom Trust, the John William Pope Foundation, the Howard Charitable Foundation and the Sarah Scaife Foundation. These foundations promote ultra-free-market ideas in many realms.

Koch and ExxonMobil have recently pulled back from publicly visible funding. From 2003 to 2007, the Koch Affiliated Foundations and the ExxonMobil Foundation were heavily involved in funding climate-change denial organizations. But since 2008, they are no longer making publicly traceable contributions.


Funding has shifted to pass through untraceable sources. Coinciding with the decline in traceable funding, the amount of funding given to denial organizations by the Donors Trust has risen dramatically. Donors Trust is a donor-directed foundation whose funders cannot be traced. This one foundation now provides about 25% of all traceable foundation funding used by organizations engaged in promoting systematic denial of climate change.

Most funding for denial efforts is untraceable. Despite extensive data compilation and analyses, only a fraction of the hundreds of millions in contributions to climate change denying organizations can be specifically accounted for from public records. Approximately 75% of the income of these organizations comes from unidentifiable sources.

This chart shows the overall amount and percentage distribution of foundation funding of countermovement organizations

“The real issue here is one of democracy. Without a free flow of accurate information, democratic politics and government accountability become impossible,” said Brulle. “Money amplifies certain voices above others and, in effect, gives them a megaphone in the public square. Powerful funders are supporting the campaign to deny scientific findings about global warming and raise public doubts about the roots and remedies of this massive global threat. At the very least, American voters deserve to know who is behind these efforts.”

At the very least, American voters deserve to know who is behind these efforts [to deny scientific findings about global warming].

This study is part one of a three-part project by Brulle to examine the climate movement in the U.S. at the national level. The next step in the project is to examine the environmental movement or the climate change movement. Brulle will then compare the whole funding flow to the entire range of organizations on both sides of the debate.

Brulle has authored numerous articles and book chapters on environmental science, and is a frequent media commentator on climate change. He co-edited Power, Justice and the Environment: A Critical Appraisal of the Environmental Justice Movement (2005) with David Pellow, and is the author of Agency, Democracy, and Nature: U.S. Environmental Movements from a Critical Theory Perspective (2000).

Brulle previously served as a commissioned officer in the United States Coast Guard for two decades. He received a doctorate in sociology from George Washington University, a master of science degree in natural resources from the University of Michigan, a master of arts degree in sociology from the New School for Social Research and a bachelor of science degree in marine engineering from the United States Coast Guard Academy.

The full paper is available here.

http://drexel.edu/now/news-media/rel....mZcYFDsx.dpuf


SHORT ANSWER-- Climate change deniers are in the Koch Brother's back pockets. Looks like it was money well spent based on all the noise from that Camp
 
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They feed my family with big fat pay cheques. Get off the key board and go cash your welfare cheque.
He doesn't have to cash a welfare cheque, he's retired, retired on an income derived from the energy industry in Alberta. But things were different then, he just doesn't think people should get the same opportunity he had, he's evolved.

Is that all you got fellas?
That the best you can do?
What's wrong old Neil got you down?
Getting a little too hot for you?

FYI - I got out of the patch back in the 80's ... too much boom and bust to base a career on.
I went into computers for a steady paycheck, lot's of companies need help back then.
Started my own computer consulting company in the 90's.
Did do a couple of contracts for software and pipeline inspection on some big inch lines.
Good thing they had me as the software I wrote came in handy for all the leaks they had.
After they ran the hydro test (failed) they ran a pig to find the leaks.
I used their log and my software to tie them into the survey.
The pipeline company had me out there to make sure they dug up the line in the right spots.
Like I said that was back then in the 90's
After that I consulted for North American property management companies.
Lead teams of programers extracting financial data from their systems.
Nothing to do with patch and everything to do with database, excel and crystal reports.

I prefer logic for explaining things I see.
What do you fellas use, magic?

FYI - never been on welfare and the only time I spent on EI was when I worked the patch.
Boom then bust (EI) and of course layoff for spring breakup (EI).
I'm sure you fellas have seen friends go through that cycle before.
 
Neil Young had his role: he’s the American celebrity who can draw crowds of fawning Baby Boomer journalists. But at the end of the day, he’s just another millionaire celebrity. When he talks about the oilsands, he quickly reveals himself as a low-information know-nothing.
This column was written for Sun News January 19 2013.

