Are you ready for another Liberal term?! Will we fish in 2020...

Discussion in 'Conservation, Fishery Politics and Management.' started by StormTrooper, Aug 11, 2019.

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  1. agentaqua

    agentaqua Well-Known Member

  2. searun

    searun Well-Known Member

    This is why we need to have all stakeholders sitting at a Round Table process to hold one another accountable for making wise sustainable and controlled harvest decisions as opposed to a free for all fishery. Also having credible harvest numbers helps end wild speculation of catch numbers and builds trust between the stakeholders.
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  3. wildmanyeah

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  4. agentaqua

    agentaqua Well-Known Member

    Sounds like the Greens are vying to be the "all season" tire of the election verses the summer tire they have been.
  5. IronNoggin

    IronNoggin Well-Known Member

    This Fool's Arrogance knows no bounds! [​IMG]

  6. fish4all

    fish4all Well-Known Member

    This is what I was up to this morning.
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  7. ILHG

    ILHG Crew Member

    This is what I just had made & will put on my garage door. It arrives on the 18th & I cant wait to get it set up. !! Election 2019.jpg
  8. agentaqua

    agentaqua Well-Known Member

  9. SpringVelocity

    SpringVelocity Well-Known Member

    LOLOL Darth Vader
  10. dradons

    dradons Active Member

    Is the spelling mistake intended?
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  11. SerengetiGuide

    SerengetiGuide Well-Known Member

    Also volunteering for her (grew up playing hockey with her son) and John hirst in Nanaimo. If time hope to door knock in North Vancouver too
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  12. agentaqua

    agentaqua Well-Known Member

  13. StormTrooper

    StormTrooper Well-Known Member

  14. GLG

    GLG Well-Known Member

    The short answer is "a lot of baloney" and given the source why would that surprise anyone.

    Baloney Meter: Is the RCMP investigating people in the PMO over SNC-Lavalin?

    OTTAWA — "Clearly the RCMP are taking this seriously enough to start investigating individuals in the Prime Minister's Office."

    — Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer on the SNC-Lavalin scandal, Sept. 11 in Ottawa

    Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer was eager to talk about the latest development in the ongoing saga of SNC-Lavalin as he prepared to board his campaign plane Wednesday, an issue that threatens to haunt Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau ahead of the Oct. 21 election.

    The Globe and Mail published a story late the night before the election was called, saying the RCMP has been looking into potential obstruction of justice in the SNC-Lavalin affair, and that the federal police force was not granted access to any more materials than ethics commissioner Mario Dion had received as he conducted his own examination.

    Dion's report, released last month, concluded Trudeau had contravened the Conflict of Interest Act when he tried to pressure former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould into intervening to head off criminal proceedings on corruption charges against the Montreal engineering giant.

    "Clearly the RCMP are taking this seriously enough to start investigating individuals in the Prime Minister's Office," Scheer said Wednesday.

    Is the RCMP really investigating people in the PMO? During an election campaign?

    The RCMP has never said it is investigating the Liberal government — or, as Scheer claimed, people in the PMO — in relation to the SNC-Lavalin affair.

    The most the national police force said, when everyone was looking for a reaction to the report from the ethics commissioner, was that it was "examining this matter carefully with all available information" and would follow up if need be.

    Now that an election campaign is officially underway, the RCMP is saying even less.

    "Unfortunately, we are not in a position to confirm anything in that regard at this time," said Stephanie Dumoulin, a spokeswoman for the RCMP National Division, which deals with cases that are considered sensitive for political and other reasons.

    The Liberal campaign flatly denied anyone in the PMO has been called up by the RCMP.

    "No member of staff has been contacted and no materials have been requested," Joe Pickerill, a Liberal campaign spokesman, said in an email when asked to respond to the statement by Scheer. The response applies to both current and former staffers, he elaborated.

    Later on Wednesday, the Liberal campaign added the RCMP has not contacted Trudeau, Finance Minister Bill Morneau or Justice Minister David Lametti, who succeeded Wilson-Raybould in a January cabinet shuffle.

    Trudeau has defended himself by insisting he was acting in the best interests of Canadians.

    The Conservative campaign, meanwhile, said Scheer was basing his statement on the information in the story.

    "The story refers to 'investigators,' " said spokesman Simon Jefferies.

    "Investigators investigate things," he said in an email. "The Trudeau Liberals are playing ridiculous word games."

    One of the problems is that "investigation" can mean different things to different people — even the police.

    Natalie Wright, spokeswoman for the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, said there is no one standard across the country.

    "Once the police receive an inquiry or a complaint, there may be a number of levels before it becomes an official investigation," said Wright.

