1. scott craven

    scott craven Well-Known Member

    So, another 4 years of Liberal(minority) government.
    Given the relative abundance of Chinook salmon in 2019
    I wonder if DFO will consider allowing hatchery fish retention in 2020,
    even if it's only one per day ?
  2. Pippen

    Pippen Well-Known Member

    Don't be ridiculous......there was a salmon crisis this year according to Wilkinson and certain media outlets. Until whales are dying from overeating salmon and you can walk across the Straight of Georgia on the backs of seals recreational fisher folks will be curtailed. ;):confused:;):rolleyes:
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  3. scott craven

    scott craven Well-Known Member

  4. SpringVelocity

    SpringVelocity Well-Known Member

    Way to early to tell.
  5. Pippen

    Pippen Well-Known Member

    Wilkinson got elected.....and unless he loses the portfolio I would hedge my bets. :p:oops:
  6. wildmanyeah

    wildmanyeah Crew Member

    2016 was a very poor year for lots of fraser chinook so the forecast that will come out in december will probably reflect that.

    First Nations are opposed to a hatchery fishery and reconciliation is big on the agenda for both the NDP and Liberals.

    What our industry needs is certianity. IF your going to impose the same restrictions as this year then tell us now.
  7. Aces

    Aces Well-Known Member

    They got their mandate approval so don't expect any changes
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  8. wildmanyeah

    wildmanyeah Crew Member

    All they need to do is tell people in Toronto that they are saving salmon and they will win the votes they need.

    The free willy loving torontonians will eat that shit up and the CBC loving Liberals will spoon that shit right to them.
  9. bottom feeder

    bottom feeder Active Member

    We - fisherman at the recreational level are in big trouble ! period - hate to admit it but we are at the bottom of the food chain in the salmon world !! may sound crazy but i think we would be better off getting the Bloc Quebecois to help us fight for our rights to fish !! Liberals NDP Greens all on the take .
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2019
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  10. SerengetiGuide

    SerengetiGuide Well-Known Member

    Who knows. Ms Blaney (NDP mp Vancouver island north) told me she will fight the fisheries ministers against blanket closures in areas 12 and 13. Doubt that’ll do much but if NDP can’t do that as a balance of power. Why would anyone waste their vote on them?
  11. wildmanyeah

    wildmanyeah Crew Member

    IS blaney on the fisheries committee and if not how come??
  12. wildmanyeah

    wildmanyeah Crew Member

    It will be interesting to see how they decide to break down the fisheries committee as i dont believe the liberals will be allowed to have a majority on it. I wonder if the NDP person will be the tie breaker

  13. searun

    searun Well-Known Member

    Lots of wishful thinking. Let's look in the mirror and be honest with ourselves. This is where the nervous laughter starts....

    Past performance is a strong indicator of future performance. The Libs clearly demonstrated their approach to managing the rec fishery, and laid down most of their cards in the run up to this election. We can expect an exact repeat of 2019 and worse.

    Here's my "worry" list:

    1. The MPA process is already in play, and now that we have a new mandate that says they will increase MPA's from 10% target to 25% target, we should not need a road-map to know where that is going....the best marine habitat where we fish is close to 100% of the areas that will now appeal to those who are eying up the new 25% MPA target.

    2. Chinook non-retention - likely here to stay. Our only hope is perhaps convincing the Libs and FN's that movement to MSF is a wise science-based choice.

    3. Area closures for SRKW - even though they are not effective - here to stay.

    4. Reconciliation appears to mean closing down recreational opportunity to ensure FSC needs are met- whatever those are. The Department appears aligned based on the Minister's mandate letter to DFO outlining their role in reconciliation to make that a reality.

    5. As for the NDP bailing us out...don't count on them. Nice folks, but the Turd knows full well the NDP aren't bringing down this government until they can leverage this balance of power to get their top 6 issues addressed. The Public Fishery clearly isn't one of them.

    6. The outlook for Interior Fraser Chinook or rather Stream Type Chinook is they are on their way towards extirpation for reasons well beyond our ability to help recover them.... a) Big Bar slide blocking passage; b) Climate related poor stream survival (these Stream-Types spend 1 to 2 years in fresh water - highly susceptible to climate impacts); c) spend their ocean lives way off shore in the warm blob which is severely impacting marine survival. DFO and others will try to save this stock by imposing fishing closures for the next decade until it becomes obvious nature bats last, and we really can't do much to address the real reasons this stock of concern is faltering. Area closures, non-retention, lower catch limits....you know the protectionist drill.

    Is there hope?

    Yes, here's my "solution" list (not exhaustive - please add to the list):

    1) Helping FN's derive more economic benefit from being involved in the Public Fishery - increase the value proposition the Public Fishery brings to their communities

    2) Working with FN's and Politicians to help build understanding and support that MSF fisheries are a viable management tool that protects wild stocks

    3) Demonstrating to government, FN's and Community leaders that investments into creating Salmon abundance will generate significant ROI to boost our economies

    4) Convincing politicians that Western Alienation is a major political risk - and killing the Public Fishery will cost them dearly

    5) Convincing government and ENGO's that spatial closed areas to protect SRKW are scientifically unfounded and ineffective tools - especially when the whales are not actually there very often....a mobile spatial sanctuary that is strictly enforces is a far better way.
  14. searun

    searun Well-Known Member

    She wasn't before....Gord Johns is likely the person who would be assigned....he did it previously...and did a good job.
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  15. dmurph

    dmurph Well-Known Member

    Sure would be nice to get the discussion and bargaining going and over with as soon as possible, the worst part about last season was the manner that it took place, completely surprisingly and last minute.
  16. Aces

    Aces Well-Known Member

    The fat lady is warming up her vocal chords
  17. cohochinook

    cohochinook Well-Known Member

    Don't hold your breath with the Liberals in charge. In an interview with the Squamish Chief Wilkinson said the following about increased marking of hatchery chinook "One of the issues is it does increase, almost certainly, recreational fisheries, which means you would have more mortality among the stocks of concern. We would have to think about that. That would create some issues for some First Nations who aren't big fans of the hatchery fishery anyway, because of the mortality and they have a constitutional priority."

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