Neil is Canadian!
Dave
 
sharphooks, are you really saying that the persons behind the funding of the denial movement are well aware that human caused
climate change is real but they keep the the movement going because it is in their financial and political best interests? Shocking.
In other words, the people at the top know climate change is real, but only the irrational and gullible believe them.

The honest stance for their ilk would be to admit that man is speeding up climate change, it is highly likely a very bad thing in the long run, but people need oil and jobs now. People can appreciate honesty, but deniers have either been duped due to lack of genetic capacity, or they are liars.
 
FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL---when even industry admits what it KNOWS is going on, you know Big Oil is 100% responsible for the denier camp


EXERPTS FROM AN ARTICLE IN THE NEW YORK TIMES

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WASHINGTON — Coca-Cola has always been more focused on its economic bottom line than on global warming, but when the company lost a lucrative operating license in India because of a serious water shortage there in 2004, things began to change.

Today, after a decade of increasing damage to Coke’s balance sheet as global droughts dried up the water needed to produce its soda, the company has embraced the idea of climate change as an economically disruptive force.

“Increased droughts, more unpredictable variability, 100-year floods every two years,” said Jeffrey Seabright, Coke’s vice president for environment and water resources, listing the problems that he said were also disrupting the company’s supply of sugar cane and sugar beets, as well as citrus for its fruit juices. “When we look at our most essential ingredients, we see those events as threats.”


Coke reflects a growing view among American business leaders and mainstream economists who see global warming as a force that contributes to lower gross domestic products, higher food and commodity costs, broken supply chains and increased financial risk. Their position is at striking odds with the longstanding argument, advanced by the coal industry and others, that policies to curb carbon emissions are more economically harmful than the impact of climate change.

In Washington, the World Bank president, Jim Yong Kim, has put climate change at the center of the bank’s mission, citing global warming as the chief contributor to rising global poverty rates and falling G.D.P.’s in developing nations. In Europe, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the Paris-based club of 34 industrialized nations, has begun to warn of the steep costs of increased carbon pollution.

Nike, which has more than 700 factories in 49 countries, many in Southeast Asia, is also speaking out because of extreme weather that is disrupting its supply chain. In 2008, floods temporarily shut down four Nike factories in Thailand, and the company remains concerned about rising droughts in regions that produce cotton, which the company uses in its athletic clothes.

“That puts less cotton on the market, the price goes up, and you have market volatility,” said Hannah Jones, the company’s vice president for sustainability and innovation. Nike has already reported the impact of climate change on water supplies on its financial risk disclosure forms to the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Both Nike and Coke are responding internally: Coke uses water-conservation technologies and Nike is using more synthetic material that is less dependent on weather conditions.

In the United States, the rich can afford to weigh in. The California hedge-fund billionaire Thomas F. Steyer, who has used millions from his own fortune to support political candidates who favor climate policy, is working with Michael R. Bloomberg, the former New York mayor, and Henry M. Paulson Jr., a former Treasury secretary in the George W. Bush administration, to commission an economic study on the financial risks associated with climate change. The study, titled “Risky Business,” aims to assess the potential impacts of climate change by region and by sector across the American economy.

“This study is about one thing, the economics,” Mr. Paulson said in an interview, adding that “business leaders are not adequately focused on the economic impact of climate change.”

Also consulting on the “Risky Business” report is Robert E. Rubin, a former Treasury secretary in the Clinton administration. “There are a lot of really significant, monumental issues facing the global economy, but this supersedes all else,” Mr. Rubin said in an interview. “To make meaningful headway in the economics community and the business community, you’ve got to make it concrete.”

Last fall, the governments of seven countries — Colombia, Ethiopia, Indonesia, South Korea, Norway, Sweden and Britain — created the Global Commission on the Economy and Climate and jointly began another study on how governments and businesses can address climate risks to better achieve economic growth. That study and the one commissioned by Mr. Steyer and others are being published this fall, just before a major United Nations meeting on climate change.

Although many Republicans oppose the idea of a price or tax on carbon pollution, some conservative economists endorse the idea. Among them are Arthur B. Laffer, senior economic adviser to President Ronald Reagan; the Harvard economist N. Gregory Mankiw, who was economic adviser to Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign; and Douglas Holtz-Eakin, the head of the American Action Forum, a conservative think tank, and an economic adviser to the 2008 presidential campaign of Senator John McCain, the Arizona Republican.