    Chris Mathers, a former RCMP officer who is now a security consultant, said the police could be gathering evidence and reviewing public information before their work reaches the level of an official investigation, which he acknowledged can be a nebulous term.

    "It's all semantics, really, but until the cops show up at your door, who knows what the hell is going on?" he said.

    Semantics aside, there is no evidence to date the RCMP has begun investigating individuals in the PMO, which is what Scheer said was happening.

    The only person to have gone on the record about having been contacted by the RCMP over how the Liberals handled SNC-Lavalin is Wilson-Raybould. She confirmed the RCMP contacted her about the issue in the spring.

    Wilson-Raybould told the Globe and Mail Wednesday she had been interviewed by RCMP officers earlier this week and has had other telephone conversations with the police since Dion's report came out.

    The timing of the spring contact with the RCMP also suggests no official investigation was underway.

    The Conflict of Interest Act requires the federal ethics commissioner to immediately suspend his own examination if he learns the police have launched an investigation into the same issue, or if related charges have been laid.

    The ethics commissioner must allow that process to run its course before he can resume his own probe.

    That never happened, as Dion began his investigation the day after the Globe and Mail published its first story on the allegations and kept going until he published his report six months later.

    It is clear that Scheer is trying to suggest that where there is smoke, there is fire.

    Still, that does not mean it was accurate for him to say what he did with such certainty.

    For those reasons, Scheer's assertion that the RCMP has started investigating people in the PMO contains "a lot of baloney" — it is mostly inaccurate, but contains an element of truth.

    To be neutral between right and wrong is to serve wrong.
  15. IronNoggin

    IronNoggin Well-Known Member

    LILLEY: RCMP were blocked from fully investigating Trudeau's office on SNC obstruction claims

    We now have it confirmed: The RCMP have been investigating the possibility that someone in the Trudeau government obstructed justice in the SNC-Lavalin case.
    The news was revealed in a bombshell report by the Globe and Mail issued less than 12 hours before Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was to visit Rideau Hall and kick off the 2019 election.
    This isn’t a matter of speculation or partisan spin. This isn’t something that Liberal supporters can dismiss as people inventing a scandal where there is none. We know the RCMP have been looking into the matter because they have been interviewing people involved in the case and seeking documents.
    And the government has blocked them from doing so.
    That is the shocking part.
    The Clerk of the Privy Council has determined that cabinet confidence is more important than a police investigation into obstruction of justice in a case involving corruption. Ian Shugart, the clerk, invoked cabinet confidence to block the Mounties from talking to people.
    That was confirmed to the Globe not only by a spokesman for the justice department but also a spokesman for Trudeau himself.

    Ian MacLeod, the spokesman for justice, told the Globe the decision not to give a broader waiver for cabinet confidence “was made solely by the Clerk of the Privy Council as guardian of cabinet confidences.” Trudeau’s spokesman, Cameron Ahmad, told the paper that the PMO had no role in the decision.
    Except they did, they backed it up.
    Here is a simple fact, the PM could waive this issue of cabinet confidence and allow people to speak freely to the police if he is so convinced that no crime has been committed.
    He won’t though.
    Trudeau supported blocking nine different witnesses from giving full testimony to the ethics commissioner and the refusal to turn over documents for that investigation. He’s now backed up the decision to block the RCMP
  16. dradons

    dradons Active Member

    The whole SNC Lavalin issue is such a waste of time. I wish we could be critical of the rest of the stuff he has done.

    Let's be realistic, I think whoever was governing would have likely have caved to SNC. There are way more important things we should be hard on the Liberals for.
  17. IronNoggin

    IronNoggin Well-Known Member

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  18. ILHG

    ILHG Crew Member

    Happy to see the Globe & Mail is pursuing this story. I hope they keep the pressure on.
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  19. agentaqua

    agentaqua Well-Known Member

    I agree that there is likely much more than just SNC Lavalin to call the current Liberal PM & his office & cabinet on - prob that we will never find out about - like it was for Harper and unfortunately most PMs.

    But... SNC Lavalin is still important. We can track that one. It does demonstrates a pattern of corruption, collusion, intimidation, illegalities and cover-up. Not endearing qualities in an open democracy - but necessary for a dictatorship - which seems to happen far too often.

    Accountability & transparency is the fuel for democracy and the antimatter to dictatorship.

    So.. how do we get there from here?
  20. dradons

    dradons Active Member

    I'll put it this way, if it was Harper I think the issue would have been dealt with and we would not have had a public spat with cabinet members. I think the end result would have been the same. Both would be wrong, just different methods.
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