“There’s no question that if we get substantial changes in atmospheric temperatures, as all the evidence suggests, that it’s going to contribute to sea-level rise,” Mr. Holtz-Eakin said. “There will be agriculture and economic effects — it’s inescapable.” He added, “I’d be shocked if people supported anything other than a carbon tax — that’s how economists think about it.”


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It is an absolute stone-cold mystery to me how anybody with a shred of a brain can plant their flag in the Denier Camp while staring at the amount of evidence supporting not only the scientific concept of Global Warming but why it's happening so rapidly and and how socially and economically disruptive the effects will be within the next 50 years.

It's a stunning testimony to how Koch Brother's money and Steven Harper's assault on the scientific community in Canada can not only brainwash a huge group of people but empower them to the point where they don't feel the least bit stupid or uniformed or bitterly ironic as they unleash their bucket loads of contempt and snarling derision at not only the scientists who collected and organized and reviewed all the data supporting anthropogenic Global Warming, but anybody who would dare read, promote, or echo this data.

Makes me feel like I'm living in the Dark Ages.

And when I read the following, I KNEW I was living in the Dark Ages:

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Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the National Energy Board (NEB) and Fisheries & Oceans Canada (DFO) for Cooperation and Administration of the Fisheries Act and the Species at Risk Act Related to Regulating Energy Infrastructure
The NEB and DFO have entered into a MOU regarding fish and fish habitat. Through this MOU, the NEB will now be responsible for assessing potential impacts to fisheries from proposed NEB regulated pipeline and power line applications.


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Right out of Kafka and Eugene Ionesco---theater of the absurd....
 
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Finance Minister Mike de Jong used today's budget speech to lay more groundwork for B.C.'s liquefied natural gas industry. Acknowledging there are still skeptics when it comes to the future of the industry in B.C., de Jong announced the province will begin to draft legislation this fall to establish a tax regime to be applied to the sale of LNG, the rents and fees payable for the ruse of LNG facilities and the fees for processing natural gas at LNG facilities. De Jong also committed $38 million over three years to the support and assessment of the industry. "There are some skeptics out there who question whether this industry is real, and whether it will proceed in B.C. Well I can tell this house today: it is very real," de Jong said during his budget presentation. "Even the critics are starting to acknowledge the growing body of evidence." De Jong noted seven firms now have National Energy Board export licences, two projects have entered into agreements with B.C. to pursue Crown land for production facilities and one project — Kitimat LNG — has been awarded a construction contract for a possible plant at Bish Cove. De Jong said the government is proposing a two-tiered tax regime for LNG facilities. The government proposes a 1.5 per cent tax to be applied when a production facility is up and running, and a second tier of tax as high as 7.0 per cent that would kick into effect when the company behind the facility has recouped its capital costs. During a briefing with reporters, the finance minister said it was about striking a balance between getting a fair price for B.C.'s natural resources and being competitive enough to attract LNG producers to the province. "This is how we propose to extract a fair share of the value that results from the export of our LNG to the world," he said. There is no indication how much revenue the LNG income tax regime would generate or when it would start flowing, with de Jong noting it does not kick in until a facility is up and running. In his budget speech, however, de Jong noted there have been estimates that after 10 years of production a single LNG plant could generate up to $1.4 billion in LNG income tax. The province has set an objective of having three LNG terminal in operation by 2020, which de Jong still believes is achievable. Legislation for the tax is expected to be introduced this fall with regulations and additional legislation to follow in 2015. Other LNG initiatives included in Tuesday's budget included $29 million over three years to be spread through the ministries of aboriginal relations, environment, forests and natural gas development to help develop the industry. There is also $9 million over the next three years to support environmental assessment of the impact of LNG developments — facilities, pipelines and mining. - See more at: http://www.timescolonist.com/opinio...ce-lng-strategy-1.858716#sthash.vWWIHwAU.dpuf


So we tax payers are the ones that are paying for all this and when we have finally paid for it, then we get 7 cents on the dollar for our resource. soxy,triplenickel, walleyes and denise.T should be happy....

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They feed my family with big fat pay cheques. Get off the key board and go cash your welfare cheque.
Where does your cheque come from now?

Originally Posted by triplenickel
He doesn't have to cash a welfare cheque, he's retired, retired on an income derived from the energy industry in Alberta. But things were different then, he just doesn't think people should get the same opportunity he had, he's evolved.
False.... but then you already new that...
 
Good on ya GLG! and Sharphooks! A couple gentlemen standing up for the younger generation, whether its directly or indirectly!

"Originally Posted by triplenickel
He doesn't have to cash a welfare cheque, he's retired, retired on an income derived from the energy industry in Alberta. But things were different then, he just doesn't think people should get the same opportunity he had, he's evolved."

He's evolved…? (we know the true story) but regardless the world needs to evolve, not just individuals. We're not all walking around with clubs and speaking in grunts anymore (well…unless a little Sailor Jerry's is involved). Talking about getting the same opportunities, think about the younger generations and their opportunity to go fishing… there really isn't an argument there, the continual use and extraction of oil at current rates will destroy their ability to share in your passion and create life long memories that I'm sure everyone can relate too. Evolution is necessary.

Oil is necessary for the near future, we obviously can't just quit cold turkey, and it's an important resource for making plastics etc… but as Ronald Bailey said "The Stone Age didn't end because humanity ran out of stones." Its time we begin to wean ourselves off oil and reduce our footprint on the planet, little things add up, recycle, carpool, we all know what they are, even if you're pretending not to listen. A healthier ecosystem doesn't only mean better health for the world's human population, but as I'm sure we can all find a small piece of common ground on, a healthier ecosystem means better health for the Pacific Salmon population!

And who doesn't want that…!?
 
Oilsands tailings ponds leaking toxic chemicals: federal govt study
Bob Weber, The Canadian Press

EDMONTON – New federal research has strongly backed suspicions that toxic chemicals from Alberta’s vast oilsands tailings ponds are leaching into groundwater and seeping into the Athabasca River.
Leakage from oilsands tailings ponds, which now cover 176 square kilometres, has long been an issue. Industry has acknowledged that seepage can occur and previous studies using models have estimated it at 6.5 million litres a day from a single pond.

more: http://commonsensecanadian.ca/oilsands-tailings-ponds-leaking-toxic-chemicals-federal-govt-study/
 
We seem to be living in a "Banana Republic" when it comes to our resources.

The question is for how much longer we are going to put with BS.

[6OWoWOS69Zs] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OWoWOS69Zs&feature=player_embedded
 
http://www.canada.com/mobile/iphone/story.html?id=9535569

Feds need to do more to fight climate change, finds deputy ministers’ report

Friday, February 21, 2014

By Jason Fekete, Postmedia News

OTTAWA — A secret report from a committee of federal deputy ministers stresses the need for the federal government to further combat climate change and manage the risks that threaten Canadian communities, government infrastructure, food security and human health.

The report from the Deputy Ministers’ Committee on Climate Change, Energy and the Environment to the Clerk of the Privy Council Wayne Wouters also identifies priority areas for potential “government intervention” on energy and environmental innovation, including taking action on unconventional oil and gas, water and next-generation transportation.

The briefing materials shed some intriguing light on what’s unfolding within the government on how Canada should both mitigate and respond to climate change, and which emerging energy and environmental industries Ottawa may financially support in the future.

The documents also raise more questions on why the Conservatives have hesitated to introduce long-awaited greenhouse gas regulations for the oil and gas industry, when even the most senior federal bureaucrats are flagging concerns about climate change and challenges in tackling GHGs in the energy sector.

The August 2013 documents — labelled “SECRET” — identify that Canada, which is already slowly drifting away from meeting its 2020 target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions, “will likely face significant challenges to mitigate GHG emissions beyond 2020” given its energy intensive and export-oriented economy. Deep, long-term emissions reductions for Canada will require transformational clean technology innovation, the report says.

A wide range of climate-change impacts are being felt across Canada, the report says, including disappearing Arctic sea ice, thawing permafrost, rising sea levels, and increased risks of severe weather, and “it is likely that these conditions will be exacerbated as the climate continues to change in the future.”

“These impacts pose increasing risks to infrastructure, water quality and quantity, coastal communities, natural resource industries, food security, human health and safety, and wildlife,” the report says.

Specifically, the report notes more work is necessary to address potentially “significant risks” to some or many of the federal government’s $65 billion in assets — such as roads and airports in the North susceptible to thawing permafrost — as well as the ability of federal departments and agencies to effectively deliver programs and services.

“The capacity of Canadians, communities, and institutions to successfully adapt to a changing climate is a challenge that is only expected to grow in the coming years. With the understanding that climate change impacts have already resulted in significant costs to government and will likely continue to do so, planning ahead for climate impacts would be responsible risk management,” it adds.

The report to Wouters, the top bureaucrat in the country who directly advises Prime Minister Stephen Harper, was obtained by Postmedia News under access-to-information legislation.

The documents highlight a number of risks and costs already being felt by the government, Canadian taxpayers and the environment.

Warmer winters are a key factor in the severity of the mountain pine beetle outbreak that has devastated more than 18 million hectares of Canadian forest, and extreme weather events that used to happen every 40 years are now expected every six years.

Moreover, billions of dollars in emergency financial aid have been paid out to farmers in recent years due to hail, droughts and flooding, with Ottawa committing billions more to help with recovery costs from floods that ravaged southern Alberta in 2013.

The deputy ministers’ report clearly links Canada’s future economic prosperity to the environment and climate change policy. Yet, the Conservative government last year eliminated the National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy, the federal agency tasked with examining the two issues together.

The federal Conservative government has repeatedly promised to introduce greenhouse gas regulations for the oil and gas industry, but those standards — years in the making — have been repeatedly delayed by Harper and successive environment ministers.

The Alberta oilsands are the fastest-growing source of greenhouse gas emissions in Canada.

Paul Boothe, a former deputy minister of the environment in the Conservative government and now director of Western University’s Lawrence National Centre for Policy and Management, said the deputy ministers’ report is one piece of the puzzle that contributes to government policy decisions.

“The government adds in their political calculus on this stuff and then comes to a decision,” Boothe said. “Even if these deputy discussions become policy advice, and they don’t always, then layered on top of that is the sort of political advice that is based on what ministers know and what their political staff are telling them.”

However, he said it’s in both Canada’s economic and environmental interests to move forward with greenhouse regulations for the energy sector. Taking “real action” on climate change will make it easier for Canada to sell its oil and gas internationally, he said.

The deputy ministers’ report notes that energy and environmental innovation is key to Canada’s future prosperity. It highlights research conducted for the federal government by consulting firm McKinsey and Company that says Canada has an enormous opportunity to capture a larger share of growing global demand for energy and energy technologies.

The consulting work identified priority areas for “government intervention” — which could include direct financial help or tax incentives — including next generation auto and advanced trains and jets; “water”; energy efficient buildings; bioenergy; unconventional hydro; and unconventional oil and gas.

The McKinsey and Company analysis projected that fully capitalizing on growing markets for energy and energy technologies could mean an extra $74 billion in Canada’s real gross domestic product and up to 500,000 additional Canadian jobs by 2020 (although the government acknowledges the estimate is on the optimistic side).

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Collapsing share prices of US coal hold warning for BC and Alberta carbon bubbles

Share prices of major coal mining companies in the United States have collapsed in the last two years. Investors have lost billions. The lack of any solution to the high levels of climate pollution from coal burning is dimming the industry prospects for a growing number of investors.Amazingly this gutting of market capitalization over the last two years has happened while US coal production fell just 6%. It's not today's relatively small decline that has spooked investors. Instead it is a rapid change in what the future looks like for American coal. Just a few years ago the accepted future was one of decades of growth. This has quickly morphed in many investors' minds into a scenario of long term decline. That popping sound is not from champagne corks anymore. As Deutsche Bank summed up, US coal burning has become a "dead man walkin' ":

"Banks won’t finance them. Insurance companies won’t insure them. The EPA is coming after them…And the economics to make it clean don’t work."

Follow link for more.
http://www.vancouverobserver.com/bl...al-hold-warning-bc-and-alberta-carbon-bubbles

So if your going to invest in the future then coal/oil/gas is just a dead man walking.
But like Tarper Zombies they will be hard to put down.
Glad I took all my investments out of this sector years ago.
 
Mike De Souza's 20 Most Important Articles for Postmedia
Last week, journalist Mike De Souza published his final article for Postmedia News. The outlet closed its Parliamentary Bureau dismissing De Souza and four other employees amid a scandalous revelation that senior staff are colluding with Canada’s largest oil and gas lobby, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers (CAPP), to shift the national conversation to more positively reflect on the energy industry, particularly Alberta's oilsands.
De Souza’s final piece fittingly covered an internal memo that showed the Harper government was warned back in 2011 that a massive increase in oil-by-rail transport was impending, given the rate of oil production in the oilsands outstripped Canada’s pipeline capacity. The Harper government, despite such cautions, failed to address the safety concerns associated with such sharp growth in oil tanker train traffic. Two years later, the tragedy of Lac-Mégantic killed 47 people.
There’s no question that Mike De Souza has been crucial to the survival of investigative journalism on energy and environment in Canada over the last several years. His work has exposed government and industry collusion, shining a light behind closed doors and serving the public interest. He has detailed high-level climate change denial, suppression of scientists and environmental regulations and the high level of orchestration between the Harper government and the oil, gas and pipeline industries in the creation of the infamous Omnibus Budget Bill C-38.
Ultimately, De Souza’s reporting has provided Canadians with a critical counter-narrative to Harper government spin when it comes to climate, energy and the environment.
Here’s a list of just 20 stories worth highlighting and remembering from De Souza’s career with Postmedia News:
<!--break--> Climate denial and killing Kyoto
Thanks to a generous donation from a major oil and gas company, an anti-Kyoto Protocol group sets up some “research” accounts at the University of Calgary. Fighting through multiple freedom of information requests and a legal challenge, Postmedia News obtained hundreds of pages of receipts, letters and other evidence revealing that the money was used for ads during an election campaign, lobbying, marketing, travel, wining and dining, with donors eligible for tax receipts for charitable contributions.
The goal of the so-called research was to cast doubt on scientific evidence showing that the consumption of fossil fuels and other human activity was causing global warming and push the government to withdraw from the international Kyoto agreement on climate change.
This series of stories earned a citation at the 2012 National Newspaper Awards in the “investigations” category.
1) Talisman Energy kickstarted University of Calgary climate skeptic fund
2) University climate research accounts used for PR, travel, wining and dining: records
3) University of Calgary and Talisman distance themselves from global warming contrarians

Spin, PR and delays
Former Stephen Harper adviser Bruce Carson left the prime minister’s office and took over a University of Calgary based “think tank” with a fresh $15 million federal grant. He proceeded to change the research mandate of the Canada School of Energy and Environment (CSEE) so that it could contribute to a lobbying and marketing strategy to green the image of the oil and gas industry.
The plan was elaborate, involving secret meetings between government officials, industry reps from companies such as Exxon Mobil or BP, and diplomats. Their goal: to lobby foreign governments, to “kill” international action on climate change, and to ensure “the oil keeps a-flowing” from Alberta.
4) Bruce Carson changed research mandate
5) Canada’s oilsands strategy includes lobbying against global warming measures
6) Governments working with oil execs to curb oilsands criticism, documents show
7) Canada enlists Big Oil to help kill U.S. green policies
8) Conservatives deny diplomatic push to shield oilsands from U.S. environmental rules
9) Feds say industry organized PR strategy for oilsands
10) Feds spent nearly $54,000 on pro-oil lobbying retreat over two days in London, England
11) Harper deploys diplomats to counter U.S. climate change campaign
12) Diplomats targeted influential media to boost oilsands coverage in Europe

Reckless Resource Development
Days before announcing Canada would withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol on climate change, the federal government drafted plans for a “strong and coordinated” public relations campaign and major regulatory reforms to promote oil and pipeline industry expansion, say personal notes drafted by the top bureaucrat at Natural Resources Canada. His minister, Joe Oliver, was in the midst of getting briefed about what was at stake, as the federal Conservatives planned billions of dollars in cuts across the government, affecting scientists who monitored the impacts of industrial activity and eliminating thousands of federal environmental reviews of projects.
13) Secret Environment Canada study warns of oilsands’ impact on habitat
14) Communications strategists deliberated on $60 million in cuts at Environment Canada
15) Joe Oliver doesn’t know very much about energy projects, emails reveal
16) Federal government planned strong PR campaign to promote oil industry
17) Bureaucrats told Stephen Harper’s government environmental reforms would be “very controversial,” records reveal
18) Stephen Harper’s government sent mixed messages to industry, First Nations about environmental reforms
19) Pipeline development was 'top of mind' in Stephen Harper’s budget bill, say "secret" records
20) Bureaucrats told Peter Kent reforms could undermine environmental protection
 
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